Atlantic City Eastbound Strangler 4 Women Found Dead behind Motel Egg Harbor Twp, Nov 2006

[LR1]

Yes, he goes by just ismail coles on FB, last post was 10/9/16, he has an older page using charles ismail coles (2013).

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And goes by Ish on yet a third.

 

[kat913]

I still can't shake the idea that it was someone who was in AC for that period of time only (Oct 7-Nov 19 I believe). What profession would bring you into town for that period only? If I have dates right, Molly disappeared on a Sat (10/7); Barbara on Tuesday (10/17); Tracey anywhere from Tuesday -Friday (11/7-11/10?) and Kim Sunday morning (11-19).

So 1st and last disappeared on a weekend (favoring a Saturday)....2nd and 3rd during the week (Perhaps favoring a Tuesday)

Just thinking out loud

Please correct me if wrong dates or if they actually are questionable.

 

[Kellyd]

I still can't shake the idea that it was someone who was in AC for that period of time only (Oct 7-Nov 19 I believe). What profession would bring you into town for that period only? If I have dates right, Molly disappeared on a Sat (10/7); Barbara on Tuesday (10/17); Tracey anywhere from Tuesday -Friday (11/7-11/10?) and Kim Sunday morning (11-19).

So 1st and last disappeared on a weekend (favoring a Saturday)....2nd and 3rd during the week (Perhaps favoring a Tuesday)

Just thinking out loud

Please correct me if wrong dates or if they actually are questionable.

Were there any conventions at the convention center?

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[Kellyd]

Interesting article by The NY Post dated November 25, 2006 concerning Tracy Ann Roberts.
http://nypost.com/2006/11/25/atl-city-gal-died-with-pal-2nd-strangler-victim/

'Friends of the second victim who saw her autopsy photo, said they are convinced she is a 23-year-old Philadelphia native, who was last seen by her roommate Oct 27.

“She was real pretty,” said Charles Coles, 40, who lived with the woman in an Atlantic City flophouse at the time she vanished. “Her and Kim were friends.”'

Later:

'The last time Coles saw the women was on Oct. 27 – which was a big night in the gambling mecca because the Sands casino was shutting down. He said that night, a trick went bad for the sex-world newcomer and she wound up going to an emergency room after a beating.

“A john punched her in the throat,” Coles said. “She was spitting blood and she had just gotten out [when he saw her]. She looked OK.”'

First off I'm going have to call Mr. Coles on his recollection of dates. In every report I've read it was Nov 8th that Ms. Roberts checked into a hospital so the Oct. 27th date doesn't cut it. Also The Sands Casino closed on Sat. Nov 11th and yes, I agree, it was a big deal that it was closing.

To a lot of folks, myself included, The Sands was their favorite casino. It was grungy enough but had a certain Rat Pack feel about it. The bartenders wore purple pork-pie hats and sometimes did those flips with the bottles that Tom Cruise did in that movie Cocktail. So it was sad when it was announced that it was closing.

Rumor had it that the slots were paying off big because they had to move the machines and that the dealers didn't care how much anyone won because they were headed to the unemployment line anyway. Rumors of course but it would be a lot more crowded than usual.

So, if the time-line is adjusted to fit known facts I could see Mr. Coles meeting up with Ms. Roberts on Friday the 10th of Nov. If she disappeared on that day it might be a bit longer than the Medical Examiners determination of her being in the ditch 'up to a week'. If it was that day then it would be 10 days.

As always, just my opinion.

This article says ms. Roberts called her mom on 11/8/06 and asked her to pick her up in AC, but changed her mind.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nj.c...later_the_atlantic_city_serial_killer_rem.amp

"Roberts, a high school dropout from Delaware, wanted out of the life she had made for herself. On Nov. 8, 2006, she called her mother to pick her up in Atlantic City, The Star-Ledger previously reported. Then she changed her mind. Within days, she was dead. She also left a daughter."

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[cynical_1]

This article says ms. Roberts called her mom on 11/8/06 and asked her to pick her up in AC, but changed her mind.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nj.c...later_the_atlantic_city_serial_killer_rem.amp

"Roberts, a high school dropout from Delaware, wanted out of the life she had made for herself. On Nov. 8, 2006, she called her mother to pick her up in Atlantic City, The Star-Ledger previously reported. Then she changed her mind. Within days, she was dead. She also left a daughter."

