Attachment Disorder and Burke

[deanws]

The Ramsey's covering up the death of their daughter in order to protect their son is in itself a crime.

And that is exactly what I think they did.

 

[concernedperson]

The Ramsey's covering up the death of their daughter in order to protect their son is in itself a crime.

Yes, it is if it happened that way. These kids were too adult for such a young age. I just see so much other aspects and none of them are good. I am sorry for Jonbenet and Burke.They never really had a chance.

 

[Maikai]

The other thing I cannot understand is Lou Smit. He was reputable for solving
some 90% of murder cases or something like 150. For such an experienced, insightful, and intelligent man, how could the Ramsey's have "snowed him?"
Perhaps JR was so numb to losing his other daughter in the car accident in 92
and Patsy was such an actress that they completely put on an act for them.
And if there was a killer on the loose, why haven't we seen more child killings in
Boulder? If the intruder theory is correct, then this person would more than likely kill again.
You take someone like Mark Klass or even Pam Vitale's husband for example.
They were immediately not suspects because they fully cooperated with police.
They didn't hide behind lawyers, not even Vitale's husband.

He is a wise man. His expertise is organizing the case files.....it only took him a matter of days to recognize the abrasions as possible stun gun marks. He is one of the few investigators on the case that had the experience and track record in solving tough cases.

Mark Klass didn't live in the house, and Vitale's husband didn't need to hide behind a lawyer, because he is one!

We don't know if the intruder has hurt or killed anyone else. If he didn't commit suicide or otherwise meet his demise---he could have moved.

 

[Nehemiah]

Did they ever give Burke a lie detector test? Can you imagine the questions they could have asked him? To me, this is one of the biggest mistakes ever!! Hell, why not give Burke a lie detector test now at this age!!! ellen1

*They* never gave the parents a polygraph; the attorneys would never have agreed for BR to have been administered a polygraph.

 

[Brefie]

And that is exactly what I think they did.

Me too!

 

[Rupert]

He is a wise man. His expertise is organizing the case files.....it only took him a matter of days to recognize the abrasions as possible stun gun marks. He is one of the few investigators on the case that had the experience and track record in solving tough cases.

Mark Klass didn't live in the house, and Vitale's husband didn't need to hide behind a lawyer, because he is one!

We don't know if the intruder has hurt or killed anyone else. If he didn't commit suicide or otherwise meet his demise---he could have moved.

Strange, that nobody thought about stun gun marks until Lou showed up. Amazing that you have one cop, Steve Thomas totally convinced that the RDI while on the other hand, the experienced Lou Smit deduced that it must be an intruder. I guess that's why we are still talking here.

 

[Maikai]

Strange, that nobody thought about stun gun marks until Lou showed up. Amazing that you have one cop, Steve Thomas totally convinced that the RDI while on the other hand, the experienced Lou Smit deduced that it must be an intruder. I guess that's why we are still talking here.

Lou Smit was familiar with the Boggs case---where a stun gun was used and the abrasions were missed as stun gun marks by Doberson, the coroner. 'Course in the Bogg's case, the only possible evidence they found was the stun gun in the trunk of a suspects car, and the cops and coroner exhumed Bogg's body and matched the marks--which was the primary reason the perp was convicted. Published literature in medical circles talks about missed stun gun marks not just in death but in ER rooms. Lou originally thought it was going to be a slam dunk case that the parent's did it, but the evidence changed his mind.

 

[hollyjokers]

I guess I'll speak up as a so-called RST card-carrying member, but here is my problem: I could almost buy that BR killed his sister accidentally (or not) & the parents coming up with a fake RN to protect him, but that's where any cover-up would end IMO. Not the elaborate staging of the body, not the sexual battery, not the garrote. WHO, besides an insane person, could take any part in that activity? Think of the time it would take to abuse your beloved daughter's corpse in such a manner, to save a 9-yo, who in reality would face the absolute minimum of prosecution - if any. Why leave the body in the house at all? If you're up all night, revising your ridiculous, phony 3-page ransom note anyway, you might as well take a nice long drive & dump her in a landfill somewhere far away? If the Ramsey's are smart enough to know how to contaminate a crime scene, then surely, they could also figure out how to eliminate forensic evidence from their car. How would they possibly know the BPD would be so inept? How would they have the foresight to know the house would not be searched & sealed immediately, the visitors not turned away, Burke not permitted to leave, and all three not dragged to the police station, separated & interrogated?

