ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

[neesaki]

how many times have I heard that the Arubans would know things, you know info, rumours
Not true or at least I am hearing nothing

But i will tell you, according to them, there are many areas in the general location of robyns disappearance that is very accessable JMO

BBM. Are you there now, Dushi ? What do you mean, areas on land, in the water, both? TIA

 

[neesaki]

It would be good if totally neutral commentators had to give their unbiased point of views.

To continually have media talking heads and selective commentators weighing in with what is clearly a rehearsed interview does nothing to help a victim.

Did you see the video? Dr. Welner's opinion was totally unbiased, of course, that's JMO.

 

[LolliPop]

how many times have I heard that the Arubans would know things, you know info, rumours
Not true or at least I am hearing nothing

But i will tell you, according to them, there are many areas in the general location of robyns disappearance that is very accessable JMO

Are you saying (according to them) that its possible that the area where GG said they entered the water, is a place where spear fishermen are easily able to enter the water to spearfish with lots of rocks but very accessable to get onto a reef. Then probably drops way off becoming very deep.

just asking ?

 

[LolliPop]

Did you see the video? Dr. Welner's opinion was totally unbiased, of course, that's JMO.

Welner did appear to be more focused on the reality of the situation than the other guy who although he did try to conceal his bias but ultimately exposed himself as he went on.

I am hesitant to agree about whether he has no remorse as opposed to not showing his remorse which I believe he has shown.

With regard to him showing anger as opposed to remorse, that is subjective and can be interpreted by onlookers as they would want it to appear.

To be perfectly honest, if that were me, I would have not been as nice to the talking heads who clearly are not neutral.

I would have in no uncertain terms have been more direct and to the point, stated my case and told the talking heads what happened and excused myself without allowing them to dictate the terms of the interview.

But in answer to your question about Dr Welner, Yes, the man was clearly more competent than the other one.

 

[Micheline]

-snipped a bit by me-

I think it is closer to C. A would be the start of Rodger's Beach going left and Nanki would be around B and Rocky Point is at the very end. Rocky Point is named because it's obvious, I guess. It's at the point and rocky.... So I think what the locals are saying it is Nanki Beach out near Rocky Point because they would understand the location more than we would.

Lambchop, I have tried to figure out where everything was located (especially the place where they allegedly went snorkeling) in the beginning of this case, and then it seemed Roger Beach would be way up left on the picture above and Nanki just a little bit more to the South yet not close to "rocky point".

If you look below at the google pictures you can see how confusing it is to try to figure that out going by satellite pictures:

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I think it was shown that he was in a very bad place financially. He was desperate for cash at that time. So I think her death was a direct result of the life insurance policy, imo.

And he was NOT emotionally invested in her at all. That is why he could carry out the deed, imo.

BBM

Yes , you are right if it was purely for the insurance. The theory that it was all about anger over the text to RF was what I was referring to--I know, I really came out of left field with that thought. LOL. I have a tendency to switch thought processes in mid sentence:crazy: Sorry.

 

[LambChop]

-snipped a bit by me-



Lambchop, I have tried to figure out where everything was located (especially the place where they allegedly went snorkeling) in the beginning of this case, and then it seemed Roger Beach would be way up left on the picture above and Nanki just a little bit more to the South yet not close to "rocky point".

If you look below at the google pictures you can see how confusing it is to try to figure that out going by satellite pictures:

Yes, I know it is confusing. I believe Nanki is a location name and each of the sections of beaches is named differently. So there is Nanki Beach, Rodger's Beach, Baby Beach and Rocki Point.

My understanding has always been that Rodger's Beach was on the other side of the Clubhouse where the fishing piers are and that is where it shows up on the google map. The person from the dive shop made reference to it as a point most of the divers go into the water because of the sandy bottom. GG claims he was out on the peninsula (only one there) and LE describes it as Rocky Point. GG claims he ran 100 yards back towards the restaurant. In the video you see him entering from the left which would be from the direction of peninsula. So it is that strip you see that runs in an easterly direction because it is the only peninsula in that location at Baby Beach.

This is Rodger's Beach and if you google it the location comes up as the same as Nanki, Aruba. jmo
http://www.arubabound.com/photos/bch/rodgers.htm

 

[LambChop]

Spear fishing in Aruba is not legal, nor will you find any shop renting equipment to do so there.......when in Aruba and on THEIR REEFS remember........TAKE ONLY PICTURES, LEAVE ONLY BUBBLES AND KILL ONLY TIME !!!!

A big no no.......

