ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 7

[vlpate]

The vast majority of the information being put out to the public is either rumor or someones interpretation as can be seen from not only this case but the Natalee Holloway case as well.

What are the rumors in this case that have been perpetuated by the main stream media? What are the rumors that were perpetuated in the NH case?

Most of the media outlets are feeding the frenzy with hyped up story telling to an audience that wants him to be guilty just as with the Casey Anthony case and the Natalee Holloway case as well.

Casey Anthony was found not guilty, she was not found innocent. Besides, she is the most hated person on earth for a reason which had nothing to do with what the media perpetuated, there was plenty of evidence that showed she is a psychopath and it is just a matter of time, just like with Joran, before she hurts someone else who gets in her way or figures her out in a personal relationship (which for Casey is a one night stand).

The result of this disinformation, although spicy, certainly does not lend itself to finding out what happened.
Just like the Natalee Holloway case, this case is following a similiar pattern with the 2 sides feeding half truths and rumor turned into fact, the result being that the actual victim gets lost in the process.

Robyn has been lost because GG lost or killed her - the media had nothing to do with it. Please, what half truths and rumor have we been fed by the main stream media?

In the Natalee Holloway case this is exactly what transpired and by the time the facts were seperated from the fiction, far too much time had elapsed and any chance of finding the victim had been lost.

Natalie Holloway's mother has never given up on finding her daughter - she has done her dead level best to find her and bring Joran to justice. Robyn's mother flew to Aruba immediately. These two mothers love their daughters and they will never stop trying to find them. It's when the mother doesn't look for her child, or knowing where she is, hides that fact from authorities, that makes it too late in a case. Take poor little Caylee - rotting limb by limb in that swamp while her mother laid up in bed with her latest, misguided, con game. At least these two women, Natalee and Robyn, can rest in peace knowing their mothers love them and are looking for them.

 

[LolliPop]

It tells me that they do not have enough evidence to press murder charges
I feel they struggled to find evidence, but they couldn't
They do feel strongly that GG is involved in more than a snorkel accident, thats apparent.

I have waffled back and forth on his guilt/innocence since the first week

But when I look at some of the known facts, I can't settle with this being an accidental drowning

Exactly!
They do not have the evidence and Yes, they have struggled to find that evidence.
How people feel is not relevant, evidence is required to convict someone of murder.
If there is evidence, it needs to be presented and a judgement taken, if he is guilty, then so be it.

 

[Dushi]

You know, msm did pick up some of the NE articles and report them
So, yes rumors were reported, IMO

 

[Dushi]

Exactly!
They do not have the evidence and Yes, they have struggled to find that evidence.
How people feel is not relevant, evidence is required to convict someone of murder.
If there is evidence, it needs to be presented and a judgement taken, if he is guilty, then so be it.

I agree

 

[vlpate]

That the body was well hidden.

As we know, the body can still be found - but if he's fortunate, as Casey was, there will be nothing left of her but bones the animals drug around and weeds growing through the eye sockets of her skeleton.

 

[LambChop]

Jose Baez will feature very prominantly in the defense of the released man and taking into account Jose Baez's tenacity, and the fact that there is no evidence, the chances are that Mr Baez will secure a non conviction, but it is doubtful it will even go to court based on the hearsay evidence thus presented.
The only evidence that has been forthcoming is dominated by talking heads giving their take on the case.

And you know this how. Not sure how he will "save the day" when he is only licensed in the State of Florida as of this date.

If GG keeps talking he will seal his own fate, if he hasn't already. And it will all be on his own head. jmo

 

[beach]

Mod Note:

The baiting & back and forth bickering will stop NOW.

I do not care if you are a new poster or a seasoned one.


I just removed several posts. I am at work and don't have time for the playground mentality. If you don't have anything substantive to offer, you don't NEED to say it.

 

[vlpate]

You know, msm did pick up some of the NE articles and report them
So, yes rumors were reported, IMO

Like what?

 

[Dushi]

Like what?

The dog grave story was picked up by Fox
I can find the link later for you

 

[LambChop]

With all their information, they have failed to get a conviction, what does that tell us?

He was never charged so how is it they failed to get a conviction. Their case is still open and will continue to be until they get more information or they hit a dead end. In the meantime it will stay open.

We really can't judge what the Aruban legal system has for evidence because not even JB knows because that information, in Aruba, is never shared with the defendant's attorney. So in reality JB has no information to make that statement that there is zero evidence. What he should be saying is zero evidence was disclosed to him personally. jmo

 

[LambChop]

There are almost two hours unaccounted for if you believe the witnesss
I simply can't figure out any reason for the fisherman to lie

So, if I believe the witness, I can't believe Gary
he says they were swimming while fisherman saw them leave the beach

At no time has he addressed this, he has never said they left and came back (as far as I can remember)

You know I've been going to Aruba for many years and one of the things that impresses me everytime I go is how happy MOST of the people are. Arubans are all employed if they wish to be. Some sit in shops and do nothing all day but sit there because the foreign merchants have to employ an Aruban. They have the best weather in the world, they have some of the best beaches, finest restaurants, the "bestest" fish in the world, I mean really fresh and great entertainment. Although I would not want to live there full time I do admire the Arubans for having it all.

I do not feel the fishman lied either. He had no reason. He was just there fishing as many Arubans do (and he may not have been an Aruban but a foreign national who was brought in to work there with no allegiance to the government whatsoever.) We just don't know that. We actually don't know much since nothing is coming from the government itself. But I bet the FBI knows. I bet they have it all down to the last detail.

What Aruba can not do because of their laws the US has no problems with. We will have to wait to see what happens. If it is true GG's computer was wiped clean he is hiding something. jmo

 

[LambChop]

When we listen to GG on the various media outlet talk shows the fabric of his story is too loosely woven and it appears to be unraveling. Is he scheduled for any more appearances or has reality set in??? jmo

 

[katydid23]

When we listen to GG on the various media outlet talk shows the fabric of his story is too loosely woven and it appears to be unraveling. Is he scheduled for any more appearances or has reality set in??? jmo

I don't think he is going to be on anymore for awhile. They went on Geraldo and I think they were expecting an easier ride. But Geraldo asked some tough questions and basically implied he thought GG was lying about some things. I think Baez was angry about that. He was also obviously angry about the boyfriend being there to debate them, as he threatened him legally. So I think the appearances are done for now. If they could not have an easy time on Gerlado,where would they?

 

[otto]

Was just looking for pictures of the shore at Nanki Beach and came across this: GG on the beach after reporting Robyn missing. His hair looks like he was swimming or doing something to mess up his toupee style.

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/5784/3f72dc50ada88fa607112f0.jpg

Thanks for HatesSociopaths for the image - posted here ages ago.

Here is a link to pictures of the beach. The rocks appear rounded, not sharp and jagged, as one would expect from rocks exposed to salt water waves.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/34973-pareha-turista-a-bai-dive-y-e-dama-no-a-bolbe.html

 

[LolliPop]

I don't think he is going to be on anymore for awhile. They went on Geraldo and I think they were expecting an easier ride. But Geraldo asked some tough questions and basically implied he thought GG was lying about some things. I think Baez was angry about that. He was also obviously angry about the boyfriend being there to debate them, as he threatened him legally. So I think the appearances are done for now. If they could not have an easy time on Gerlado,where would they?

Jose Baez will have more appearances, the public demands it and he is not one to disappoint.
Besides he is paid handsomely by these talking heads despite what they say.

 

[katydid23]

Was just looking for pictures of the shore at Nanki Beach and came across this: GG on the beach after reporting Robyn missing. His hair looks like he was swimming or doing something to mess up his toupee style.

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/5784/3f72dc50ada88fa607112f0.jpg

Thanks for HatesSociopaths for the image - posted here ages ago.

Here is a link to pictures of the beach. The rocks appear rounded, not sharp and jagged, as one would expect from rocks exposed to salt water waves.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/34973-pareha-turista-a-bai-dive-y-e-dama-no-a-bolbe.html

Is he smiling?

 

[LolliPop]

He was never charged so how is it they failed to get a conviction. Their case is still open and will continue to be until they get more information or they hit a dead end. In the meantime it will stay open.

We really can't judge what the Aruban legal system has for evidence because not even JB knows because that information, in Aruba, is never shared with the defendant's attorney. So in reality JB has no information to make that statement that there is zero evidence. What he should be saying is zero evidence was disclosed to him personally. jmo

Yes, he was never charged in the first place, which means even less evidence of a crime.

If there was evidence, he would have been charged.
I do believe that a Judge has ruled twice in this regard.

 

[LambChop]

Was just looking for pictures of the shore at Nanki Beach and came across this: GG on the beach after reporting Robyn missing. His hair looks like he was swimming or doing something to mess up his toupee style.

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/5784/3f72dc50ada88fa607112f0.jpg

Thanks for HatesSociopaths for the image - posted here ages ago.

Here is a link to pictures of the beach. The rocks appear rounded, not sharp and jagged, as one would expect from rocks exposed to salt water waves.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/34973-pareha-turista-a-bai-dive-y-e-dama-no-a-bolbe.html

As soon as the sun goes down in the evening in Aruba the wind kicks up. If you look at the woman's hair it appears it is being blown about a little. Very common in the tropics. During the day the wind comes off the water. After sunset the wind changes to off the land. Within a hour or so the wind dies down. So if his hair looks disturbed that could be why. Also I noticed in the video of him walking along the beach with the woman investigator that he was running his hand over his hair....almost as if his head was itchy.

It's the video at 6:15 that he looks like he has not been in the water that is important. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Is he smiling?

IMO, No

 

[LolliPop]

Is he smiling?

The man with the torch does appear to be smiling.