ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 7

[LambChop]

This is the report about the dress
Also shows the jagged shoreline

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/aru...tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=14426693

Thank you, Dushi. This is the one I was talking about with the dress at quite a distance from the towels. If it was the only dress she brought with her (as we only see her in one during the time she was there) I think she would have put it in the car, along with her shoes, phone and purse. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Thank you, Dushi. This is the one I was talking about with the dress at quite a distance from the towels. If it was the only dress she brought with her (as we only see her in one during the time she was there) I think she would have put it in the car, along with her shoes, phone and purse. jmo

Yes i would think so
But one reason to keep it on, is if she did plan to topless sunbathe
She would keep the dress on til she found a secluded spot

BTW Topless sunbathing is not legal in Aruba but it is practised all of the time
Its not at all uncommon

 

[LambChop]

Yes i would think so
But one reason to keep it on, is if she did plan to topless sunbathe
She would keep the dress on til she found a secluded spot

BTW Topless sunbathing is not legal in Aruba but it is practised all of the time
Its not at all uncommon

I thought topless was okay, just not nude. I know some of the Europeans go topless. I see nothing wrong with topless myself....oh, not that I would but if you are lying on the beach many do take their tops off and put them back on before going in the water. So she would not have to hide while sunbathing.

Funny, too, is how children walk right by a woman who is topless and don't give them a second glance. Now the men....not so much. lol jmo

 

[LambChop]

Good catch - I'm shocked that JB would make something like that up.

Yes, I am too. But it's not like he said GG was molested and someone else disposed of RG's body. Oh, I guess he can't use that scenario again.

It does not surprise me. After three years nothing surprises me. GG is just the next chapter. The other case is a dead end for him. I think he suddenly realized when BW recoiled at his "hug" attempt that his association with his former (but still active) client does not sit well in BW's eyes, at least. Maybe she felt his tactics, though news worthy, were not to her personal liking.

Who knows what happened with GR. But GR was going to get his story and I have to give him credit he did. So no huggie from Barbara and GR went professional on him. Obviously GR does not believe GG's story either. I love it. jmo

 

[Dushi]

I thought topless was okay, just not nude. I know some of the Europeans go topless. I see nothing wrong with topless myself....oh, not that I would but if you are lying on the beach many do take their tops off and put them back on before going in the water. So she would not have to hide while sunbathing.

Funny, too, is how children walk right by a woman who is topless and don't give them a second glance. Now the men....not so much. lol jmo

No, she wouldn't have to hide

My point is, it is possible thats why she wore the dress to the beach, but left her bag , phone and shoes in the cat (if she did)

True about the children and men, LOL

 

[Dushi]

His neighbors seem concerned not so much about his return home, but the media onslaught that will follow.

It is a tight-knit community; some residents have lived there more than 20 years, and when opening their door to a reporter, they immediately say, “I have nothing to say,” or “No comment.”

“No one on this street will talk — at least to you,” one Tomahawk Drive resident said.

http://www.gazette.net/article/2011...ors-weary-of-the-media-glare&template=gazette

 

[LambChop]

No, she wouldn't have to hide

My point is, it is possible thats why she wore the dress to the beach, but left her bag , phone and shoes in the cat (if she did)

True about the children and men, LOL

Dushi, are we seeing kitties. Too funny. Check your post. lol

 

[Dushi]

Two residents on Pueblo Drive, who declined give their names, are upset that, after talking to a reporter, their names can be found on the Internet tied to Giordano and Gardner.

Still fresh in a few neighbors’ minds is the weekend of Aug. 12, when the FBI searched Giordano’s home for clues, media vans lined the street, and reporters knocked on doors.

http://www.gazette.net/article/2011...ors-weary-of-the-media-glare&template=gazette

 

[Dushi]

Dushi, are we seeing kitties. Too funny. Check your post. lol

LOL

That would be car!!!!

 

[LambChop]

LOL

That would be car!!!!