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I take it you're referring to the call she made to her mother from the hospital that day (11/08/06). Sad she didn't wait for her mother. The person who would know the exact date she dissappeared is named Dante.

Sometime in mid-November, a street hustler named Dante said he went clothes shopping with Tracy Roberts. She bought the outfit she was wearing when her body was found.

"She said, 'I'll be back in like a hour,'" Dante remembers. "She never came back."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/beyond-the-boardwalk/4/

 

[cynical_1]

I still can't shake the idea that it was someone who was in AC for that period of time only (Oct 7-Nov 19 I believe). What profession would bring you into town for that period only? If I have dates right, Molly disappeared on a Sat (10/7); Barbara on Tuesday (10/17); Tracey anywhere from Tuesday -Friday (11/7-11/10?) and Kim Sunday morning (11-19).

So 1st and last disappeared on a weekend (favoring a Saturday)....2nd and 3rd during the week (Perhaps favoring a Tuesday)

Just thinking out loud

Please correct me if wrong dates or if they actually are questionable.

A good bet might be poker tournaments. A quick check and I see the Taj Mahal held a Texas Hold'em tournament on Oct 7th, 2006.
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tournaments/764-2006-u-s-poker-championship

 

[Milano4me]

There was a woman found dead in a laundry chute inside the Atlantic Palace complex on the boardwalk on Nov 1st, 2015. It's difficult to determine if it was a suicide or something more suspicious because once the family identified the woman news reports end.
http://www.nj.com/salem/index.ssf/2015/11/salem_county_woman_found_dead_in_ac_was_well-loved.html

There was actually a similar incident concerning a woman's death in a laundry chute in Las Vegas and that was ruled an accidental death.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/new-details-surface-laundry-chute-death

On another note, possibly one of the last photos of Tara Rogers-Alicia taken while she was alive was a selfie she took in a room at the Borgata. That would involve Steven Stallworth. That case is ongoing and has been discussed at length here.

Thanks for ur reply. Just checking if any women were killed inside the AC Hotels as well.

 

[Kellyd]

I take it you're referring to the call she made to her mother from the hospital that day (11/08/06). Sad she didn't wait for her mother. The person who would know the exact date she dissappeared is named Dante.

Sometime in mid-November, a street hustler named Dante said he went clothes shopping with Tracy Roberts. She bought the outfit she was wearing when her body was found.

"She said, 'I'll be back in like a hour,'" Dante remembers. "She never came back."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/beyond-the-boardwalk/4/

Another good article that says she left the hospital with two unidentified men.

"Roberts had decided not to wait around for her getaway car. Before her mom arrived, she checked herself out of the hospital and returned to the streets in the company of two unidentified men, the mother said.

Her body was found less than two weeks later."

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nj.c...archives_who_were_the_atlantic_city_seria.amp


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[JerseyGirl]

Here are some of the headlines from the Press of Atlantic City:

October 2006:
https://www.highbeam.com/publications/press-of-atlantic-city-p62253/october-2006

November 2006:
https://www.highbeam.com/publications/press-of-atlantic-city-p62253/november-2006/

 

[Aleph]

A good bet might be poker tournaments. A quick check and I see the Taj Mahal held a Texas Hold'em tournament on Oct 7th, 2006.
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tournaments/764-2006-u-s-poker-championship

Yeah. Losing in a poker tournament is a blow to the ego. It would then have the perp for a week (or however long) with nothing to do.


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[da fino]

I take it you're referring to the call she made to her mother from the hospital that day (11/08/06). Sad she didn't wait for her mother. The person who would know the exact date she dissappeared is named Dante.

Sometime in mid-November, a street hustler named Dante said he went clothes shopping with Tracy Roberts. She bought the outfit she was wearing when her body was found.

"She said, 'I'll be back in like a hour,'" Dante remembers. "She never came back."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/beyond-the-boardwalk/4/

again with the "i'll be back in in like a hour" scenario.

she left to turn a trick or pick up drugs or more likely both.

not granted, in the lifestyle, i imagine these women said things like this a lot without ever necessarily meaning it or intending to follow through, but i feel confident that that is what they were intending to go do just prior to their disappearances.

my money is on the john that made it easy for them. he either had the drugs for them already, or they knew he was always flush with the cash they needed for the next fix.

as mentioned previously, we probably shouldn't rule out the drug dealers either. especially if there was one willing to offer drugs for sex with a kink.

