ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 8

[LambChop]

-respectfully snipper by me

Fisherman Silva did not talk to the police, he talked to ABC and told them the police never interviewed him.

Probably other witnesses (if any) did not tell the same story to the police, since if that was the case, and the police knowing Giordano and Robyn never went into the water to begin with, there would not have been a re-enactment, there would not have been all those water searches at and around the exact spot where Giordano indicated Robyn drowned.

If fisherman "mr A" is known to always fish at Nanki, saw the couple, and gave a statement to the police on the spot that Robyn nor Giordano ever went into the sea that afternoon then Giordano would not have been free to leave, his car not being searched etc.

Plus they would not spend lots of money to search and re enact there. IMO

The reenactment I bet is for the FBI. What other reason could they have? They know he lied. What better way to preserve his statement and the inconsistencies than to videotape what he claims happened. Smart move on their part, very smart move. jmo

 

[LolliPop]

The reenactment I bet is for the FBI. What other reason could they have? They know he lied. What better way to preserve his statement and the inconsistencies than to videotape what he claims happened. Smart move on their part, very smart move. jmo

So the FBI was involved right at the beginning and ABC is a FBI affiliate.

Yes, a very smart move.

Media material is very conclusive in a court of law.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

So the purpose of the injury attorney was to help him get the life insurance payout then?

Oh! C'mon now katydid, that IS not what I meant . I know this might seem hard to believe, but we might do the exact same thing if this happened to us.

Think about it: You are on an island governed by Dutch law. You do not know anyone on that island. Your companion may have drowned,for sure she disappeared. What do you do? Calling an attorney familiar with the Aruban law would seem like the smart thing to do. He can give you guidance on the protocol in this situation. Better than just winging it on your own,at least you have someone to guide you through the steps of a tragic situation....and apparently that is exactly what the personal injury attorney did, right?

 

[LolliPop]

No one was a suspect at the time and people asked what happened. A policeman told them GG appeared to be drunk and was mumbling so they would have to wait until morning to interview him. There was no suspicion of anything wrong at that time so why would they fabricate a story. Again, that makes no sense. jmo

You are correct, it makes no sense that a policeman would talk to people openly and tell them that they will have to interview him in the morning.

A person lost at sea can wait until morning.

 

[LambChop]

So the FBI was involved right at the beginning and ABC is a FBI affiliate.

Yes, a very smart move.

Media material is very conclusive in a court of law.

The video of the reenactment was filmed by Aruban authorities, not ABC.

 

[LolliPop]

The video of the reenactment was filmed by Aruban authorities, not ABC.

OK.

Obviously the Aruban Authorities knew at that stage that they could not hold him and did this in cahoots with the FBI so that when GG returned to the US, this could be used to convict him ?

Is that what you are saying ?

 

[LambChop]

Oh! C'mon now katydid, that IS not what I meant . I know this might seem hard to believe, but we might do the exact same thing if this happened to us.

Think about it: You are on an island governed by Dutch law. You do not know anyone on that island. Your companion may have drowned,for sure she disappeared. What do you do? Calling an attorney familiar with the Aruban law would seem like the smart thing to do. He can give you guidance on the protocol in this situation. Better than just winging it on your own,at least you have someone to guide you through the steps of a tragic situation....and apparently that is exactly what the personal injury attorney did, right?

Not according to JB. He said "conflict of interest" for this attorney to represent GG. JB is talking about the insurance money. And he thinks his client was giving too much detail. lol

 

[LambChop]

OK.

Obviously the Aruban Authorities knew at that stage that they could not hold him and did this in cahoots with the FBI so that when GG returned to the US, this could be used to convict him ?

Is that what you are saying ?

The video was shot one month after RG disappeared and her remains did not wash ashore. They shot a reenactment to document the event and the discrepancies in GG's statement. Obviously what GG said happened did not. They waited for the day that was as close to conditions as the day RG disappeared. If the US decided to charge GG the Arubans have the video as evidence for their case. jmo

 

[SyraKelly]

hi guys.. the reenactment to lock GG in his story?

 

[katydid23]

Oh! C'mon now katydid, that IS not what I meant . I know this might seem hard to believe, but we might do the exact same thing if this happened to us.

Think about it: You are on an island governed by Dutch law. You do not know anyone on that island. Your companion may have drowned,for sure she disappeared. What do you do? Calling an attorney familiar with the Aruban law would seem like the smart thing to do. He can give you guidance on the protocol in this situation. Better than just winging it on your own,at least you have someone to guide you through the steps of a tragic situation....and apparently that is exactly what the personal injury attorney did, right?

First of all, if i was traveling with a friend, I would not have a 1.5 million dollar life ins policy with MYSELF as the beneficiary. I have gone on many vacations in my life and that has never happened.

And if I was in that position,and the person went missing,I would not make my first calls be to the ins company to see about my payout.

Nor would I tell the airline personnel that my missing friend was taking the next flight out.

 

[Micheline]

On Wednesday, Giordano appeared to suggest during an exclusive ABC News’ interview that Robyn Gardner may have been kidnapped as part of a human trafficking crime.