LOL....I can't even imagine what it would be like to drive a cat....

Thanks for posting the article.

GG sure seems to have a thing for harassing women. His neighbors having to put up with his immature antics. Hard to believe he could have this type of behavior with his female neighbors and then switch over to being a "self proclaimed" protector of RG when she needed it. Well, maybe the trash thrower personality was with her on the beach that day because the protector side was sorely missing. jmo

 

[Dushi]

My opinion is that he is a bully
I think it shows in his interviews

JMO

 

[neesaki]

Often if you ask someone they will mention Baby Beach as some place different but I think of telling people the cove is very shallow and if you are a non-swimmer it is a nice beach area to go do, plus great for the kids. Beyond the rocks I never think of people swimming there. I understand the snorkelers go down to Rodgers Beach and go into the water there because there is a sandy bottom there. They would have driven right by it.

If RG was told he planned to take pictures I'm sure she was not happy with that location. I don't think even if she had been drinking she would have wanted to get into that water. I think what would be helpful is if someone videotaped a woman trying to get into the water in that location barefooted to see if a woman could do it sober. I'm willing to bet she could not walk straight into the water without stumbling a little. I, myself, would never go into that water at that location with the risk of injury being so great. Twisted ankle, cuts on feet and legs, falling and hitting her face on a rock while in the water. Would not happen.....would not be worth it....not for a million dollars.

Where they were staying there is a beautiful beach on a small island right across from the hotel. A launch takes you out and you can spend all day there. If he was there on an all inclusive they could have snorkeled, eaten and swam to their hearts content. Going to Baby Beach twice late in the day when you only plan on having 3 full days in Aruba makes no sense. The first day should have told him it was a bad place to snorkel. But then if it was late in the day and he never went into the water on the first day he would not know about those rocks because you can't see much at sundown. jmo

Good point, I wonder what they discovered when they did the re-enactment.

IMO, that's one of the biggest red flags is that GG returned with Robyn to that area the second day. I wonder why this wasn't addressed in any of the interviews. :waitasec:

 

[neesaki]

His neighbors seem concerned not so much about his return home, but the media onslaught that will follow.

It is a tight-knit community; some residents have lived there more than 20 years, and when opening their door to a reporter, they immediately say, “I have nothing to say,” or “No comment.”

“No one on this street will talk — at least to you,” one Tomahawk Drive resident said.

http://www.gazette.net/article/2011...ors-weary-of-the-media-glare&template=gazette

All I can say is I'm glad he's not my neighbor.

 

[LolliPop]

The media should have a restriction placed on them because they are scaring the neighbors.
That article is a example of how the media will twist situations to extract something small like a neighbor dispute into World War 3.

It is also taken by some as an opportunity to air their grievances like the person talking about dead animals being placed in their yard etc.

Be interesting to see if an actually charge was laid in that regard, the chances are not.

 

[concentric]

Here's a snip of an article regarding the blood and search at the cemetery:



COOPER: And there had been some questions about whether or not Robyn Gardner's blood was on a -- was found on a towel. Is that right?

SAVIDGE: Right.

COOPER: What did they find?

SAVIDGE: Well, blood's been very interesting in this case, because it's been in, and it's been out. It was in in the beginning. They said there was a bloody palm print. There was also reports of blood found on a rock. Well, authorities said no, there was no blood.

Well, in fact today at that hearing we found out what do you know? There was blood. It was blood that was found on a towel on the beach, and DNA testing shows it was Robyn Gardner's blood.

Why is it interesting? Well, if it was a drowning, like Gary says, you shouldn't have blood. The defense attorney says, "Hey, this only fits with his story." He says that Robyn stubbed her toe on a rock on the beach. That's where the blood came from.

COOPER: We don't often cite the "National Enquirer" as a source in anything. But there's a story that they wrote that's gotten a lot of traction. A lot of other news organizations have already picked it up. They ran a story yesterday, saying Aruban authorities got a tip that Gardner was buried alive in a pet cemetery on that island. You checked it out, of course. What did you find out?

