ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 7

[Dushi]

about being pro Robyn etc etc.

I can't believe anyone would not feel deeply for someone that is missing and her family
But IMO, what often happens is that we become so passionate about our views that we fail to see the other side.

In this case its even easier to do because GG is in my opinion a very unlikeable guy
So we read and post and sometimes we fail to see the truth because it doesn't suit our opinions
I think that some posters are simply trying to see both sides of the story, keeping an open mind.
I don't feel it wrong to debate both sides
We don't all have to agree but at least we should listen....

 

[LambChop]

Lambchop, I am pro-victim. I am pro-Robyn....I believe she is the only victim in this case. That is why I am here in a victim-friendly site. I am unclear why anyone would question whether we are pro-victim....would we be pro-perp? Nah, not logical. I agree with you!

I understand what you are talking about in terms of pro-victim. I just feel it is redundant. We don't often refer to mass serial killers as victims when police kill them in a shoot out so that was the point I was trying to make. Also we are here for the victim to lend support in any way we can so from that perspective, yes. But no one gets banned on WS's anyway because they present a different view of how they see the facts. We are supposed to be interested in getting to the truth, not picking sides as to who is right to support who. And there are times when some very important information surfaces from all sides of the coin here. So it is all helpful.

And this is my personal opinion only. I feel offended when someone says you're pro-victim as if it were some kind of contest. A victum is defined as someone who has suffered a loss. When it is a life whether it's loss of personal freedom or death by no fault of their own to be called "pro" for supporting them when the opposite would be someone who felt they deserved their fate and therefore they are not a victim just seems a little off to me. Maybe it's just me. No one should ever have to say they are pro-victim because the alternative is too offensive. That was all I was trying to say. Victims are called victims because they did not deserve what happened to them and of course we should support them. It's human nature to do so.

Thanks for your input because I do see your point. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Somehow your post comes across, to me anyway, that if someone goes missing they somehow deserve it and if someone is pro-victum than they are being viewed as not deserving what has happened to them. I could be wrong but that is how I read it.
I think primarily you would get banned not for your beliefs but in the manner in which they are presented. WS is all about finding missing persons and if unfortunately they are found dead we use the sleuthing information we have access to try to find out what happened. If there is a murder we follow the trial. That is all we do. If the majority feel there is a reason to believe a person has created a crime we have the right to express our opinion whatever that is. We should not feel that if our views are different that we are pro or con either way. We are in search of the truth not winning a game. Trials are not about winning games, it's about uncovering the truth and holding the responsible party liable. The only loser is the victum in any case regardless of what their background is.

GG makes it very clear that RG disappeared under the water. She did not swim to shore. It's not a word game, it is a fact. If they were in 10 to 15 foot of water and she went under she survived 5 minutes at the most. There is no other explanation unless you are alluding to a conspiracy between RG and GG to create insurance fraud. That would be the only other explanation that I can think of. Either way....it all falls back on GG doesn't now. jmo

I am sorry but I think thats unfair
Everyone may not agree but we are entitled to our opinions

 

[LambChop]

I don't have the stomach to watch another GG interview. Did he really say they were feeding fish? Where were they doing this? While out snorkeling??

My guess is that story evolved in prison. They throw bread off the snorkeling boats to get the fish to come to the surface. Funny he did not mention that in his original statement. lol

 

[Dushi]

My guess is that story evolved in prison. They throw bread off the snorkeling boats to get the fish to come to the surface. Funny he did not mention that in his original statement. lol

I don't recall ever seeing his original statement, just pieces that have been released

 

[LambChop]

I am sorry but I think thats unfair
Everyone may not agree but we are entitled to our opinions

It's not a matter of being fair or unfair it's just my opinion, Dushi. I'm not understanding in what context it was being used. From what I read it appears it means people are picking sides and we do know that is not what this is all about. If the majority of us felt GG were being truthful I'm sure there would be someone who would say he lying. That is fine but the majority should not be defined as "being on the victims side, i.e. pro" as much as trying to get to the truth of the matter. What is believable based upon facts we know is an educated decision....we are not just picking a side because we are pro anyone. That was the point I was making. I guess it's like Pro (favorable regardless of what the evidence is) versus being objective. Anyway I think our goal here is to be objective.

Yes, we are entitled to our opinions....be they pro or con....lol But I think it's more than just picking sides, I think it's about the information we are able to understand and process. That is what we do here.

Hey, five more months and I'll be on the beach..can't wait. Thanks, Dushi

 

[Dushi]

It's not a matter of being fair or unfair it's just my opinion, Dushi. I'm not understanding in what context it was being used. From what I read it appears it means people are picking sides and we do know that is not what this is all about. If the majority of us felt GG were being truthful I'm sure there would be someone who would say he lying. That is fine but the majority should not be defined as "being on the victims side, i.e. pro" as much as trying to get to the truth of the matter. What is believable based upon facts we know is an educated decision....we are not just picking a side because we are pro anyone. That was the point I was making. I guess it's like Pro (favorable regardless of what the evidence is) versus being objective. Any I think our goal here is to be objective.

Yes, we are entitled to our opinions....be they pro or con....lol But I think it's more than just picking sides, I think it's about the information we are able to understand and process. That is what we do here.

