ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 8

[LambChop]

I didn't mean that GG might have missed a boat, only perhaps he missed seeing RG, who floated further out, and she was spotted by a boat, and said boat zipped in and grabbed her while GG was no longer on site. A person can float for quite sometime. She may not have drowned at all, she was alledgedly a strong swimmer.

Wow..there is a lot of thought going into this theory. I never said GG could see 15 miles himself. That is the norm, I believe, in a body of water. The horizon is 15 miles away. So this theory is going on the assumption that trafficing boats are running up and down the coast of Aruba (out beyond Aruban terrority unless they are Aruban boats) just on the chance that a young female body may float by giving them the chance to use their CPR skills and revived a person, who by now would be in a vegetative state if they even could be revived??? It would have to be a very small boat to go unnoticed and gas in Aruba is expensive, about $10.00 a gallon. Not a real money maker.

I think taking out a 1.5M policy might work, that is if you could tell a convincing story. I think GG is still working out the bugs on his. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Why is that strange? I sit on the beach and watch people pass by. She had on a very colorful dress, high wedged heels (not beachwear which you would expect to see someone on the beach), her left arm has a very distinctive tattoo so I could see her drawing attention. It also depends on what they were doing, saying that may have drawn attention.

It was also a strange part of the day to be there if you were not fishing, IMO. Not uncommon for Arubans to fish for their dinner in that location. jmo

It may be an unusual time to snorkel, I don't know

But there is nothing unusual or uncommon to see people walking the beach at that time of day

I do it everyday when there

 

[Dushi]

I don't recall him saying that about the nap????
LE would interview witnesses regardless of whether or not GG could speak. It's standard operating procedures. GG claimed he did not know what happened to her because he was swimming for his life. A witness might have seen where she went under so they could search there. They were conducting a search and recover at that point and could have used that information had someone seen her go under and not come back up. jmo

well, at least said GG was drunk
I don't see mention of a nap

A fisherman in Aruba says he saw the man suspected of Robyn Gardner's disappearance driving erratically and appearing to be drunk on the day the American tourist vanished.

Sergio Silva told ABC's "Good Morning America" that he saw Gardner and Gary Giordano leaving the Rum Reef Bar & Grill in a rental car on Aug. 2, driving "in the wrong direction."Later that evening, Silva says Giordano looked like he was drunk while he was speaking with police on the beach during the initial search for the missing tourist.

"Cops were all over him, trying to talk to him, and he would just mumble -- nobody could understand what he was saying," the eyewitness told "Good Morning America."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_938285.html

 

[rossva]

BBM. I guess you meant anyone but GG would be "you"?




Originally Posted by LambChop
I think it's not realistic to believe this when he claims she disappeared in 10 to 15 foot of open water with no one around to help them. You can see 15 miles in the water in all directions at that point.

I also mentioned it was possible RG had not drowned, but in fact had been swept out to sea, where she was spotted and recovered by nefarious individuals.

Also, those individuals, if RG was infact deceased, and of no value to them, they could have weighted her down, and disposed of her further out to sea.

Why would the boat have to go un-noticed? I am pretty sure there are boats motoring around Aruba all the time. And as such a common occurance, I don't think it would stand out in anyone's minds.

Not a real money maker? Hmmm, what does a 35 year old blonde woman go for these days in the sex trade?

FYI, in Aruba, today, gas is going for $4.90 US gallon. "Aruba is best known for its tourism credentials, however, Aruba gasoline prices gained international attention when CNNMoney erroneasly stated that Aruba had over $10 a gallon gasoline prices at the height of oil prices back in 2008."

http://arubagasoline.com/

Wow..there is a lot of thought going into this theory. I never said GG could see 15 miles himself. That is the norm, I believe, in a body of water. The horizon is 15 miles away. So this theory is going on the assumption that trafficing boats are running up and down the coast of Aruba (out beyond Aruban terrority unless they are Aruban boats) just on the chance that a young female body may float by giving them the chance to use their CPR skills and revived a person, who by now would be in a vegetative state if they even could be revived??? It would have to be a very small boat to go unnoticed and gas in Aruba is expensive, about $10.00 a gallon. Not a real money maker.

