ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 7

[Dushi]

The vast majority of the information being put out to the public is either rumor or someones interpretation as can be seen from not only this case but the Natalee Holloway case as well.
Most of the media outlets are feeding the frenzy with hyped up story telling to an audience that wants him to be guilty just as with the Casey Anthony case and the Natalee Holloway case as well.
The result of this disinformation, although spicy, certainly does not lend itself to finding out what happened.
Just like the Natalee Holloway case, this case is following a similiar pattern with the 2 sides feeding half truths and rumor turned into fact, the result being that the actual victim gets lost in the process.
In the Natalee Holloway case this is exactly what transpired and by the time the facts were seperated from the fiction, far too much time had elapsed and any chance of finding the victim had been lost.

A great part of the problem is MSM reporting things inaccurately.. a source close to the investigation...
Once things are reported, they are rarely retracted

In this case, with Robyn Gardner, so little information has come out, so all there really is , is speculation

Everyone reads the situation differently
There are very few facts to work with, hard to keep them straight and not let them get distorted

 

[TheWNP]

And i am still looking for a link about GGs computer being wiped clean.
If anyone has one, i would appreciate reading it

I was curious about this as well, but the only information I've seen is at:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500188_162-57331486/aruba-orders-release-of-gary-giordano/
where criminologist Casey Jordan states:

"They want more time to analyze his computer to see if there is any record, any journaling, anything that could directly link him to a homicide plot, and it doesn't look like they are going to get it, because they know he is text-savvy and think he has wiped out his hard drive, but if they could get some direct evidence they would charge him or extradite him back to face charges in the future."

However, does "his hard drive" refer to his computer at home or some equipment he had with him in Aruba (or perhaps RG's as well)? In any event, wiping the hard drive (which could possibly be reconstructed, but is an extremely tedious to do) is a drastic thing for anyone to do and is telling of his level of desperation. Of course, if this was equipment that was in Aruba at the time, GG would probably say that there was other information on there he wanted to keep private in case he was indeed arrested. If it also occurred on his equipment in Gaithersburg, which he might have been able to initiate via some remote control software, then I think there's definitely incriminating material that he's tried to obliterate. Hopefully, we'll find out in the future, but I wouldn't suspect that the FBI will divulge this any time soon.

Also quoted by Casey Jordan: "He is in financial shambles.", yet JB was trying to make the case on Geraldo at Large (12/4) that GG was financially well off, that they were prepared to submit "forensic financial" evidence to Aruban officials, and that $1.5 million wasn't a real financial motivation (Yeah, right!).

Another aspect that GG has stated several times is that he had touched RG's foot to signal her to return to the beach, which might also be a freudian slip. Back in August, Criminal Profiler Pat Brown had posted this Youtube video stating how easy it is to drown someone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HXpufmuU3M&feature=player_embedded simply by grabbing their foot and keeping it raised. However, I do agree with Pat Brown's supposition, that she wasn't drowned in a snorkeling incident.

 

[LambChop]

The vast majority of the information being put out to the public is either rumor or someones interpretation as can be seen from not only this case but the Natalee Holloway case as well.
Most of the media outlets are feeding the frenzy with hyped up story telling to an audience that wants him to be guilty just as with the Casey Anthony case and the Natalee Holloway case as well.
The result of this disinformation, although spicy, certainly does not lend itself to finding out what happened.
Just like the Natalee Holloway case, this case is following a similiar pattern with the 2 sides feeding half truths and rumor turned into fact, the result being that the actual victim gets lost in the process.
In the Natalee Holloway case this is exactly what transpired and by the time the facts were seperated from the fiction, far too much time had elapsed and any chance of finding the victim had been lost.

The only facts in NH case that differs from this one is that we don't know what happened to NH. GG has given us a clear picture of his version of what happened but it does not follow the facts of what we do know.

We know that at 6pm at night you can't see the bottom in 10 feet of water much less 15.