“What you don’t know about Aruba is Aruba has two main sources of income and it’s not tourism. It’s cocaine and human trafficking,” Giordano said. “And where we were it takes a half hour to drive a boat to Venezuela… and it turns out that where we were, the beach, that’s where they drop off illegals to swim to shore.”

http://newscomers.com/2574-robyn-ga...aine-trafficking-or-the-insurance-policy.html


I think he is clearly suggesting that he now thinks Robyn could have been kidnapped. he is changing his story IMO
There is no ther way I can read it

Giordano at no point is suggesting Robyn was kidnapped.

In his interview he is being asked up front why did he bring up the human traffickers?

Giordano then responds: While I was in prison, some of those prisoners had told me that that location (Nanki) is very dangerous, currents and so on, and also mentioned that boats come from Venezuela and they drop of illegals and they swim the rest of the way in, and they mentioned several of them did not make it to shore, because it is dangerous there, so that is the knowledge I have.

So, IMO he is clearly trying to point out here that it is not uncommon for people to drown at Nanki.
at 05:15 into the video:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/gary-giordano-takes-critics-15082306

He continues to say the police had told him there was a boat out there (at Nanki), that he himself had not seen a boat, it was the police who mentioned to him that there was a boat out there and that they were investigating it.

Giordano only knows Robyn never made it to shore, that when he reached the beach he did not see her anywhere nor was she found shortly thereafter.
If the police then claims the presence of a boat and wants to pursue some boat scenario who is he to object to that.

That is not Giordano suggesting Robyn was kidnapped, he just lets the interviewer know what the police told him. IMO

 

[SyraKelly]

Would another minor detail be that he has then inserted himself into the case ?

I don't understand how one can say he has nothing to do with the case when he is all over the media talking about the case.

What I don't understand is if he is her boyfriend, what was she doing on Aruba without him and with another man ?

I don't think he inserted himself in this case--he cared about her deeply and wants to find out what happened to her!

 

[Micheline]

I bet that was all an act, the drunk act. The best thing he could do while being questioned was to pretend you could not answer any questions. Then it would make the searchers believe that the missing woman was drunk too. So no need to question the story at all. Just another drunk tourist drowning due to irresponsible actions.

-bolded by me.

That does not fit the 1,5 million dollar insurance motive.

No insurance company pays out when something happens due to irresponsible behavior such as going swimming into deep waters while drunk.

It would make no sense Giordano was playing the drunk act nor that authorities would believe in an insurance motive if Giordano was drunk as claimed by Fisherman Silva.

 

[LolliPop]

-bolded by me.

That does not fit the 1,5 million dollar insurance motive.

No insurance company pays out when something happens due to irresponsible behavior such as going swimming into deep waters while drunk.

It would make no sense Giordano was playing the drunk act nor that authorities would believe in an insurance motive if Giordano was drunk as claimed by Fisherman Silva.

An excellent point !

Blows holes all over the accusations.

Post of the day in my opinion.

 

[LolliPop]

I don't think he inserted himself in this case--he cared about her deeply and wants to find out what happened to her!

That is understandable but is he her boyfriend ?

It seems to me that she was with another man.

 

[MaryAnn]

That is understandable but is he her boyfriend ?

It seems to me that she was with another man.

They weren't married and she obviously dated other men. This doesn't mean that he didn't love her.

 

[Micheline]

Police told fisherman Silva that Giordano was drunk, heard that with my own ears.

Of course when its said that fisherman Silva did not speak to police, maybe he just listened and did not speak back.

Let's say that is true, going by these various versions, both Robyn and Giordano were very drunk, plus per those same stories Robyn mixed strong alcohol with sleepingpills during the day.
Then she goes swimming in deep waters. If that information is correct then the whole insurance motive no longer holds water.

Incidents/accidents caused by reckless behavior and/or under the influence of drugs and alcohol are not covered. No 1,5 million motive anymore.

 

[LolliPop]

Let's say that is true, going by these various versions, both Robyn and Giordano were very drunk, plus per those same stories Robyn mixed strong alcohol with sleepingpills during the day.
Then she goes swimming in deep waters. If that information is correct then the whole insurance motive no longer holds water.

Incidents/accidents caused by reckless behavior and/or under the influence of drugs and alcohol are not covered. No 1,5 million motive anymore.

Yep !

Your previous post and explanation hit the nail right on the head.

 

[katydid23]

-bolded by me.

That does not fit the 1,5 million dollar insurance motive.

No insurance company pays out when something happens due to irresponsible behavior such as going swimming into deep waters while drunk.

It would make no sense Giordano was playing the drunk act nor that authorities would believe in an insurance motive if Giordano was drunk as claimed by Fisherman Silva.

So are you saying that GG was not drunk?

Why did the police send him back to the hotel then to take a nap?

In the pictures taken right afterwards he looks like he is smiling and grinning. he certainly was not in mourning.

Maybe he did not know about the drunk clause.

 

[MaryAnn]

Let's say that is true, going by these various versions, both Robyn and Giordano were very drunk, plus per those same stories Robyn mixed strong alcohol with sleepingpills during the day.
Then she goes swimming in deep waters. If that information is correct then the whole insurance motive no longer holds water.

Incidents/accidents caused by reckless behavior and/or under the influence of drugs and alcohol are not covered. No 1,5 million motive anymore.

GG wasn't the one who said that Robyn was drunk. The people at the restaurant noticed she was really woozy... If GG wanted to get rid of Robyn I would think he would have encouranged her to take pills and drink. it would make his job a lot easier. No caring person would encourage that person to go Snorkeling!