AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #6

[Makara]

Just thinking about this (in the dark recesses of my mind, as usual) and realised Charnwood is very near Belconnen.

My Mum lives in Canberra, as did some friends and family, and they always refer(red) to the area NW of the city as 'Nappy Valley' due to the high proportion of single parents who lived there in social housing.

They always joked you could murder someone there and no one would bat an eyelid.

I went to visit someone there myself once, at night, and I'll tell you it freaked me out.

http://www.whereis.com/search-resul...50760564,150.00738625&paginationRequestPage=1

Therefore, Belanglo could quite possibly be a secondary crime scene as far as Karlie's alleged murder is concerned.

I don't think it is fair to judge anyone by where they live. Police have said they believe Karlie was murdered and dumped in the Belanglo State Forest, not in Canberra. They obviously know a lot more than we do.

 

[Bohemian]

I don't think it is fair to judge anyone by where they live. Police have said they believe Karlie was murdered and dumped in the Belanglo State Forest, not in Canberra. They obviously know a lot more than we do.

I wasn't judging the people who live there. 'Nappy Valley' was the name native Canberrans referred to it as. I had a friend who lived there, hence the visit.

We were freaked out by a guy popping up from behind cars and lurking around us while we were waiting for a taxi so we had to go back inside and ask her brother to come and wait with us. It was, unfortunately, a high crime area; mainly DV and drug related incidents.

I wasn't sure if investigators had narrowed down where Karlie died, just that it was in, or near, Belanglo State Forest which is only 1 hour 45 minutes from Charnwood.

 

[Bohemian]

I already tried image search, but thanks anyway, Bohemian.

No problem, Jane. (Shame, it always works for the guy on Catfish )

 

[Makara]

I wasn't judging the people who live there. 'Nappy Valley' was the name native Canberrans referred to it as. I had a friend who lived there, hence the visit.

We were freaked out by a guy popping up from behind cars and lurking around us while we were waiting for a taxi so we had to go back inside and ask her brother to come and wait with us. It was, unfortunately, a high crime area; mainly DV and drug related incidents.

I wasn't sure if investigators had narrowed down where Karlie died, just that it was in, or near, Belanglo State Forest which is only 1 hour 45 minutes from Charnwood.

Thanks but it is irrelevant to this case. Back on topic please.

 

[symbah]

I think Found may have meant to post on William's thread and mistakenly posted here.

Yes, that was my understanding when I read Found's post & replied. Whichever thread, for both children, for all children, its very upsetting & heart breaking.

 

[Bohemian]

Thanks but it is irrelevant to this case. Back on topic please.

No problem. Do you have a link handy to the article where investigators said where Karlie died please, Makara? I can't access the one I bookmarked previously as I lost them when I was given a new mobile device

 

[Makara]

No problem. Do you have a link handy to the article where investigators said where Karlie died please, Makara? I can't access the one I bookmarked previously as I lost them when I was given a new mobile device

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ELINE-*NO-DISCUSSION*&p=12113814#post12113814

 

[Bohemian]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ELINE-*NO-DISCUSSION*&p=12113814#post12113814

Thanks, Makara, I keep forgetting about the Timeline threads.

From there, this is the type of MSM report where I got the idea Belanglo was the secondary crime scene:

'Karlie Pearce-Stevenson may have been dumped at notorious forest to throw police off scent'
12:19pm October 22, 2015
Brandon Livesay

'The body of brutally murdered mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson may have been dumped at Belanglo Forest to throw police off the scent of the killer.

Police claim the mother could have been killed at another location before her body was taken to the notorious forest where serial killer Ivan Milat buried his victims, ABC reports.

"The forest is infamous and it's a reasonable theory to suggest the person [murder suspect] could have disposed of the body in the forest to throw us off track," South Australia Police Detective Superintendent Des Bray said.

"But it hasn't, and we're convinced that Karlie's death has nothing to do with the previous crimes associated with the forest."'

Read more at: http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...to-throw-police-off-scent#VLSFrS8r86A4pVc8.99

BBM.

 

[Makara]

Thanks, Makara, I keep forgetting about the Timeline threads.

From there, this is the type of MSM report where I got the idea Belanglo was the secondary crime scene:



BBM.

It is understood police have been able to allegedly trace a telephone belonging to Holdom via pings off mobile phone towers in the Belanglo state forest, which put the phone near the location where Pearce-Stevenson’s remains were found, at about the time of her death.