 

[kat913]

Just from quick look....the weekend of October 7 was experiencing a Nor'eastern so it was very windy and rainy plus coastal flood warnings. So, if Molly was out in that weather....a warm car and kindness would have been appealing plus the "ditch" would have held more than a few inches of water (IMO) and would have been quite wet, marshy and muddy! Hmmm maybe a good time to be out...cuz others would not have been!

https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-1141946571.html

 

[Muttley]

Ironic that you mention trucks and the soup kitchen. Just this morning I was checking on news reports for deliveries to the soup kitchen and came across this article.

"Every day, the Food Bank delivers leftovers from Trump Taj Mahal to the church. On Fridays, Trump Marina, Trump Plaza and the Sands contribute leftovers."
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2002/dec/23/gamblers-help-themselves-at-atlantic-city-soup-kit/

Reading that description I took it that the driver making the delivery didn't necessarily work for the Taj Mahal but rather a Food Bank. A quick check and I found The Community Foodbank of New Jersey located at 6735 E Black Horse Pike.

Wow great find!

 

[kat913]

Okay just to say we left no rock unturned....This is an article from AC news 11/21/2006

"There is a special time of the stars. It is a time when the brightest constellation rises gloriously on the east horizon. It is a time when the farthest thing that most people can ever see with the unaided eye is right overhead. It is a time we can call "the Andromeda Hour."

In late November, the Andromeda Hour happens at about 8:30 p.m. You can perhaps adequately enjoy it on a clear night this week with a pair of binoculars in the city. But let's imagine we are out in the country at the Andromeda Hour, with no tall trees near us. "

https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-1165944861.html

So just follow the idea for a minute..."Hence the blameless Andromeda came to be chained to a rock to atone for the sins of her mother, who watched from the shore with bitter remorse." http://www.ianridpath.com/startales/andromeda.htm

October 7th was a Full Moon (which we know to be very bright light) and November 20th was a New Moon (which would make stars very bright).

Just some random ideas!!

When you check out pic of Andromeda...does it resemble the posing of the women in any way? I have never seen exactly how they were laid so I am not sure.

Just a very random thought! I am always thinking and following some strange idea!

Just follow your own information about this constellation just out of curiousity.

 

[cynical_1]

Interesting speculation, brainstorming with you...
Someone the women knew enough to take a ride with and not stand out in anyone's mind if they happen to see these women getting into a vehicle. On the "track" I'm sure the other working girls would take note if they wanted to have each other's back or needed info for a pimp asking where she was seen last. With some of the victims it wasn't noticed they were missing right away and the thinking was maybe they left town.

I would think within the "community" there would be idle chat like "where's 'so-and-so' lately, haven't seen her" and "oh last I saw her was 'with ___' " or "getting into a black Nissan Maxima with out of state plates" which I cannot find the article that I recall mentions the "out of state plates".

Of course an easy way to spot out of state plates in Jersey, since Jersey and New York require front and rear plates, bordering Delaware and PA do not require front plates. So of course if you see the front of the vehicle, no plate means out of state. "What state? I don't know, I only saw the front".

So back to the "and yet nobody saw anything" situation we have here, does point to it being someone they knew, trusted to certain extent, and maybe not too noticeable an event for them to be getting into or seen with the SK. There was definitely a vehicle involved. I keep getting a work truck, no windows in the back, tradesman looking truck, blends in with all the other panel work service or delivery trucks out and about. I don't see anything unique about the vehicle like a company name, it would not work if it stood out too much, dark in color works better at night behind the Golden Key. Thinking of Cynical_1's connection to the Soup kitchen, could it be someone who did work or delivered there often? Someone who they might often catch a ride with going up or down the avenue?

As always, my opinion, just trying a line of thinking.

You've said it better that I ever could have. In 2006 Papa Joe Bocchino must be, what, 64 years old. At night, he can spot the make, color and model of a car one of these girls got into (black Nissan Maxima). Even noticed that it had out of state plates. No doubt he told the police everything he knew and probably furnished a description of the driver as well.