We know that the area is covered with rocks jetting up from the bottom making it nearly impossible to walk without having sneakers on to protect your feet. The deeper you go into the water at high noon the harder it is to see the water much less at 6pm at night.

We know he has lied giving different accounts of what happened. Changing his story, even so slightly, sends up the hinky meter.

We know he claims the ticket agent told him that the Charlotte Airport was closed down because of a storm north of the island. Charlotte is in North Carolina and they don't shut down their airport because Aruba may have a storm to their immediate north. Charlotte is about 3 hours flying time away???? Yet he said that in his latest interview he wanted to explain how there was a confusion about him talking about the storm. Then again he said he heard about a storm out at sea on the Aruban TV the next day in his latest interview with JM on ABC.

These are not just little mistruths or a misunderstanding on his part they make no sense. Don't we owe it to Robyn to find out the truth even if it means grilling the man. I mean he is the one who is publicly making his statements, no one is twisting his arm. Once again the truth is always easier to remember and does not change everytime you retell your story. jmo

 

[Dushi]

There have been many "Hmmmm" moments for me

But a big one was just a few days ago when gary brought up the human trafficking
And I also read something about him saying there was a boat out there

Up until then, his story AFAIK was all about a snorkelling accident
It just seems like he is trying to cover all bases
her body never was found so therefor, she must have been taken

 

[JeannaT]

The only facts in NH case that differs from this one is that we don't know what happened to NH. GG has given us a clear picture of his version of what happened but it does not follow the facts of what we do know.

We know that at 6pm at night you can't see the bottom in 10 feet of water much less 15.

We know that the area is covered with rocks jetting up from the bottom making it nearly impossible to walk without having sneakers on to protect your feet. The deeper you go into the water at high noon the harder it is to see the water much less at 6pm at night.

We know he has lied giving different accounts of what happened. Changing his story, even so slightly, sends up the hinky meter.

We know he claims the ticket agent told him that the Charlotte Airport was closed down because of a storm north of the island. Charlotte is in North Carolina and they don't shut down their airport because Aruba may have a storm to their immediate north. Charlotte is about 3 hours flying time away???? Yet he said that in his latest interview he wanted to explain how there was a confusion about him talking about the storm. Then again he said he heard about a storm out at sea on the Aruban TV the next day in his latest interview with JM on ABC.

These are not just little mistruths or a misunderstanding on his part they make no sense. Don't we owe it to Robyn to find out the truth even if it means grilling the man. I mean he is the one who is publicly making his statements, no one is twisting his arm. Once again the truth is always easier to remember and does not change everytime you retell your story. jmo

He was snorkeling at 4:15, not 6 p.m.

 

[concentric]

Um, just a question: When did Baez become GG's attorney in the U.S.? I thought he was in a "consultant" capacity.

 

[Dushi]

Um, just a question: When did Baez become GG's attorney in the U.S.? I thought he was in a "consultant" capacity.

Baez will NOT be the lead attorney in the case -- but will consult with Giordano's trial team regarding the forensic evidence in the case.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/09/13/casey...murder-suspect-robyn-gardner/#comments-anchor

Good question

Perhaps he was consultant in the case in Aruba as he could not practise law there
That must have changed when GG was freed

 

[LambChop]

He was snorkeling at 4:15, not 6 p.m.

They were seen on the beach at 4:20 by the fishman and stayed about 20 minutes....that would make it 4:40 and left by car. GG claims they were snorkeling at 6pm. He showed by at the bar a little after 6:15 looking for help. He claims to have swam to shore around 6pm. They left the restaurant at 4:15 and were not dressed for snorkeling at the time. GG give no explanation as to the 4:15 to 6pm timeframe we only have information from others who noticed them leaving and that the car was back by 6pm. jmo

 

[Dushi]

He was snorkeling at 4:15, not 6 p.m.

Actually , we only have his word on that

Snipped from Niners timeline...