Police believe she was murdered on either 14 December or 15 December 2008.

http://www.theguardian.com/australi...glo-forest-near-mothers-remains-police-allege
Thursday 29 October 2015 19.49 AEDT

Karlie, named the ‘Belanglo Angel’, was violently murdered between December 14 and 15, 2008 in the notorious Belanglo State Forest in NSW.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ance-with-murder/story-fni0cx12-1227586153756
October 29, 2015 5:40pm

 

[Dogface]

The two-year-old’s birth certificate was reportedly found at the home of Holdom’s sister during a search last month. Police seized two suitcases from the property believed to hold possessions belonging to the mother following a tip-off.

http://m.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/khandalyce-kiara-pearce-birth-certificate-allegedlyfound-at-home-of-daniel-holdoms-sister/story-fni6uo1m-1227605383339


police have the 2 suitcases.

Why on earth would any person keep that?!? How easy is that stuff to get rid of? Unless she didn't know what she was keeping. Which begs the question of why would someone have brought that stuff to her in the first place? Why would someone hold on to belongings of a murdered woman and a BC of a murdered child? That literally makes zero sense criminally speaking.

 

[Cloudy]

Why on earth would any person keep that?!? How easy is that stuff to get rid of? Unless she didn't know what she was keeping. Which begs the question of why would someone have brought that stuff to her in the first place? Why would someone hold on to belongings of a murdered woman and a BC of a murdered child? That literally makes zero sense criminally speaking.

I'm hoping that the sister knew nothing. Perhaps DH had a large amount of items/bags in storage at her house due to reasons such as having no permanent home (itinerant lifestyle or perhaps incarcerated as potential explanations). I keep things in storage for my brother without looking through them - it's a matter or trust/respect. Someone could have simply tipped off the police to check through the items the sister held in storage for her brother and they located the birth certificate and the suitcases in the collection.

As to why someone kept these items long enough to be stored, could it have been a matter of "out of sight, out of mind"? Keep the suitcases but somewhere you don't need to think about them... makes it a bit less real or less confrontational if that person didn't want to face what they'd done.

 

[porridgeuk]

It could also be considered a trophy if an intentional killing IMO.......

 

[sosocurious]

OK so that's not annoying much...

So now the herald sun is saying the police found and took possession of two suitcases containing Karlie's possessions.

The Mercury said that Holdom *allegedly* took two suitcases, believed to be carrying some of Ms Pearce-Stevenson's possessions, after Karlie had died.

What are they really saying....anyone want to decipher MSM reporter details in to some sense for me lol..

Are they saying that the tip off was that someone knew Daniel had two suitcases belonging to Karlie and with the new revelation that Belanglo Angel was in fact Karlie they reported the facts to police....and Police found the suitcases???

I'm confuzzled.... by the two different reports on the same subject.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/khandalyce-kiara-pearce-birth-certificate-allegedlyfound-at-home-of-daniel-holdoms-sister/news-story/0c5e33e7574e2774b1d80a3cba141721

http://www.maitlandmercury.com.au/story/3486181/karlie-pearce-stevensons-daughters-birth-certificate-found-at-house-allegedly-linked-to-accused-killer-daniel-james-holdom/?cs=7

So strange he would keep personal possessions...

And always at the back of my mind is the fact that police said they believed Kandalyce body was possibly left somewhere dry out of the weather to decompose before she (Her remains) bundled up with the clothing and placed in the suitcase...

Very confusing Puggle

Someone told police Holdom allegedly took two suitcases, believed to be carrying some of Ms Pearce-Stevenson's possessions, after Karlie died.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/girl-in-s...sed-killer-20151111-gkwnbn.html#ixzz3rCK4mgTz

Following a tip off police seized two suitcases believed to hold Karlies possessions from DH sisters home.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/girl-in-s...linked-to-accused-killer-20151111-gkwnbn.html

All I can think of is that
* DH has taken the two suitcases from another location (the someone told police) and moved them to his sisters home.
* There were more that 2 suitcases at the sisters home initially and DH had removed 2 and left 2..... but why
imo

Or one article is inaccurate .... which one?