I think taking out a 1.5M policy might work, that is if you could tell a convincing story. I think GG is still working out the bugs on his. jmo

 

[Dushi]

BBM. I guess you meant anyone but GG would be "you"?





I also mentioned it was possible RG had not drowned, but in fact had been swept out to sea, where she was spotted and recovered by nefarious individuals.

Also, those individuals, if RG was infact deceased, and of no value to them, they could have weighted her down, and disposed of her further out to sea.

Why would the boat have to go un-noticed? I am pretty sure there are boats motoring around Aruba all the time. And as such a common occurance, I don't think it would stand out in anyone's minds.

Not a real money maker? Hmmm, what does a 35 year old blonde woman go for these days in the sex trade?

FYI, in Aruba, today, gas is going for $4.90 US gallon. "Aruba is best known for its tourism credentials, however, Aruba gasoline prices gained international attention when CNNMoney erroneasly stated that Aruba had over $10 a gallon gasoline prices at the height of oil prices back in 2008."

http://arubagasoline.com/

Like you, I have no idea what happened to RG
All I can do is read what I see and speculate

One thing about boats,I certainly do not notice them much after the first day
There are many out there, its no big deal to most people

About someone weighing her down, well of course anything could have happened but I don't know why anyone would bother weighng her down unless they were responsible for her demise. If she was still alive, most boaters would bring her ashore
The coast is not fraught with criminals
Police boats and coast guard have quite a presence

As far as what a 35 year old woman is worth in the sex trade? I am afraid not very much
In any research I have done, posted earlier with links, the average age is eleven, with ages ranging fron 9 to 19
And the average price is $16,000.00


As I stated, anything is possible but I don't believe its all that complicated

Good news about gas prices!!!

 

[MaryAnn]

I have no idea, but just because I do not know how it could have happened, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Perhaps that's the reason no body has washed up on the shore; some trafficker just happened to snatch out of the water before she drowned, revived her, and kidnapped her?

How likely is it that a "human Trafficking" boat was waiting off shore for some pretty woman to drown so they can snatch her up and kidnap her? It's about as likely as a CFO hovering over "baby beach" and beaming her up.
GG probably did his research and knew that her body would be washed back onto shore, so he killed her and buried her somewhere on land. The fact he was soliciting for companions for this trip makes me believe he planned this whole "murder" a long long time ago.

 

[MaryAnn]

So, because RG is a female, and GG is a male, if he was missing and presumed drowned/dead, no one would question her (being a caring person and all) as to why she did not stop a drunk/high person from going in to the water?

That's an amazing defense strategy for smaller people.

#3 Originally Posted by MaryAnn
Probably not. GG was a large Man, and I highly doubt that Robyn (without any weapon) could get the upper hand on hm.

#1 Originally Posted by MaryAnn
Wouldn't a caring person stop someone who was drunk/high from going into the ocean?

#2 Originally Posted by rossva
What if that caring person was also drunk/high at the same time? If it was GG that never came back, would people be asking RG that same question?

I think it's more common for woman to be murdered by men/husbands, then men being murdered by woman. It does happen, but most of the time the woman has a weapon. Men in general are stronger and larger than woman. I'm sure there are exceptions! I know for a fact I couldn't get an upper hand on my Brother for example. I'm 5, 1" and he's almost 6 feet tall and strong. That's what I'm trying to get at.

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[Dushi]

rossva

Are you asking if the roles were reversed, gary went missing and Robyn came back.. would she be under the same scrutiny as Gary?

If so, my opinion would be, given the same circumstances, same reputation, same insurance policy, same indiscrepancies ,yes she would be under suspicion

 

[neesaki]

Two nights ago I dreamed Robyn's body was found hidden under some very , very dense vegetation on the island. I'm not psychic but it was still a very eery dream.
Are there places on the island like that which have not been searched ?

 

[Dushi]

I have been trying to find the media report with the whole list of charges that LE were considering
I have failed to locate it.
Does anyone have that??


