AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #2

[Makara]

Do we know that she had been in Darwin, Alice Springs, Adelaide and Canberra based on welfare payments???... or by witness (friends) statements.... current article (grrr paywalled...suggests that she wasn't drawing welfare payments)...

I thought Bray was just asking for caravan parks, motel operators to check their records because they were assuming she may have stayed at places such as these - Not that it was fact... You have inverted commas... Did bray specifically say that?

Just asking in case I missed an article..

Yes, Des Bray is quoted as saying that at the link below. Don't forget you also have the Media/Timeline thread to refer back to if you need to find anything quickly.

He said the mother and daughter were at different times in Darwin, Alice Springs, Adelaide and Canberra.
“We know they’ve stayed in motels, caravan parks, along that route and other areas and possibly through the Murray Mallee and Riverland.
“We’re asking that all landlords, motel operators, caravan park, cabin parks have a look at your records, everything’s on computer, it’s not hard.

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...report-withdrawn/story-fnii5s3x-1227577166029

 

[Makara]

This sort of reporting or blog makes my blood boil. Who said that Karlie came from a 'very welfare depending family'? And what if that is correct? It appears that her mother was very ill, as she died at 44 years of age, and if Karlie's stepfather was with her mother, he may well have been her carer, and perfectly entitled to welfare. That is what it is available for - to hep those in need. As Karlie was not on welfare, and she had stated that she was going away for work, perhaps to the 'judges', she did actually find paid work. Until more facts emerge, then it mere speculation to suggest drug running, bikie involvement etc etc. Just so unfair to her remaining family. She is not to blame for her own murder or that of her baby daughter.

Thank you KG1 and I totally agree with you.

 

[Puggle]

lol.....there ya go.... a few different opinions..

Bikies are our slang term for people who ride motorcycles .... that appears to be agreed upon.

What each of us think Bikies do or are involved in or their "code" seems to vary.

I would suggest that each Motorcycle club has their own culture and subculture...as individual as individuals are..

 

[Makara]

MOD ALERT: There is no indication to date that bikie gangs are involved in this case. There is also no indication or proof that Karlie was involved in drug running. The thread is moving off topic so leave the bikie and drug speculation out.

 

[Puggle]

Yes, Des Bray is quoted as saying that at the link below. Don't forget you also have the Media/Timeline thread to refer back to if you need to find anything quickly.



http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...report-withdrawn/story-fnii5s3x-1227577166029

Thanks Makara.... lol...miss that one.

 

[AtaraMalka]

Hi,

I've been reading for months but haven't posted yet.

Just a few things from my point of view. I'm a single mum and there is no way I'd take off travelling around Australia working or drug dealing etc with a child in tow. I think at Karlie's age it would be more likely that she'd leave her daughter with family if that is what she wanted to do. I also believe for Karlie to take off with Kandalyce she must have been promised (a life, a job, help, a relationship....something alluring) with someone for her to take off. Things were obviously bad at home for her to leave, so she'd have to be going to something better IMO.

Also, having been a true crime buff for many many years, I believe whoever dropped the suitcase on the side of the road wanted this to all come out and be solved. It is also the work, I believe, of severely deranged people, like serial murderers who keep "trophies" of their victims. I can't believe the person/persons would try to put police off the scent by putting Karlie in Belangalo to try to get Milat to take the heat, then years later put the body and all the possessions of Kandalyce on the side of the road. It doesn't make sense to me that it would be the same person who hid Karlie in the forrest and then Kandalyce in plain sight.

It is also perplexing that NO ONE who apparently knows what happened has said a word in the last few years. Fear of retribution maybe....

There are lots of theories out there of drug involvement etc, but to be honest, I think it's just some sicko trying to get away with murder, now wanting some sort of notoreity (by placing body and clues) on the side of the road.

If it's a paedo - then jesus, it's high time that australian sentencing law for crimes against children is made to life in prison. Enough is enough! Saddened with how society is becoming these days.

I've always looked at it like this too. Plenty people can kill in rage, revenge, etc., (so-called 'crimes of passion'), but it's a different animal who chops people up. Shallow burial - with or without the intention of facilitating discovery - is also in the MO of such a person - along with keeping trophies, as you say.

There are differences between the way mum and daughter were disposed of, but also big similarities. In both cases, the remains were poorly-concealed. ( Again, whether or not this was deliberate, we have yet to learn). For all we know at this point, the remains at Wynarka may have been in a reasonably obvious place for discovery before this year, and it just so happened that no-one stumbled across them until now.

One thing that's for sure - have I got this right? - is that mother and daughter were killed around the same time. So it wasn't mother who was holding on to the remains for sentimental reasons. Khandalyce was estranged from her family - and they've been ruled out of any involvement anyway - so who would like have wanted to keep them? The trophy idea seems to me a likely alternative. Otherwise, why not just bury everything or throw it away in the normal fashion?

 

[JaneSA]

Just in my own defence, I read The Australian blog just once but could not return to it again because after one reading it was paywalled. However I did say that I thought it was highly speculative and referred to "friends" without giving any names. I also said I thought it was unfair to attempt to blame the victim.

 

[Dogface]

Just in my own defence, I read The Australian blog just once but could not return to it again because after one reading it was paywalled. However I did say that I thought it was highly speculative and referred to "friends" without giving any names. I also said I thought it was unfair to attempt to blame the victim.

And even if she was the biggest drug dealer Australia had ever seen, she and her baby are still victims! I hate how the media tries to victim blame in cases where the victims were less than upstanding citizens...it doesn't matter what a victim did prior, no one should be murdered. (NOT saying Karlie was involved with anything at all!! But I have seen this before in cases where someone had been involved in crime, and for some reason their murder/disappearance seems to matter less and it's so frustrating!)

I do hope we see an arrest soon, the person(s) responsible for this do not deserve another second of anonymity. They need to be shown for who they really are: monsters.

 

[Preye]

From reports that he is serving 4.5 years i found this person also to match time frames.

"Canberra prosecutors are challenging the prison sentence handed to a child predator who sexually assaulted a three-year-old girl in a public library, saying it was "manifestly inadequate".
Shane Williams, 40, a paedophile with a 20-year history of crimes against children, was sentenced on Wednesday to 7½ years' imprisonment, with a non-parole period of 4½ years, for the attack that took place while the girl's mother sat on a computer nearby. "


http://www.mako.org.au/shane-williams-paedophile-repeat-offender.html

 

[crabstick]

Because Karlie wasn't receiving social benefit payments doesn't mean she was involved in criminal activity, she may have been working for cash under the radar albeit not enough to keep her head above water. Earning under $18000 means she wouldnt be paying income tax but still be paying 10% on purchases making her a legitimate taxpayer.
There is a range of reasons that may happen partly due to the pay scale, sporadic work arrangements that come with a transient life and lack of office to keep filing in order.

Karlie may have had to rely on some financial assistance from the dick-heads that killed her child. In a world where children rebel, they haven't the experience to understand the potential outcomes of their rebellious choices. There is some people in this world that spend gazillions a dollars to keep an image where youth make poor choices based on a façade and a million lies with worse outcomes than pedophilia. There is the prostitution slavery.

Look at the community grief this has brought, not to mention the cost.

Do we know that she had been in Darwin, Alice Springs, Adelaide and Canberra based on welfare payments???... or by witness (friends) statements.... current article (grrr paywalled...suggests that she wasn't drawing welfare payments)...

I thought Bray was just asking for caravan parks, motel operators to check their records because they were assuming she may have stayed at places such as these - Not that it was fact... You have inverted commas... Did bray specifically say that?

Just asking in case I missed an article..

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Rebecca Baker: Tears for Khandalyce, the little girl who will never grow up


IT is the cherubic face and chubby cheeks that get me every time: Little Khandalyce Kiara Pearce, the tot so callously stuffed into a suitcase and dumped by the side of a lonely road.

The beautiful tutu-wearing young girl who, until yesterday, didn’t have a face — or a name.

And it is the knowledge this precious child was separated from her mum, Karlie Jade Pearce-Stevenson, for so many years, as she lay murdered and discarded more than 1100km away in what has become the most macabre of dumping grounds, the Belanglo State Forest.

The evil that saw Karlie and Khandalyce killed and then unceremoniously dumped is beyond comprehension — it is a final, cruel blow to leave mother and daughter so far from each other.

Yesterday we learned why no one had ever come forward to identify the child dubbed the Wynarka suitcase girl after she was found in the Murray Mallee in July.

For months it had seemed unfathomable to me that a mother, despite the circumstances, wouldn’t come forward to claim her child. Of course, we now know why.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messe...|heading|homepage|homepage&itmt=1445719121169

More at link ..

 

[CSIDreamer]

Rebecca Baker: Tears for Khandalyce, the little girl who will never grow up


IT is the cherubic face and chubby cheeks that get me every time: Little Khandalyce Kiara Pearce, the tot so callously stuffed into a suitcase and dumped by the side of a lonely road.

The beautiful tutu-wearing young girl who, until yesterday, didn’t have a face — or a name.

And it is the knowledge this precious child was separated from her mum, Karlie Jade Pearce-Stevenson, for so many years, as she lay murdered and discarded more than 1100km away in what has become the most macabre of dumping grounds, the Belanglo State Forest.

The evil that saw Karlie and Khandalyce killed and then unceremoniously dumped is beyond comprehension — it is a final, cruel blow to leave mother and daughter so far from each other.

Yesterday we learned why no one had ever come forward to identify the child dubbed the Wynarka suitcase girl after she was found in the Murray Mallee in July.

For months it had seemed unfathomable to me that a mother, despite the circumstances, wouldn’t come forward to claim her child. Of course, we now know why.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messe...|heading|homepage|homepage&itmt=1445719121169

More at link ..

Playing catch up on here. While I'm so relieved the little girl has a name, really it's a miracle, it's so sad. And heartbreaking. And you could have knocked me over with a feather at the photos of her with the quilt.

And it's just nut crazy weird. The real story so far is even more disturbing than I imagined.

 

[they'll get you]

Rebecca Baker: Tears for Khandalyce, the little girl who will never grow up


IT is the cherubic face and chubby cheeks that get me every time: Little Khandalyce Kiara Pearce, the tot so callously stuffed into a suitcase and dumped by the side of a lonely road.

The beautiful tutu-wearing young girl who, until yesterday, didn’t have a face — or a name.

And it is the knowledge this precious child was separated from her mum, Karlie Jade Pearce-Stevenson, for so many years, as she lay murdered and discarded more than 1100km away in what has become the most macabre of dumping grounds, the Belanglo State Forest.

The evil that saw Karlie and Khandalyce killed and then unceremoniously dumped is beyond comprehension — it is a final, cruel blow to leave mother and daughter so far from each other.

Yesterday we learned why no one had ever come forward to identify the child dubbed the Wynarka suitcase girl after she was found in the Murray Mallee in July.

For months it had seemed unfathomable to me that a mother, despite the circumstances, wouldn’t come forward to claim her child. Of course, we now know why.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messe...|heading|homepage|homepage&itmt=1445719121169

More at link ..

It makes me wonder how long mum and bub were separated BEFORE their deaths.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

It makes me wonder how long mum and bub were separated BEFORE their deaths.

The fact that he kept her suitcase and the little girls clothes makes me wonder too. I think he kept her afterwards.

I just think if they were killed at the same time and the body discovered in a suitcase it would be because he stuffed her body in THEIR suitcase at the time, and took her back because she was easier to transport than her mother that way, and because he wanted Karlie's death to look like a backpacker murder. Also police have said she decomposed outside of the suitcase, but not buried.

Question, were any of Karlie's clothes found at all in the suitcase?

 

[fruity]

From reports that he is serving 4.5 years i found this person also to match time frames.

"Canberra prosecutors are challenging the prison sentence handed to a child predator who sexually assaulted a three-year-old girl in a public library, saying it was "manifestly inadequate".
Shane Williams, 40, a paedophile with a 20-year history of crimes against children, was sentenced on Wednesday to 7½ years' imprisonment, with a non-parole period of 4½ years, for the attack that took place while the girl's mother sat on a computer nearby. "


http://www.mako.org.au/shane-williams-paedophile-repeat-offender.html

Wow, good one! Do we know where he is serving the sentence? Belconnen fits with the area Karlie was travelling through.

More details about his crimes here:
http://www.mako.org.au/temp_w_z.html#SHANEWILLIAMS

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-...ntence-increased-over-library-assault/5678978

Edit: oh wait, isn't he serving time for an unrelated crime at the moment?

Perhaps the bashing of his neighbour is what they're talking about?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-...dler-in-a-library-sentenced-to-more-t/5225046

 

[Mrs G Norris]

It makes me wonder how long mum and bub were separated BEFORE their deaths.

Are you thinking that they were separated and both kept before they died, perhaps by two different groups of people?

 

[they'll get you]

I find a battling single mum could not have had her child with her 24/7.
Whatever Karlie was doing to earn a $ it would be near impossible to have a baby attached 24/7 fruit picking or otherwise.
With no family or 'trusted' carers I makes me wonder who had Kandalyse.

I'm treading carefully with my thoughts.

 

[Panda]

The fact that he kept her suitcase and the little girls clothes makes me wonder too. I think he kept her afterwards.

I just think if they were killed at the same time and the body discovered in a suitcase it would be because he stuffed her body in THEIR suitcase at the time, and took her back because she was easier to transport than her mother that way, and because he wanted Karlie's death to look like a backpacker murder. Also police have said she decomposed outside of the suitcase, but not buried.

Question, were any of Karlie's clothes found at all in the suitcase?

Thanks for the clarification Mrs Norris. I must have missed that the police said she decomposed outside of the suitcase.:doh: It's so difficult keeping track - I'll have to go back and do some more reading!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Thanks for the clarification Mrs Norris. I must have missed that the police said she decomposed outside of the suitcase.:doh: It's so difficult keeping track - I'll have to go back and do some more reading!

We discussed it here, but I'm going back to find the relevant link

 

[Rayemonde]

The fact that he kept her suitcase and the little girls clothes makes me wonder too. I think he kept her afterwards.

I just think if they were killed at the same time and the body discovered in a suitcase it would be because he stuffed her body in THEIR suitcase at the time, and took her back because she was easier to transport than her mother that way, and because he wanted Karlie's death to look like a backpacker murder. Also police have said she decomposed outside of the suitcase, but not buried.

Question, were any of Karlie's clothes found at all in the suitcase?

I think LE never released everything that was found in the case, so maybe something of Karlie's was found in there but the information was not made public...