SAVIDGE: Well, it's a marvelous tale. And that's what authorities say it only is. It's total fiction, they maintain. There has been no witness that came forward and says that he saw Robyn Gardner being buried at a pet cemetery.

The pet cemetery, though, was early, very early on, looked at as part of the investigation. They went there. They looked for disturbed earth or any signs of a fresh grave. They found none. They went back with the cadaver dogs. The dogs did have a couple of hits. They dug it up. What did they find? Dog bones. It was a pet cemetery. So authorities say no, she is not in that pet cemetery.

COOPER: And there's been no sign of any remains or anything like that? SAVIDGE: No. No sign of anything like that. And in fact, this is a case so far that the defense attorney says is only based on circumstantial evidence. Gary Giordano has maintained his innocence throughout and has always told police the same story, according to his new defense attorney. And we should point out he has a criminal defense attorney now, which is an indication of how serious it may become.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/28/acd.02.html

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Hi everyone. I've read all but the last several posts, so please excuse me. Sometimes, I have nights where I can't get to sleep, I'm thinking about a case, the victim(s) and what may have happened.

While Robyn and GG were in the restaurant and looking at the beach, could another person have entered the vehicle (given entry), hidden on the floor behind the front seats of the car, and then waited, or was cued to follow or waiting at the next secluded location in order to complete her disappearance?

Meanwhile, someone returns with a towel with Robyn's blood on it. It is placed at the "snorkeling" area in order to make it appear, establish, anchor that Robyn did indeed spend some time at that particular spot.

Could this have been a murder for hire, with two, three or more(?) "perps." taking over at different phases/transitions in the operation? Perhaps GG did not have direct physical responsibility for her "disappearance?" If this is the case, it could weaken and confuse attributing evidence against any one individual.

Maybe there is someone waiting to get paid with the insurance profit.

 

[Dushi]

The media should have a restriction placed on them because they are scaring the neighbors.
That article is a example of how the media will twist situations to extract something small like a neighbor dispute into World War 3.

It is also taken by some as an opportunity to air their grievances like the person talking about dead animals being placed in their yard etc.

Be interesting to see if an actually charge was laid in that regard, the chances are not.

I agree a restriction on media in a residential neighbourhood should be in place
Why should all of those who live there have to suffer through that


As far as the charges go, upthread i have posted a link
Basically, the charges were dismissed because of time factor
The incident mentioned happened some time ago and nothing was done about it til now
If it was that upsetting, I am not sure why the plaintiff waited so long to try and get a peace bond or whatever

 

[Dushi]

Good point, I wonder what they discovered when they did the re-enactment.

IMO, that's one of the biggest red flags is that GG returned with Robyn to that area the second day. I wonder why this wasn't addressed in any of the interviews. :waitasec:

BBM

That is the question
On such a short holiday, why would one go to that beach area twice?
Its not fabulous, its rather ugly
When there are so many beautiful choices, why would you revisit that area?

 

[concentric]

[/B]

BBM

That is the question
On such a short holiday, why would one go to that beach area twice?
Its not fabulous, its rather ugly
When there are so many beautiful choices, why would you revisit that area?

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And why announce to the waiter that Hi, my name is GG and this is Robyn, and we are here from...

So that someone else at the restaurant would, without a doubt, understand that she was indeed the mark?

 

[Dushi]

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And why announce to the waiter that Hi, my name is GG and this is Robyn, and we are here from...
So that someone else could understand that this is the mark?

LOL

That exact question was just going through my mind!!
Why did gary "jump up" and introduce him and robyn to the server?
Jump up was the way the server described it

IMO highly unusual behavior

It just seems to me he was bringing attention to the fact that they were there
I don't think it was to point her out as much as to bring attention to the fact that they were there
I don't know why

 

[concentric]

Why were there several photos of her tattoos? Unique identifying feature, so there was no mistaking it was her?