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/spear-fishing-aruba-6086/

 

[katydid23]

BBM

Yes , you are right if it was purely for the insurance. The theory that it was all about anger over the text to RF was what I was referring to--I know, I really came out of left field with that thought. LOL. I have a tendency to switch thought processes in mid sentence:crazy: Sorry.

I think it was a little bit of both. I have known men like GG. Men who treat women like he did,with vindictiveness and as sexual objects. And even if he was not invested in her emotionally, he would probably take great offense to reading a text in which she seemed to be 'disrespecting' him. imo I think that might have sent him into a rage, which would trigger his original plan into motion.

 

[LambChop]

BBM

Yes , you are right if it was purely for the insurance. The theory that it was all about anger over the text to RF was what I was referring to--I know, I really came out of left field with that thought. LOL. I have a tendency to switch thought processes in mid sentence:crazy: Sorry.

Yes, I could see that if he had access to her phone. She did go to the ladies room before they left without her purse so he could have taken a peek. jmo

 

[LolliPop]

Just a small correction is needed.

The locals do spearfish in deep water off the North coast and other deep areas. I would not recommend it at all and it should also be taken into considerations that WHEN it is done, it is normally with the dinner-table in mind and not sport.


I just thought I wold clarify the statement and assure you that you could spearfish, however it is in deep terrain.

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/spear-fishing-aruba-6086/

 

[LambChop]

Just a small correction is needed.

The locals do spearfish in deep water off the North coast and other deep areas. I would not recommend it at all and it should also be taken into considerations that WHEN it is done, it is normally with the dinner-table in mind and not sport.


I just thought I wold clarify the statement and assure you that you could spearfish, however it is in deep terrain.

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/spear-fishing-aruba-6086/

From your post I thought you were referencing the area where GG and RG were suppose to be snorkeling and that is not permitted. jmo

 

[LolliPop]

From your post I thought you were referencing the area where GG and RG were suppose to be snorkeling and that is not permitted. jmo

Its not relevant if spearfishing is legal or not.

If its illegal then so be it, people should not do it but with regards to my post, the legality of it is irrelevant.

The point being made is that area is accessible as I thought it would be.

Not quite sure why you say that snorkeling is not permitted.

 

[Micheline]

Yes, I know it is confusing. I believe Nanki is a location name and each of the sections of beaches is named differently. So there is Nanki Beach, Rodger's Beach, Baby Beach and Rocki Point.

OK, so then Nanki Beach is not at Nanki but the area south of Rodgers Beach.
From what I have read "Rocky Point" is not an official name and has never been used anywhere by anyone only by the owner of Benth page (imo).

My understanding has always been that Rodger's Beach was on the other side of the Clubhouse where the fishing piers are and that is where it shows up on the google map. The person from the dive shop made reference to it as a point most of the divers go into the water because of the sandy bottom. GG claims he was out on the peninsula (only one there) and LE describes it as Rocky Point.

I have not read GG said he was out on the peninsula, imo he said he was at the beach behind the Rum Reef. I have not seen LE referencing to the area as rocky point, only the jads owner talked about the car being parked at a rocky path.
IMO so many things have been unclear from the start, even the hotel they were staying was mentioned wrongly as being the Renaissance.

GG claims he ran 100 yards back towards the restaurant. In the video you see him entering from the left which would be from the direction of peninsula. So it is that strip you see that runs in an easterly direction because it is the only peninsula in that location at Baby Beach.

If he ran from Rodgers Beach at the opposite end he would come from the left too.
I appreciate you trying to point out the area, I just wish it would have been pointed out more clear by the media and ALE from the start.

This is Rodger's Beach and if you google it the location comes up as the same as Nanki, Aruba. jmo
http://www.arubabound.com/photos/bch/rodgers.htm

Thanks, I have seen also on the satellite pics that Nanki is almost at the exact location as Rodgers Beach.

Btw, often times we have seen the refinery in the back of the images, in order for that to be the case they had to be positioned at the beginning of Rodgers Beach/Nanki Beach, not at the "rocky point" since from there no view on the refinery (IMO) :

 

[LambChop]

No, I think my post was misunderstood. I was not saying snorkeling was not permitted only that spearfishing would not be permitted in the area where GG and RR were suppose to be snorkeling. I was referring to spearfishing in answer to the question posted. It is illegal in the coastal areas where you would be snorkeling. Aruban's are very enviromentally conscious. They protect their sea turtle nests on the beach by putting up road block sawhorses around the nests. There is a natural life preserve area for birds on the Northern end of the island and a park at the southern end protects the parrots, donkeys and other wild life that lives on the island.

The reef area north of the island is pretty far out and may even be in international waters, I'm not sure. I have been out there and you can see the raised area where the reefs are located but it is pretty far out to sea.