4:13pm - Robyn is last seen (leaving restaurant). A man who works near Baby Beach reported seeing their vehicle park up by the rocks close to the water, wondered why they chose there to go snorkeling. A fisherman comes forward and says that GG and RG never went into the water. Gardner was last seen alive Aug. 2 at the Rum Reef Bar & Grill in the Baby Beach area of Aruba with Gary Giordano - approximately 4pm. Giordano, 50, and Gardner, 35, had traveled to Aruba together. He is being held in an Arubian jail but could be released today. Giordano claims that Gardner got swept out to sea when the two went snorkeling

approx. 4:22pm - Approximately 10 minutes after leaving restaurant a fisherman reportedly saw Giordano and Gardner leaving a beach together, and said they did not get into the water.

 

[concentric]

Baez will NOT be the lead attorney in the case -- but will consult with Giordano's trial team regarding the forensic evidence in the case.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/09/13/casey...murder-suspect-robyn-gardner/#comments-anchor

Good question

Perhaps he was consultant in the case in Aruba as he could not practise law there
That must have changed when GG was freed

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Well, since the Geraldo appearance, I expect to hear at any moment the announcement that Jose Baez is officially GG's attorney.

 

[LambChop]

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Well, since the Geraldo appearance, I expect to hear at any moment the announcement that Jose Baez is officially GG's attorney.

If charges were brought they would be either in Federal Court or the State of Maryland. JB is not licensed to practice in any other state but Florida. jmo

 

[katydid23]

So who is paying for GG's leagal cost, I should think that people like his lawyers do not come cheap, or do charity work, is this the reason for his 'exclusive' interviews?.

Robyn is paying for it, with her life. He plans to give his attorney ia big fat cut of her life insurance policy.

 

[katydid23]

The vast majority of the information being put out to the public is either rumor or someones interpretation as can be seen from not only this case but the Natalee Holloway case as well.
Most of the media outlets are feeding the frenzy with hyped up story telling to an audience that wants him to be guilty just as with the Casey Anthony case and the Natalee Holloway case as well.
The result of this disinformation, although spicy, certainly does not lend itself to finding out what happened.
Just like the Natalee Holloway case, this case is following a similiar pattern with the 2 sides feeding half truths and rumor turned into fact, the result being that the actual victim gets lost in the process.
In the Natalee Holloway case this is exactly what transpired and by the time the facts were seperated from the fiction, far too much time had elapsed and any chance of finding the victim had been lost.

I disagree. There have been a tremendous amount of FACTS that have released to the public. And these facts make GG look guilty. It is not a matter of 'wanting' him to be guilty. It is his own lies which are pointing the way.
The only reason this has anything to do with the Holloway case is because GG himself was somewhat obsessed with that case. He spoke about it often, and even promised some of the women that he invited to Aruba that he would 'never ever let anything like that happen to them.'

The reason there was 'fiction' surrounding the Holloway case was because Joran was lying, much like GG and his attorney Baez are lying now.

 

[katydid23]

Yeah, watch how everyone hangs on his every word and movement.
The people that despise him are the very people that continue to full his coffers fulls of the bucks, big bucks.
So the more people knock him, the more famous and richer he gets.

Besides the fact that he absolutely destroyed Burdick and Ashton.

I despise him, yet I am not filling his coffers with big bucks. Not at all.

As for being 'rich and famous'--BFD. I thought he was supposed to be an attorney. Since when does being rich and famous trump being a good defense attorney? What a pathetic little man he is.

 

[Dushi]

I disagree. There have been a tremendous amount of FACTS that have released to the public. And these facts make GG look guilty. It is not a matter of 'wanting' him to be guilty. It is his own lies which are pointing the way.
The only reason this has anything to do with the Holloway case is because GG himself was somewhat obsessed with that case. He spoke about it often, and even promised some of the women that he invited to Aruba that he would 'never ever let anything like that happen to them.'

The reason there was 'fiction' surrounding the Holloway case was because Joran was lying, much like GG and his attorney Baez are lying now.