I am trying to understand why no charges were laid
Was there no evidence to prove that anything on that list happened, or is LE holding out for murder?

 

[Dushi]

Two nights ago I dreamed Robyn's body was found hidden under some very , very dense vegetation on the island. I'm not psychic but it was still a very eery dream.
Are there places on the island like that which have not been searched ?

There is very little dense vegetation on the Island
Its cacti and very scrubby land, not at all lush, its a desert really
I am sure one could hide something in what is there but you would be torn apart getting it there

 

[Dushi]

Frenchmans Pass is about as lush as it gets imo

 

[rossva]

Yes, thank you for understanding my question, and answering it.

rossva

Are you asking if the roles were reversed, gary went missing and Robyn came back.. would she be under the same scrutiny as Gary?

If so, my opinion would be, given the same circumstances, same reputation, same insurance policy, same indiscrepancies ,yes she would be under suspicion

 

[LambChop]

Two nights ago I dreamed Robyn's body was found hidden under some very , very dense vegetation on the island. I'm not psychic but it was still a very eery dream.
Are there places on the island like that which have not been searched ?

LOL, yes, the Hyatt. Looks like Hawaii in there. The only other areas where there are a lot of Divi trees and cactus would be the national park but GG would have been so scratched up trying to get her body back there off the roads it would be a dead giveaway. Plus she would have been visible from the air. While there is a lot of growth there it is very sparse. jmo

 

[rossva]

I never said the boat was waiting for her off shore; they just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Afterall, visibility is 15 miles.

Soliciting companions makes him possibly a dirty old man who lives a lifestyle many on here do not aprove of; not a murderer. If the mother daughter couple had gone with him, in your opinion, would they both be missing now?

Off topic, whats a CFO? (not meant to be snarky).

How likely is it that a "human Trafficking" boat was waiting off shore for some pretty woman to drown so they can snatch her up and kidnap her? It's about as likely as a CFO hovering over "baby beach" and beaming her up.
GG probably did his research and knew that her body would be washed back onto shore, so he killed her and buried her somewhere on land. The fact he was soliciting for companions for this trip makes me believe he planned this whole "murder" a long long time ago.

 

[LambChop]

BBM. I guess you meant anyone but GG would be "you"?

When I'm down there, yes, I can see 15 miles as can anyone else. Over the water you can see right up to the horizon. I think that is pretty much true no matter where you are as long as you are looking out at the open sea.
Originally Posted by LambChop
I think it's not realistic to believe this when he claims she disappeared in 10 to 15 foot of open water with no one around to help them. You can see 15 miles in the water in all directions at that point.

I also mentioned it was possible RG had not drowned, but in fact had been swept out to sea, where she was spotted and recovered by nefarious individuals.

Also, those individuals, if RG was infact deceased, and of no value to them, they could have weighted her down, and disposed of her further out to sea.

Why would the boat have to go un-noticed? I am pretty sure there are boats motoring around Aruba all the time. And as such a common occurance, I don't think it would stand out in anyone's minds.

Not a real money maker? Hmmm, what does a 35 year old blonde woman go for these days in the sex trade?

FYI, in Aruba, today, gas is going for $4.90 US gallon. "Aruba is best known for its tourism credentials, however, Aruba gasoline prices gained international attention when CNNMoney erroneasly stated that Aruba had over $10 a gallon gasoline prices at the height of oil prices back in 2008."

http://arubagasoline.com/

Well, I'm glad the gas prices finally went down. I paid almost $6 a liter this summer while I was down there considering Venezuela is 17 miles away and they pay about $0.12 a gallon. Thanks for the info.

 

[rossva]

I have never mentioned murder, nor did you in your original question . In one of your responses you even mentioned "with out a weapon".

Your original question: #1 Originally Posted by MaryAnn
Wouldn't a caring person stop someone who was drunk/high from going into the ocean?
I would assume a caring person would be able to find non-violent, non physical ways to prevent a drunk/high person from going into the ocean. Especially a beautiful 35 year old female dealing with an older man.

I asked two questions, neither of which you have answered.

#1 What if that caring person was also drunk/high at the same time?

and

#2 If it was GG that never came back, would people be asking RG that same question? (question being: Wouldn't a caring person stop someone who was drunk/high from going into the ocean? )

I think it's more common for woman to be murdered by men/husbands, then men being murdered by woman. It does happen, but most of the time the woman has a weapon. Men in general are stronger and larger than woman. I'm sure there are exceptions! I know for a fact I couldn't get an upper hand on my Brother for example. I'm 5, 1" and he's almost 6 feet tall and strong. That's what I'm trying to get at.

do you body build? Maybe that's why it's hard for you to understand??

 

[LambChop]

I have never mentioned murder, nor did you in your original question . In one of your responses you even mentioned "with out a weapon".

Your original question: #1 Originally Posted by MaryAnn
Wouldn't a caring person stop someone who was drunk/high from going into the ocean?
I would assume a caring person would be able to find non-violent, non physical ways to prevent a drunk/high person from going into the ocean. Especially a beautiful 35 year old female dealing with an older man.

I asked two questions, neither of which you have answered.

#1 What if that caring person was also drunk/high at the same time?

and

#2 If it was GG that never came back, would people be asking RG that same question? (question being: Wouldn't a caring person stop someone who was drunk/high from going into the ocean? )

Why would that person (GG) drive them to such a remote area in the first place when the other person (RG) didn't even bring equipment with her to snorkel? Plus two days in a row at the end of the day. If he was drinking he should not have been driving.

Where they were staying they could have gone over to the hotel's private island, drank to their hearts content on a beautiful beach and taken the launch back. They would not have had to worry about driving. Seems to me if you have a drinking problem you should not be driving around the island drinking. Go sit somewhere on the beach and drink to your hearts content but don't get into a car and drive.

Knowing the area she went into the water, she could not get into that water drunk or sober without falling if she tried to enter in her barefeet. GG never took that into consideration because he did not try getting into that water before she disappeared. By the time he tried to cover himself it was too late and he had to keep his sneakers on just to get wet up to his ankles. I doubt he could go further into the water because by 6pm you can't see what you are stepping on in the water. There is no Sun.

This is why they did the reenactment. I'm sure it shows the woman having a great deal of difficulty getting into that water in her barefeet if she even make it to the water's edge. This is why he was held for so long. His story just does not match what the police know would have been possible for RG to do. GG claims she was drinking, not insane. Common sense tells you she did not get into that water, at least not there. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Why would that person (GG) drive them to such a remote area in the first place when the other person (RG) didn't even bring equipment with her to snorkel? Plus two days in a row at the end of the day. If he was drinking he should not have been driving.

Where they were staying they could have gone over to the hotel's private island, drank to their hearts content on a beautiful beach and taken the launch back. They would not have had to worry about driving. Seems to me if you have a drinking problem you should not be driving around the island drinking. Go sit somewhere on the beach and drink to your hearts content but don't get into a car and drive.

Knowing the area she went into the water, she could not get into that water drunk or sober without falling if she tried to enter in her barefeet. GG never took that into consideration because he did not try getting into that water before she disappeared. By the time he tried to cover himself it was too late and he had to keep his sneakers on just to get wet up to his ankles. I doubt he could go further into the water because by 6pm you can't see what you are stepping on in the water. There is no Sun.

This is why they did the reenactment. I'm sure it shows the woman having a great deal of difficulty getting into that water in her barefeet if she even make it to the water's edge. This is why he was held for so long. His story just does not match what the police know would have been possible for RG to do. GG claims she was drinking, not insane. Common sense tells you she did not get into that water, at least not there. jmo

I think these thoughts are based on what you or I may do on Holiday

Its rather hard to determine what someone else may do
I agree, I would not be interested but thats not to say others wouldn't be
Some love a lovely busy resort, others like a more out of the way location

It seems to me that a lot of drunks don't give a thought to drinking and driving so I can't see that determining where they spent their days

 

[Dushi]

From what I have read and seen , they were party people
The end of the day may have just been the beginning to their day