ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 8

[R.U.Kidding!]

I think the bigger crime is getting money when you forged someone's signature. If he never makes a claim I doubt if anyone would go after him. If he tried to cash it in and he forged her signature I believe it's uttering. He would be presenting the document to the insurance company as if she had signed it. If she didn't sign it, it's forgery. jmo

Just curious--what about this comment?? Any attorneys in the house?

..and does ANYONE know what the "facts" are surrounding the insurance?

IF GG does not have to "try and collect" to be charged with fraud---why has he Not been charged. This is so important because without the fraud accusations where is the motive? All this speculation about why he took out this insurance is a major factor in GG looking guilty of something.

 

[LambChop]

:floorlaugh: That is all I can say about the above comment since we are not supposed to discuss anyone other than the suspect and victim. My opinion ONLY !

I think we can discuss all aspects of this case and those involved. GG asked other women to go with him to Aruba before he asked RG so that is also an important aspect for us to consider. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I think we can discuss all aspects of this case and those involved. GG asked other women to go with him to Aruba before he asked RG so that is also an important aspect for us to consider. jmo

Well ok than, LC, if you say so!
Then MY opinion of this mother/daughter team would be far from "warm and fuzzy" . I find it interesting that the same people who condemn GG for having his sons support him on T.V., see nothing wrong with a mother placing her daughter on T.V. in connection with a sexual predator. If I recall the daughter actually said NOTHING, her mother did all the talking, and I got the distinct impression she was using that appearance as an addition to her daughters "modeling" portfolio. Mom looked pretty decked out too, maybe she was working on a portfolio..:cat: MEEEOWWW--I know a little "catty" of me

Furthermore what kind of mother allows her daughter to post seductive pictures of herself on a website that would allow men to get the impression it's ok to proposition her to pose for him on location?

 

[LambChop]

Well ok than, LC, if you say so!
Then MY opinion of this mother/daughter team would be far from "warm and fuzzy" . I find it interesting that the same people who condemn GG for having his sons support him on T.V., see nothing wrong with a mother placing her daughter on T.V. in connection with a sexual predator. If I recall the daughter actually said NOTHING, her mother did all the talking, and I got the distinct impression she was using that appearance as an addition to her daughters "modeling" portfolio. Mom looked pretty decked out too, maybe she was working on a portfolio..:cat: MEEEOWWW--I know a little "catty" of me

Furthermore what kind of mother allows her daughter to post seductive pictures of herself on a website that would allow men to get the impression it's ok to proposition her to pose for him on location?

Could we just keep the personal comments out of our discussions? Thanks.

I did not see this program and was only commenting that if it had to do with someone else getting the same invitation as RG received from GG to do to Aruba it is something that can be discussed. If not I'm sure we would be told we are off topic. My intent was only to mention we could discuss it not that I was interested in doing so.

As I said, I did not see the program but I think if GG did ask a number of women to join him in Aruba and finally ended up with RG, she was obviously his last choice which leads me to believe they were not in any type of signifcant relationship and certainly not his partner. And didn't GG say himself that they were just friends and that she sometimes would just come over to get away from some issues she was having with someone she was living with at the time. That may have been his last interview, I'm not sure. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Just curious--what about this comment?? Any attorneys in the house?

..and does ANYONE know what the "facts" are surrounding the insurance?

IF GG does not have to "try and collect" to be charged with fraud---why has he Not been charged. This is so important because without the fraud accusations where is the motive? All this speculation about why he took out this insurance is a major factor in GG looking guilty of something.

I don't think the form was notarized so there is no proof RG signed it. However, once GG tries to execute the claim he could be charged if he knows she did not sign the form and the FBI can prove it. He doesn't have to be charged with forgery, he could be charged with insurance fraud, too, if they have enough significant evidence. GG is still considered the primary suspect in RG's disappearance in Aruba and could keep it open for years as they have done with NH.

"Hard fraud occurs when someone deliberately plans or invents a loss."

JMO

 

[MaryAnn]

:floorlaugh: That is all I can say about the above comment since we are not supposed to discuss anyone other than the suspect and victim. My opinion ONLY !

I could be wrong. I didn't see the Daughters pictures nor did I see them. I only heard the phone call between NG and the Mother. The Mother seemed to be very protective over the Daughter and did intercept the call. This doesn't make GG's attempt to take them both to Aruba any less slimy. He wanted to do them both and take pics of it. :banghead:

 

[rossva]

How is it obvious she was his last choice? That sounds kind of demeaning to RG. What is obvious is that RG was the first of his choices to agree to go with him. For all we know, GG could have a little black book full of names he was going to ask till he got a yes.