 

[carbuff]

Very confusing Puggle

Someone told police Holdom allegedly took two suitcases, believed to be carrying some of Ms Pearce-Stevenson's possessions, after Karlie died.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/girl-in-s...sed-killer-20151111-gkwnbn.html#ixzz3rCK4mgTz

Following a tip off police seized two suitcases believed to hold Karlies possessions from DH sisters home.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/girl-in-s...linked-to-accused-killer-20151111-gkwnbn.html

All I can think of is that
* DH has taken the two suitcases from another location (the someone told police) and moved them to his sisters home.
* There were more that 2 suitcases at the sisters home initially and DH had removed 2 and left 2..... but why
imo

Or one article is inaccurate .... which one?

I read it that

1) (at the time of Karlie's death?), he took two suitcases that were believed to have been hers from some unnamed location to his sister's house
2) some unknown person told them about the missing suitcases
3) some unknown person (possibly not the same as #2 told them the suitcases were at the sister's house
4) police seized two suitcases from the sister's home that are believed to be the same suitcases as in #1

Which makes me wonder if he or someone else moved the suitcase with baby K's remains at the same time as the other suitcases were transferred to the sister's house?

Oh, and it seems to me that the most likely explanation for why Karlie had several suitcases in her car was that she was essentially homeless and was living in her car...

 

[JaneSA]

Why on earth would any person keep that?!? How easy is that stuff to get rid of? Unless she didn't know what she was keeping. Which begs the question of why would someone have brought that stuff to her in the first place? Why would someone hold on to belongings of a murdered woman and a BC of a murdered child? That literally makes zero sense criminally speaking.

I couldn't agree more!
Just as dumping bones together with clothes in a suitcase in a public place makes zero sense.
Yet somehow, these are similar behaviours.
I sincerely hope that one day we learn what the motivation was.

 

[JaneSA]

I read it that

1) (at the time of Karlie's death?), he took two suitcases that were believed to have been hers from some unnamed location to his sister's house
2) some unknown person told them about the missing suitcases
3) some unknown person (possibly not the same as #2 told them the suitcases were at the sister's house
4) police seized two suitcases from the sister's home that are believed to be the same suitcases as in #1

Which makes me wonder if he or someone else moved the suitcase with baby K's remains at the same time as the other suitcases were transferred to the sister's house?

Oh, and it seems to me that the most likely explanation for why Karlie had several suitcases in her car was that she was essentially homeless and was living in her car...

Thank you!
That finally makes some sort of sense.

So, perhaps DH thought Karlie was still alive and was looking after both her clothing and Khandalyce's birth certificate?
Perhaps he stored those items at his sister's house, waiting for Karlie to pick them up?
It makes no sense to keep them if you know about the murders and are in any way responsible.

 

[JaneSA]

Every new piece of information just makes this case weirder!

 

[JaneSA]

Carbuff, the Daily Mail agrees with that reading:
"According to reports, police received a tip off that Holdom allegedly took two suitcases to his sister's house that contained Ms Pearce-Stevenson's possessions."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-Karlie-Pearce-Stevenson.html#ixzz3rD1Hc0Kv

 

[JaneSA]

Here is what I cannot get my head around...

Karlie was murdered and then (probably) her body was moved to Belangalo Forest where it was left, with nothing but the tshirt (apparently) that could serve to identify her.
The police stated early on that they believed her body was left in "Milat territory" to try and throw them off any scent and to make them believe that Milat was responsible.
That takes some degree of planning and a desire to cover up the murder.

The body remains undiscovered for 2 years and even after it is found, it is unidentified for 5 more years.
So why, if DH was the killer of Karlie, would he keep both her clothing and her child's birth certificate when he had literally years to dispose of them without a trace?
What happened to the desire to cover up the murder?

And why would whoever killed Khadalyce keep her body and clothing, again for many years, when they also had years to dispose of them?
The child's bones and clothing were discovered, again with a complete disregard for any attempt to conceal the crime.
That discovery is all over the media for 6 weeks until she is identified.

Also, why would DH keep Karlie's bank card if he was worried he might one day be linked to her murder?

People have postulated that he is simply dumb. But the initial cover-up of Karlie's death was not organised by a dumb person.

People have also postulated that he kept things as "trophies". But is it a trophy if it is stored away at your sister's house?

Seriously, it has reached the point where, even if he pleads guilty today, I don't think I will be able to believe it.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

New pic of Karlie, unknown to me until now: