ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 8

[LolliPop]

They weren't married and she obviously dated other men. This doesn't mean that he didn't love her.

I do not recall saying that he did not love her.

However if she was dating other men then he could not have been her boyfriend unless he did not know she was seeing other men or they had "that" type of relationship.

 

[katydid23]

Let's say that is true, going by these various versions, both Robyn and Giordano were very drunk, plus per those same stories Robyn mixed strong alcohol with sleepingpills during the day.
Then she goes swimming in deep waters. If that information is correct then the whole insurance motive no longer holds water.

Incidents/accidents caused by reckless behavior and/or under the influence of drugs and alcohol are not covered. No 1,5 million motive anymore.

The motive is still there because he was trying to cash in on it. The first calls he made were to the ins company asking about how to cash in.

Seems like he did not know about that clause. If there is one.

 

[Nova]

Because he wanted people to realise that it is not uncommon for people to drown at that area, that is why he gave the traffickers example....

In five-plus years of discussing Natalee Holloway, I don't believe I ever once saw an American use the term "human trafficking" with regards to Aruba in the sense you are using it today.

All references to "human trafficking" in that case (and I believe in this one) refer to women being abducted and forced into drug use and prostitution, usually elsewhere in SA.

I see no reason to believe GG suddenly decided to opine on the subject of Aruba's illegal immigration problem.

 

[vlpate]

My real point in bringing this up has to do with this question: Why would GG bring this human trafficking question up now, after all this time he has been totally adamant that Robyn "drowned" while they were "snorkeling".

Does it not look like he is now attempting to cast doubt on his original story? Does it not look like he is now attempting to give himself an "out", so that now he doesn't really know what happened? Really, which is it?

Jose Baez remedial defense 101 - throw it against the wall and see what sticks.

Give it three years and it will change to, "she was sexually molested by her father when she was young at the beach and the waves crashing against the rocks triggered a memory so horrific she drowned herself to stop the noise".

 

[LolliPop]

In five-plus years of discussing Natalee Holloway, I don't believe I ever once saw an American use the term "human trafficking" with regards to Aruba in the sense you are using it today.

All references to "human trafficking" in that case (and I believe in this one) refer to women being abducted and forced into drug use and prostitution, usually elsewhere in SA.

I see no reason to believe GG suddenly decided to opine on the subject of Aruba's illegal immigration problem.

In the Natalee Holloway case there were many things said by Americans that made no sense whatsoever and continue to be said.

If ever there was an example of media manipulation as well as forum distortion, the Natalee Holloway case reigns supreme.

The end result is that by the time the actual facts became known, it was too late to act upon them.

 

[MaryAnn]

Jose Baez remedial defense 101 - throw it against the wall and see what sticks.

Give it three years and it will change to, "she was sexually molested by her father when she was young at the beach and the waves crashing against the rocks triggered a memory so horrific she drowned herself to stop the noise".

LOL... thank you I needed that. Histerical....

 

[SyraKelly]

I do not recall saying that he did not love her.

However if she was dating other men then he could not have been her boyfriend unless he did not know she was seeing other men or they had "that" type of relationship.

I don't see want type of relationship they had, have to do with this case..She is missing and he wants to know what happened..If you went missing..I would assume all your friends would be there looking for you..right-parents,friends,boyfriends,ex-boyfriends all the people who loved and cared you.

 

[katydid23]

In the Natalee Holloway case there were many things said by Americans that made no sense whatsoever and continue to be said.

If ever there was an example of media manipulation as well as forum distortion, the Natalee Holloway case reigns supreme.

The end result is that by the time the actual facts became known, it was too late to act upon them.

I DISAGREE. Natalee's parents were right on the nose from the start. They KNEW the truth about what happened from day one. But Joran's father had too many connections in the justice system for them to be listened to.

 

[MaryAnn]

I DISAGREE. Natalee's parents were right on the nose from the start. They KNEW the truth about what happened from day one. But Joran's father had too many connections in the justice system for them to be listened to.

Beth Holloway was on the first plane to Aruba looking for her beloved Daughter. She didn't wait 31 days to try and figure out where she was!!! Oh wait, it was CA that called 911, not Tot Mom.

 

[LolliPop]

I DISAGREE. Natalee's parents were right on the nose from the start. They KNEW the truth about what happened from day one. But Joran's father had too many connections in the justice system for them to be listened to.

oki doki

 

[LolliPop]

Beth Holloway was on the first plane to Aruba looking for her beloved Daughter. She didn't wait 31 days to try and figure out where she was!!! Oh wait, it was CA that called 911, not Tot Mom.

CA = California ?

Tot Mom ?

BTW, she was not on the first plane to Aruba.

But this is about Robyn Gardner, I don't understand why other cases are brought up here.

 

[Nova]

Giordano at no point is suggesting Robyn was kidnapped.

In his interview he is being asked up front why did he bring up the human traffickers?

Giordano then responds: While I was in prison, some of those prisoners had told me that that location (Nanki) is very dangerous, currents and so on, and also mentioned that boats come from Venezuela and they drop of illegals and they swim the rest of the way in, and they mentioned several of them did not make it to shore, because it is dangerous there, so that is the knowledge I have.

So, IMO he is clearly trying to point out here that it is not uncommon for people to drown at Nanki.
at 05:15 into the video:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/gary-giordano-takes-critics-15082306

He continues to say the police had told him there was a boat out there (at Nanki), that he himself had not seen a boat, it was the police who mentioned to him that there was a boat out there and that they were investigating it.

Giordano only knows Robyn never made it to shore, that when he reached the beach he did not see her anywhere nor was she found shortly thereafter.
If the police then claims the presence of a boat and wants to pursue some boat scenario who is he to object to that.

That is not Giordano suggesting Robyn was kidnapped, he just lets the interviewer know what the police told him. IMO

Okay, I see what you mean and you are right: for about 15 seconds, GG shifts to a definition of human trafficking that includes "smuggling immigrants" in order to mention the supposedly dangerous current. But as you yourself acknowledge, within a few second he shifts back to talking about witnesses who supposedly saw a boat in the area at the time RG went missing; so we are back to the definition of human trafficking that means "forced prostitution and human slavery". Since no bodies of illegal immigrants were found, the alleged presence of a boat at the time of RG's disappearance has no relevance with regard to currents.

 

[katydid23]

CA = California ?

Tot Mom ?

BTW, she was not on the first plane to Aruba.

But this is about Robyn Gardner, I don't understand why other cases are brought up here.

You asked why other cases are brought up here? See YOUR post below:

In the Natalee Holloway case there were many things said by Americans that made no sense whatsoever and continue to be said.

If ever there was an example of media manipulation as well as forum distortion, the Natalee Holloway case reigns supreme.

The end result is that by the time the actual facts became known, it was too late to act upon them.
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[LambChop]

-bolded by me.

That does not fit the 1,5 million dollar insurance motive.

No insurance company pays out when something happens due to irresponsible behavior such as going swimming into deep waters while drunk.

It would make no sense Giordano was playing the drunk act nor that authorities would believe in an insurance motive if Giordano was drunk as claimed by Fisherman Silva.

Does not change the fact that GG had tried to collect. JB claims the personal injury attorney wanted 1/3 of the insurance money. Sound like he expected to get that money. jmo

 

[Micheline]

-respectfully snipped a bit by me-

So are you saying that GG was not drunk?

No I went with the scenario that is believed here that the Fisherman had no reason to lie, Giordano was so drunk he could not speak etc.

I do not believe that, but if you do believe it you cannot also believe the 1,5 million dollar motive.

Why did the police send him back to the hotel then to take a nap?

Where does this claim come from?

Maybe he did not know about the drunk clause.

Since he owns a car I am sure he is aware of the alcohol/drugs clause.

 

[LolliPop]

You asked why other cases are brought up here? See YOUR post below:

In the Natalee Holloway case there were many things said by Americans that made no sense whatsoever and continue to be said.

If ever there was an example of media manipulation as well as forum distortion, the Natalee Holloway case reigns supreme.

The end result is that by the time the actual facts became known, it was too late to act upon them.
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psst !

See its in answer to the original post that brought the other case up.

 

[MaryAnn]

CA = California ?

Tot Mom ?

BTW, she was not on the first plane to Aruba.

But this is about Robyn Gardner, I don't understand why other cases are brought up here.

She was too. As soon as she found out her Daughter was missing she caught the next flight out, the same day!!! She was desperate like any normal Mother would be.

 

[LolliPop]

I know.. I am throwing fisties right now-:floorlaugh:

you may just catch one :Banane39:

 

[katydid23]

psst !

See its in answer to the original post that brought the other case up.

I know. Just saying that you are also talking about other cases.

 

[Nova]

You asked why other cases are brought up here? See YOUR post below:

In the Natalee Holloway case there were many things said by Americans that made no sense whatsoever and continue to be said.

If ever there was an example of media manipulation as well as forum distortion, the Natalee Holloway case reigns supreme.

The end result is that by the time the actual facts became known, it was too late to act upon them.
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Pop was referring to a post of mine. I mentioned Natalee Holloway only because thousands of pages were posted here by Americans about Aruba; in none of them that I recall did the phrase "human trafficking" refer to transporting illegal immigrants.

So the fault was mine, but I wasn't comparing cases. I was simply referring to the only other instance I've encountered where thousands of Americans discussed how women may go missing from Aruba.

Speaking of which, does anyone have a reputable source that suggests human slavery is a significant problem in Aruba? It's a nice idea to toss around when your date disappears, but do we have any hardcore info?