As I said, I did not see the program but I think if GG did ask a number of women to join him in Aruba and finally ended up with RG, she was obviously his last choice which leads me to believe they were not in any type of signifcant relationship and certainly not his partner.

 

[LambChop]

How is it obvious she was his last choice? That sounds kind of demeaning to RG. What is obvious is that RG was the first of his choices to agree to go with him. For all we know, GG could have a little black book full of names he was going to ask till he got a yes.

I think that is because all these women are coming forward stating they had been asked to go away with him, too. Either on a cruise or to Aruba. She was his last choice because she is the one who went with him. jmo

 

[Sapphire]

I think that is because all these women are coming forward stating they had been asked to go away with him, too. Either on a cruise or to Aruba. She was his last choice because she is the one who went with him. jmo

And why always Aruba?? :waitasec:

 

[LambChop]

And why always Aruba?? :waitasec:

I'm not sure where the cruises were going. Not sure why he picked Aruba other than the NH case and he knew they never found NH body so that could be why he picked Aruba. jmo

 

[LambChop]

How is it obvious she was his last choice? That sounds kind of demeaning to RG. What is obvious is that RG was the first of his choices to agree to go with him. For all we know, GG could have a little black book full of names he was going to ask till he got a yes.

Not sure why it would be demeaning to RG. She just happened to say "yes" and from her texts to RF it looks as if she was beginning to regret her decision. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I don't think the form was notarized so there is no proof RG signed it. However, once GG tries to execute the claim he could be charged if he knows she did not sign the form and the FBI can prove it. He doesn't have to be charged with forgery, he could be charged with insurance fraud, too, if they have enough significant evidence. GG is still considered the primary suspect in RG's disappearance in Aruba and could keep it open for years as they have done with NH.

"Hard fraud occurs when someone deliberately plans or invents a loss."

JMO

..but do we have any facts backing up the claim of GG "deliberately planning or inventing the loss", if that is indeed the legal definition.

Seems to me if "fraud" was the intent GG would have reacted very differently on the hours/ days after RG's disappearance. How So??

He would already have KNOWN what procedures to follow after the fact.

No reason to contact an "attorney"
No reason to call Amex 4 times to know what was expected of him.
Certainly no reason to "sound excited, like he won the lottery"

a) he would of know this type of reaction would immediately cause suspicion.
b) I also believe he would of had a better story concocted , one that was not open to so much "speculation"
c) I also believe he would of researched the area better to know the tides, where to go to report her disappearance, etc.
d) and if he planned this why be running around at the last minute getting signitures faxed over to AMEX.
To me this does not seem as if He deliberately planned anything.

 

[LambChop]

..but do we have any facts backing up the claim of GG "deliberately planning or inventing the loss", if that is indeed the legal definition.

Seems to me if "fraud" was the intent GG would have reacted very differently on the hours/ days after RG's disappearance. How So??

He would already have KNOWN what procedures to follow after the fact.

No reason to contact an "attorney"
No reason to call Amex 4 times to know what was expected of him.
Certainly no reason to "sound excited, like he won the lottery"

a) he would of know this type of reaction would immediately cause suspicion.
b) I also believe he would of had a better story concocted , one that was not open to so much "speculation"
c) I also believe he would of researched the area better to know the tides, where to go to report her disappearance, etc.
d) and if he planned this why be running around at the last minute getting signitures faxed over to AMEX.
To me this does not seem as if He deliberately planned anything.

I don't know. Maybe this was his first time trying this type of thing. Sometimes you make a lot of mistakes the first time you try something new (the term "poor planning" comes to mind). No one said he was a genius. Plus I think the truth would have flowed out a lot easier because the facts are so much easier to remember. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I think that is because all these women are coming forward stating they had been asked to go away with him, too. Either on a cruise or to Aruba. She was his last choice because she is the one who went with him. jmo

I think these women coming forward were not ALL talking about this particular trip--but prior trips---perhaps the Mother/daughter team were this Aruba trip, but don't think any others were in line for this trip. Surely not as many as some would have you believe to make the statement "he was begging " for company.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I don't know. Maybe this was his first time trying this type of thing. Sometimes you make a lot of mistakes the first time you try something new (the term "poor planning" comes to mind). No one said he was a genius. Plus I think the truth would have flowed out a lot easier because the facts are so much easier to remember. jmo

......as stated many times here, this was not his first time at the dance. He had taken insurance policies out on many of his prior trips. Trips , some here, have suggested should be looked at more closely-- like where he has been and any missing persons??? Like he is a serial killer.

I don't think you can have it both ways---"he's an idiot" --but somehow the "idiot" was a deliberate "planner" of insurance fraud involving murder in another country.:waitasec:

 

[LambChop]

I think these women coming forward were not ALL talking about this particular trip--but prior trips---perhaps the Mother/daughter team were this Aruba trip, but don't think any others were in line for this trip. Surely not as many as some would have you believe to make the statement "he was begging " for company.