The point being that these four women didn't live in a vacuum. They conducted a lot of their business in an alley right there where they lived. A block with plenty of crack addicts and sex workers out and about.

Aside from that diner where they were known to gather I've always thought that the other place, the soup kitchen, where they were known to eat was a focal point. I'll post links to articles that place these individuals at the soup kitchen. It's just a hunch that I'm inclined to follow.

 

[Kellyd]

You've said it better that I ever could have. In 2006 Papa Joe Bocchino must be, what, 64 years old. At night, he can spot the make, color and model of a car one of these girls got into (black Nissan Maxima). Even noticed that it had out of state plates. No doubt he told the police everything he knew and probably furnished a description of the driver as well.

The point being that these four women didn't live in a vacuum. They conducted a lot of their business in an alley right there where they lived. A block with plenty of crack addicts and sex workers out and about.

Aside from that diner where they were known to gather I've always thought that the other place, the soup kitchen, where they were known to eat was a focal point. I'll post links to articles that place these individuals at the soup kitchen. It's just a hunch that I'm inclined to follow.

In my notes I wrote that the plates were from PA and ended with 0889. This came from Denise hill, she also mentioned he said his name was eldred. Have we ruled out ERB yet?

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[JerseyGirl]

In an attempt to locate other newsworthy information in Atlantic City during October/November 2006, the Sands Casino shut down on November 11, 2006:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sands_Atlantic_City

 

[cynical_1]

In my notes I wrote that the plates were from PA and ended with 0889. This came from Denise hill, she also mentioned he said his name was eldred. Have we ruled out ERB yet?

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Maybe Denise Hill was in the diner that morning or saw Ms. Raffo from the street.

' "The owner of Pappa Joe’s restaurant said the 35-year-old ate a last meal of eggs, sausage and cheese on a roll at about 2:30 a.m. before walking out onto Tennessee Avenue and getting into a car with out-of-state plates.

“I’m one of the last persons to see her alive,” he said. '
http://nypost.com/2006/11/23/hookers-final-moments-eatery-witness-tells-of-230-a-m-meal-roadside-pickup-as-serial-strangler-fear-grips-atlantic-city/

That would make two witnesses who saw her get into that car. The folks in the area notice things which makes it puzzling why no one has seen them get into a vehicle from which they would never be seen alive again.

That encounter was at 2:30 am but she was known to be alive at 5:00 am so it's a question if that car was driven by the SK. - Just my opinion.

 

[Muttley]

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/top_story/story/6979898p-6840774c.html

Raffo last seen with 3 men in van, friend says
‘I'm real nervous about giving you this because I don't want to mess up this investigation.' — Kenny Bilecki

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Raffo last seen with 3 men in van, friend says
‘I'm real nervous about giving you this because I don't want to mess up this investigation.' — Kenny Bilecki
By MICHAEL CLARK Staff Writer, (609) 272-7204 & MADELINE VITALE Staff Writer
Published: Friday, December 1, 2006
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Kenny Bilecki, who is currently incarcerated in Atlantic County jail on a drug offense, was the boyfriend of Kim Raffo, the first of four victims identified after their bodies were found last week in the West Atlantic City section of Egg Harbor Township. Another inmate told Bilecki she was with Raffo on what might have been her last night alive.
Staff photo by Anthony Smedile
It may have been her last night alive.
Kim Raffo, one of four prostitutes found dead last week behind a string of motels in West Atlantic City, was welcomed by three men as she climbed into a large green van along with another woman named Pam. The group departed on a late-night trip to several different motel rooms.

But after one of the men — a white man with greasy black hair, a dark beard and a beer belly — began assaulting the girls with insults such as “dirty ” and rambling about a 15-year prison term he served for murder, Pam decided she had heard enough and left the party. Raffo stayed.

That's the story Raffo's boyfriend, Kenny Bilecki, told The Press on Thursday during an hour-long interview at the Atlantic County jail. He said Pam — who since that night has also become incarcerated — told him the story during his midnight work shift at the jail.

“I didn't have much time to talk to her,” said Bilecki, who would not divulge Pam's last name. “I don't know the whole details of what she was in for but I do know that when she came to me ... she was beaten up pretty bad. I haven't seen her since.”