 

[LolliPop]

I was just saying that it would be a good place to spearfish, nothing more, if its illegal, don't do it.

 

[Nova]

Too many inconsistencies for me. I think one of the eeriest moments in the that GMA interview was when Robin asked him if he was planning on claiming the insurance and he waited for a few seconds before answering and then said "I'm thinking about it." Not, "Robin, I'm really not interested in that money" but "I'm thinking about it." I'm willing to bet at that very moment JB would have liked to have crawled under a rock....

Of course, JB should have anticipated the question and prepared GG to answer it.

To be fair, innocent people collect on life insurance policies all the time. Assuming GG is innocent (something I doubt), in those few seconds he had to be thinking, "If I say yes, I'll sound callous, but if I say no, somebody will be sure to replay this interview someday when I collect on the policy."

I think the fact that he took out so much insurance on RG is very suspicious.

The fact that someday he may collect on insurance he has purchased doesn't bother me (unless, of course, he commits fraud in doing so).

 

[vlpate]

Of course, JB should have anticipated the question and prepared GG to answer it.

To be fair, innocent people collect on life insurance policies all the time. Assuming GG is innocent (something I doubt), in those few seconds he had to be thinking, "If I say yes, I'll sound callous, but if I say no, somebody will be sure to replay this interview someday when I collect on the policy."

I think the fact that he took out so much insurance on RG is very suspicious.

The fact that someday he may collect on insurance he has purchased doesn't bother me (unless, of course, he commits fraud in doing so).

He also said the thought of the policy now makes him sick (something to that effect) because he wouldn't have gone to jail had it not been for that policy...?? I'm not sure when he said this, but I do know I read it.

 

[vlpate]

IMO so many things have been unclear from the start, even the hotel they were staying was mentioned wrongly as being the Renaissance.

Respectfully snipped....just wanted to give you a head's up:
http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/auabr-renaissance-aruba-resort-and-casino/

 

[LambChop]

OK, so then Nanki Beach is not at Nanki but the area south of Rodgers Beach.
From what I have read "Rocky Point" is not an official name and has never been used anyone by anywhere only by the owner of Benth page (imo).



I have not read GG said he was out on the peninsula, imo he said he was at the beach behind the Rum Reef. I have not seen LE referencing to the area as rocky point, only the jads owner talked about the car being parked at a rocky path.
IMO so many things have been unclear from the start, even the hotel they were staying was mentioned wrongly as being the Renaissance.

If he ran from Rodgers Beach at the opposite end he would come from the left too.
I appreciate you trying to point out the area, I just wish it would have been pointed out more clear by the media and ALE from the start.



Thanks, I have seen also on the satellite pics that Nanki is almost at the exact location as Rodgers Beach.

Btw, often times we have seen the refinery in the back of the images, in order for that to be the case they had to be positioned at the beginning of Rodgers Beach/Nanki Beach, not at the "rocky point" since from there no view on the refinery (IMO) :

No. Nanki, Aruba is the area where the beaches are located. Just as up by the high rise hotels. It is one long beach but if you are at the beach near the Divi it's called Manchebo Beach and then it becomes Eagle Beach and the names keep changing as you go up the beach. It's not like the beach at Atlantic City. The names change.

No. Rocky Point is what they named the portion of the beach area. Why they have different names, I have no idea, except that they have different names.

He was not on Rodger's Beach even the dive shop owner claims he would have thought that is where they would go into the water. There is only one peninsula and that is where the witnesses, GG and LE claim to have been. GG is the one who showed LE where he went into the water and LE claimed it was out near Rocky Point.

The Renaissance is owned by the Marriett and it is downtown. They were staying downtown from what I understand. The other Marriett is up past the highrise hotels and is a big hotel with timeshare units. I think posters assumed they were staying at the highrise Marriett because they had attended the beach party right behind the Marriett. LE never stated they were staying anywhere other than where they were staying.

The refinery is on the other side of Rodger's Beach so it would be north west of Rocky Point. So if you were to walk from Rocky point west on the peninsula you would come to the clubhouse and the refinery would be off at a distance on the other side of the cove at Rodger's Beach. Baby Beach is not at Rodger's Beach it is east of the clubhouse. If you look on the google map the Rum Reef has a fan shaped front to the building which I think we can see in the video. GG was coming from an easterly direction from the peninsula. Rodger's Beach is on the other side of the Clubhouse which is west of the restaurant.

I don't know how to explain it except I've been there and with what has been reported I know exactly where they are talking about. I can only verify that what they are saying is true. Not that they would have a reason to lie or distort the truth. Those rocks are indeed there. And I do know it is hard to visualize if you have not been there yourself. jmo