GG is reported as being in serious financial trouble so how many trips do we think he may have had planned. My understanding was he was able to finally get RG to agree to go and he booked the trip and it was done so fast that he did not have time to mail in the insurance form but had to fax it before they left the next day. Sounds more like he was planning this as he was going along since the other women refused to go with him. If he was not "begging" than why did he get so angry with RG when she said she did not want to do a cruise with him in April. Her friends claim he was really angry with her. For someone who has no money and can't pay his child support he seems to plan an awful lot of trips???????? jmo

 

[LambChop]

......as stated many times here, this was not his first time at the dance. He had taken insurance policies out on many of his prior trips. Trips , some here, have suggested should be looked at more closely-- like where he has been and any missing persons??? Like he is a serial killer.

I don't think you can have it both ways---"he's an idiot" --but somehow the "idiot" was a deliberate "planner" of insurance fraud involving murder in another country.:waitasec:

You don't have to have a PHD to perpetrate insurance fraud. The insurance companies have designated departments that handle just fraud. And from what we know of his statements and facts that have been presented we know he did not think it through.

Plus I never said GG was an idiot, not my words. I'd say inexperienced which would lead to conflicting information when you try to fit your stories around the facts known after the event. This is exactly what we are seeing here. He's not doing too well. Scam artist fool people everyday because someone thinks that what they are saying makes sense, while the majority sense it is a scam. jmo

 

[MaryAnn]

GG is reported as being in serious financial trouble so how many trips do we think he may have had planned. My understanding was he was able to finally get RG to agree to go and he booked the trip and it was done so fast that he did not have time to mail in the insurance form but had to fax it before they left the next day. Sounds more like he was planning this as he was going along since the other women refused to go with him. If he was not "begging" than why did he get so angry with RG when she said she did not want to do a cruise with him in April. Her friends claim he was really angry with her. For someone who has no money and can't pay his child support he seems to plan an awful lot of trips???????? jmo

Good point LambChop! Really, if he was so broke why is he going to Aruba? Wouldn't you think he would be more concerned with paying his child support if he was such a caring Father like everyone claims he is. He was probably furious about the Cruise because it would have been easier for GG to dispose of RG on a cruise ship. One good push, and bye bye! Now I'm convinced he is quilty as sin.

 

[LambChop]

Good point LambChop! Really, if he was so broke why is he going to Aruba? Wouldn't you think he would be more concerned with paying his child support if he was such a caring Father like everyone claims he is. He was probably furious about the Cruise because it would have been easier for GG to dispose of RG on a cruise ship. One good push, and bye bye! Now I'm convinced he is quilty as sin.

And it's just not one or two little things that are out of sync. There is a long list of questions that there are no answers to. When he tries to answer them they create more questions. The truth is just not that complicated.

His past history is also high up there on why he is a suspect. Too much points to this not just a nice pleasure trip for the two of them. His violent past is a strong indicator that something is not the way he wants it to appear.

Think about it. Someone plan's a trip to small island surrounded by water. They take out a large life insurance policy along with regular trip insurance on both traveling parties. Your friend drowns mysteriously and you can't explain it because you were fighting rough waters trying to get back to shore thinking she is right behind you. In theory, how can you go wrong. How can anyone prove differently??? The devil is in the details..... Give too much information (maybe because you had too much to drink, hmmmmm) whatever the reason investigators pick up on the inconsistencies. KISS. Once you give too much LE will be on to you and you become a suspect. And what did JB say..."he's giving too much detail." jmo

 

[MaryAnn]

And it's just not one or two little things that are out of sync. There is a long list of questions that there are no answers to. When he tries to answer them they create more questions. The truth is just not that complicated.

His past history is also high up there on why he is a suspect. Too much points to this not just a nice pleasure trip for the two of them. His violent past is a strong indicator that something is not the way he wants it to appear.

Think about it. Someone plan's a trip to small island surrounded by water. They take out a large life insurance policy along with regular trip insurance on both traveling parties. Your friend drowns mysteriously and you can't explain it because you were fighting rough waters trying to get back to shore thinking she is right behind you. In theory, how can you go wrong. How can anyone prove differently??? The devil is in the details..... Give too much information (maybe because you had too much to drink, hmmmmm) whatever the reason investigators pick up on the inconsistencies. KISS. Once you give too much LE will be on to you and you become a suspect. And what did JB say..."he's giving too much detail." jmo

Your explanation is perfect. I just hope and pray he doesn't get away with it. There are way too many people getting away with murder now a days!! It's infuriating