 

[txsvicki]

I'm wondering if Burke would have had the physical strength necessary to actually hit a person hard enough to cause such a fracture and death? I have no idea how much force it does take but have read that the sound it would make would be very loud.

 

[ellen13]

I guess my point about Klass and Horowitz not hiding behind lawyers (and I knowHorowitz is one but could have still needed one) and even John Walsh for that matter is that I think the police can get a feel for people who are innocent because they fully cooperate and do whatever they have to do to prove their innocence and then move on.If you look at Scott Peterson or the Ramsey's, there are a lot of parallels between the two, which made them look guilty from the start.
I mean think about all of us if we were innocent of a crime. Wouldn't we be lining up to take a lie detector? If the Ramsey's could have just done this right away (if they were really innocent), they could have saved themselves all of the public scrutiny. That's what I meant by comparing this to Klass or Vitale.
They brought a lot of this on themselves, even if they are innocent.:snooty:

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I thought the garrote preceeded the head injury, seeing as how there should have been more blood in her head at the site of the injury. Her heart had already stopped beating and pumping blood when her skull was smashed, that's why there is a serious lack of the amount of blood that should have arrived at the fracture area. The vagus nerve had been pinched off by the strangulation. So if Burke hit her on the head, by accident or otherwise, he had to have been torturing her with the garrote just prior to striking her head with something hard enough to create an eight inch fracture. I do not believe Burke had JonBenet up late Christmas night for a game of doctor that includes erotic asphyxiation. An adult did that to JonBenet.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Still going off of my last post...how would Burke have known how to construct the garrote? How would he have known how to fashion it and slip it over her head and get it good and tight around her neck and start cranking it? Why would she have allowed him to do that to her? I used to play doctor when I was a child, and all we wanted to do was peek and maybe touch...we were never interested in manipulating the other's breathing with a garrote, had never even considered doing anything harmful to each other other than satisfying curiosity. That garrote situation was enacted by someone who knew how to construct it and use it, someone who had done it before, and liked doing it. Someone was so focused on their own gratification that they had no conscience getting in the way. I can't see Burke doing that to his little sister, there isn't any past history of aggression towards her predating her murder. Plus it was Christmas night...even children get tired after a long day. I just don't think this was a game of doctor gone wrong, I think it was a sick adult bent on using JB for their own sexual needs, an EA game gone wrong. I think the skull fracture was to finish her off once it was clear she was dying and couldn't be revived.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Still going off of my last post...how would Burke have known how to construct the garrote? How would he have known how to fashion it and slip it over her head and get it good and tight around her neck and start cranking it? Why would she have allowed him to do that to her? I used to play doctor when I was a child, and all we wanted to do was peek and maybe touch...we were never interested in manipulating the other's breathing with a garrote, had never even considered doing anything harmful to each other other than satisfying curiosity. That garrote situation was enacted by someone who knew how to construct it and use it, someone who had done it before, and liked doing it. Someone was so focused on their own gratification that they had no conscience getting in the way. I can't see Burke doing that to his little sister, there isn't any past history of aggression towards her predating her murder. Plus it was Christmas night...even children get tired after a long day. I just don't think this was a game of doctor gone wrong, I think it was a sick adult bent on using JB for their own sexual needs, an EA game gone wrong. I think the skull fracture was to finish her off once it was clear she was dying and couldn't be revived.

IMO you're right, except for the EA game thing. There's no evidence aside from the garrote to even suggest it. As far as the garrote itself, historically its used for quiet control and kill, not EA. The black duct tape brought along should tell you it was a premeditated murder, not a game gone wrong.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

The black duct tape was part of the staging. It showed no evidence of having been present on JonBenet when she was still alive.

The evidence of acute sexual abuse doesn't show signs of this garrote being used for a sick sex game?

 

[txsvicki]

But there doesn't seem to be enough black duct tape used, no mouth gag, and no real binding of the hands to show that an intruder actually planned much of anything ahead of time to really restrain or keep a victim quiet. I think the murder must have been premeditated though, because I don't think that it is that easy to accidentally kill someone with that type of head injury. I think that someone did not want Jon Benet to tell what they had been doing to her or had done to her that night, that they knew the family and the house or that Patsy did it.