I really don't think a tremendous amount of facts have been released.
What we have heard weighs heavily in favour of his guilt

Having listened to one of his interviews, I have a couple of questions..

One of the facts that has been released is that he called Amex immediately to find out about the policy
Makes him look quite guilty.
However, Gary says that was on the advice of his lawyer and went to the costs of the investigation
I don't know if that is true or not, but, if it is, it changes that piece of information for me.

The insurance policy, well I don't know if he is being honest about the online forms or not, but he made a good case

I don't think he will ever see a penny anyway

 

[Dushi]

I despise him, yet I am not filling his coffers with big bucks. Not at all.

As for being 'rich and famous'--BFD. I thought he was supposed to be an attorney. Since when does being rich and famous trump being a good defense attorney? What a pathetic little man he is.

As far as JB goes, I am one of the very few people here who did not follow the CA case so I am quite unfamiliar with Jose Baez :crazy:

But like it or not, isn't that what defence attorneys do?
Get their clients off?

I don't know how big a role he will be able to play in Garys case , as Lambchop pointed out, he is not licensed in Maryland

 

[katydid23]

I really don't think a tremendous amount of facts have been released.
What we have heard weighs heavily in favour of his guilt

Having listened to one of his interviews, I have a couple of questions..

One of the facts that has been released is that he called Amex immediately to find out about the policy
Makes him look quite guilty.
However, Gary says that was on the advice of his lawyer and went to the costs of the investigation
I don't know if that is true or not, but, if it is, it changes that piece of information for me.

The insurance policy, well I don't know if he is being honest about the online forms or not, but he made a good case

I don't think he will ever see a penny anyway

There are a lot of videos that have been released. Seeing her all dressed up with her hair and make up done, wearing a long floral dress, drinking vodka all afternoon, all of that leads me to disbelieve his story that she went snorkeling willingly.

There are a lot of interviews with him where he goes into great detail. I count those as facts as he knows them or believes them or wants us to believe.

There is the video that shows him immediately after the incident. I was a lifeguard in high school. I know what someone looks like when they are missing someone in the water. They wave and scream and are very excited.
He on the other hand, was walking leisurely, and making no noises, not yelling for any help/ His excuse was weak. " There was no one there." Well then why was he knocking on the doors? He could have yelled HELP from the beach and gotten some help most likley.

 

[LolliPop]

I disagree. There have been a tremendous amount of FACTS that have released to the public. And these facts make GG look guilty. It is not a matter of 'wanting' him to be guilty. It is his own lies which are pointing the way.
The only reason this has anything to do with the Holloway case is because GG himself was somewhat obsessed with that case. He spoke about it often, and even promised some of the women that he invited to Aruba that he would 'never ever let anything like that happen to them.'

The reason there was 'fiction' surrounding the Holloway case was because Joran was lying, much like GG and his attorney Baez are lying now.

It was not just Joran that was lying.

 

[LolliPop]

I despise him, yet I am not filling his coffers with big bucks. Not at all.

As for being 'rich and famous'--BFD. I thought he was supposed to be an attorney. Since when does being rich and famous trump being a good defense attorney? What a pathetic little man he is.

The pathetic little man beat the living daylights out of the prosecution.
So much for being pathetic.

 

[katydid23]

As far as JB goes, I am one of the very few people here who did not follow the CA case so I am quite unfamiliar with Jose Baez :crazy:

But like it or not, isn't that what defence attorneys do?
Get their clients off?

I don't know how big a role he will be able to play in Garys case , as Lambchop pointed out, he is not licensed in Maryland

They do not all lie about innocent people, accusing them of incest and child abuse , in order to set their guilty client free.

My father, God rest his soul, was a wonderful defense attorney. He was quite successful and quite well respected, even by prosecutors. Reason being, he had integrity and was honest and forthright. So Baez, in comparison, makes me sick.

In GG's case, Baez is acting more like a PR guy.He sits next to him on the media blitz, and tries to steer him clear of his own mistakes. Too late for that, imo.