Hey, five more months and I'll be on the beach..can't wait. Thanks, Dushi

Personally, I am on the side of truth
And thats where the problem seems to stem from
Fact and fiction getting mixed up

 

[LambChop]

I don't recall ever seeing his original statement, just pieces that have been released

This is the first we heard of it so it was never mentioned by JB in his interviews or statements. Just that they were snorkeling. Not sure what they were feeding the fish with. I know the boats use bread by swimming out the bread would be gone before getting to the fish. I don't think they eat lettuce....she had a salad. I tried once at Marina Priate and they didn't eat it. lol

 

[LambChop]

Personally, I am on the side of truth
And thats where the problem seems to stem from
Fact and fiction getting mixed up

Well, I guess we all here are on a mission and we have our work cut out for us because GG is spinning some whoppers. I sure wish the forensic astrology thread were open. Reading his and her charts would probably reveal a lot. jmo

 

[Dushi]

This is the first we heard of it so it was never mentioned by JB in his interviews or statements. Just that they were snorkeling. Not sure what they were feeding the fish with. I know the boats use bread by swimming out the bread would be gone before getting to the fish. I don't think they eat lettuce....she had a salad. I tried once at Marina Priate and they didn't eat it. lol

Yes, I believe you are right about the bread

I think we may find out that there are many things in the statements that we are not aware of

 

[LambChop]

Yes, I believe you are right about the bread

I think we may find out that there are many things in the statements that we are not aware of

He needs to answer why he had heavy shoes on and was able to swim back and she was barefooted and unable to swim back?????

 

[neesaki]

Exactly what I've been asking all along - where were their phones?? Why didn't any of the talking heads ask GG this? Were they in the car?

We know Robyn had her phone with her in the restaurant, as far as GG's, I'm just guessing but I seriously doubt he goes anywhere without it either. And if he travels as much as it sounds like, he would surely be savy enough to know that 911 would be the number call for an emergency.

 

[Dushi]

Who was using her computer after she went missing?
I would like an answer to that

 

[neesaki]

It is not just the National Enquirer, most of the media are using this story to boost their ratings and are adding their own little spicy titbits.

Selected titbits are then taken by the different forums/blogs etc that suit a specifuc forum's mindset depending of whether that forum is pro Robyn or pro whoever else.

BBM. I would be interested to hear why you make this statement. Actually, the posters in this forum and most if not all of the other WS forums, do an excellent and very thorough job of posting links and information from all the media reports that are released, not just select tidbits.

 

[neesaki]

Who was using her computer after she went missing?
I would like an answer to that

Same here. I would assume it was left in the hotel room, so GG would have had access to it for the first hours and day or so after she disappeared, at least until Robyn's mother arrived. I can't remember if it was reported when LE took possession of her computer and phone.

 

[LolliPop]

Lambchop, I am pro-victim. I am pro-Robyn....I believe she is the only victim in this case. That is why I am here in a victim-friendly site. I am unclear why anyone would question whether we are pro-victim....would we be pro-perp? Nah, not logical. I agree with you!

May I suggest a digest of what my post actually said and then reply in a logical manner.
Nowhere in that post did I question if this forum is Pro or Anti Robyn, I was pointing out that there are in fact Pro Natalee forums and Pro Joran forums, nowhere did I even suggest this forum is Pro or Anti Robyn.

<modsnip>.

And for the record, I fully support if anyone has harmed Robyn Gardner that such a person or persons are brought to justice irrespective of who that may be.

 

[katydid23]

Same here. I would assume it was left in the hotel room, so GG would have had access to it for the first hours and day or so after she disappeared, at least until Robyn's mother arrived. I can't remember if it was reported when LE took possession of her computer and phone.

When I first heard that someone was on her computer it made me wonder if she had been attacked from behind while she was on the computer. But I guess it would not work with the timeline so , NO. But I thought it was weird that someone else was able to go on there considering she probably had a password protection.

 

[LolliPop]

BBM. I would be interested to hear why you make this statement. Actually, the posters in this forum and most if not all of the other WS forums, do an excellent and very thorough job of posting links and information from all the media reports that are released, not just select tidbits.

I said "this forum" ?

Please be so kind as to point out where I made reference to this forum ?

 

[katydid23]

May I suggest a digest of what my post actually said and then reply in a logical manner.
Nowhere in that post did I question if this forum is Pro or Anti Robyn, I was pointing out that there are in fact Pro Natalee forums and Pro Joran forums, nowhere did I even suggest this forum is Pro or Anti Robyn.

However I will suggest that there are Anti Baez members here and he is not even a perp, he is a defense attorney who happens to represent his client to the hilt if he believes in their innocence, what a noble man he is.

Perhaps a more Anti Bias to Baez is more fitting.

And for the record, I fully support if anyone has harmed Robyn Gardner that such a person or persons are brought to justice irrespective of who that may be.

So by 'representing to the hilt' do you mean accusing an innocent person of rape and incest?

 

[katydid23]

I said "this forum" ?

Please be so kind as to point out where I made reference to this forum ?

I believe that some of the posts that discussed this have since gone 'poof.'