Bilecki said investigators with the Atlantic County Prosecutor's Office questioned him Monday at the jail and also interviewed Pam for more than two hours.
“I'm real nervous about giving you this because I don't want to mess up this investigation,” said Bilecki, who has served the majority of a 364-day sentence for cocaine possession.

Since the bodies were found, officials have been careful not to comment on any developments or details regarding the investigation. They have only released the identities of the four women.

“Part of this investigation is we have interviewed a lot of people,” Atlantic County Prosecutor Jeffrey S. Blitz said Thursday in response to questions about Bilecki's claims. “I am not going to say who.”

However, several city residents said investigators have been showing sketches and cell-phone pictures of a man who resembles the erratic man in Pam's story.

Denise Hill, a resort prostitute who knew some of the victims, said she recognizes the man in the pictures and said she spent the night with him at a Best Western Hotel on Pacific Avenue. She said he only being asked her to console him as he told her he had done terrible things in his past. Hill said Thursday that the man, who she claims is named Eldridge, had a Pennsylvania license plate on his car that ended with the numbers 0889.

A hotel clerk at the Best Western attempted to look up the name in the customer registry after being provided the limited information but could not find a similar listing.

On Tuesday, Charles “Ish” Coles, of Atlantic City, who was friends with Raffo, said he was worried authorities consider him a suspect. He said he has been “harassed” with questions about the homicide.

Although Coles resembles the description of the picture that is circulating, Hill insists it's not him.

Another point of interest in the investigation, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer, has been room 101 at the Golden Key Motel. Motel workers have refused to allow anyone in the room and would not give a reason for their refusal. Blitz would not comment on how the room may fit into the investigation.

Blitz said his task force, which consists of five different agencies including the FBI, has been busy since the four women — Raffo, 35, of Atlantic City; Tracy Ann Roberts, 23, of Atlantic City; Barbara V. Breidor, 42, of Ventnor; and Molly Jean Dilts, 20, of Blairsville, Pa. — were identified. Authorities said the bodies were in the marsh behind the motel for a period of about a week to a month.

Since “we released the information about the identity of the victims, we have received a good bit of information,” the prosecutor said.

Despite the first victim being identified more than a week ago, Blitz said he's still not ready to release any of the bodies, which remain in a morgue that the Atlantic County Medical Examiner's Office leases at Shore Memorial Hospital in Somers Point.

“Once we have given instructions to the medical examiner that we have no further use for the bodies, the ME will be authorized to release them,” Blitz said.

Hugh Auslander, Raffo's ex-husband, said Thursday that he has been inquiring about the release of her body.

“They're not releasing her yet,” he said. “Possibly at the end of the week. I am waiting to hear from the Medical Examiner and the Prosecutor's offices.”


Staff writers Tom Namako and Timothy Puko contributed to this report.


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I had to go back to page 5 and read about Denise Hill and this client Eldridge of hers, and the PA license plate. The links don't work but luckily some of the article is posted in the body of the post.

Things I found interesting after some of our recent lines of thinking:
Eldridge is a unique first name, most likely a surname, of course the hotel could find no record of him registered, so he used a fake name to register?
He just wanted company in a room off of the BHP and told her he did terrible things in the past, wow, sounds like he's fighting demons in his head. What happens when the demons win some of the battles!

I hope LE followed that lead as far as they could! A partial plate number is simple enough for them to find a list of owners that match.

 

[cynical_1]

“Denise Hill, a resort prostitute who knew some of the victims, said she recognizes the man in the pictures and said she spent the night with him at a Best Western Hotel on Pacific Avenue. She said he only being asked her to console him as he told her he had done terrible things in his past. Hill said Thursday that the man, who she claims is named Eldridge, had a Pennsylvania license plate on his car that ended with the numbers 0889.”

I take it that the vehicle she is describing with the PA plates is not the black Nissan Maxima that picked Ms. Raffo up at 2:30 am on Tennessee Ave.

On this thread posters are discussing the possibility that the Nissan Maxima could be a rental car.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?165352-ATLANTIC-CITY-SK-possible-link-to-LISK-and-GB4/page31

If it's a rental (Maxima) could the driver possibly be Ms. Raffo's last client the North Jersey doctor? The time frame would fit.