AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #6

[symbah]

Maybe its just me, but i've always thought that in the photo taken at Marion, Karlie looked, yes ... tired, even bedraggled & rundown. But, what stood out the most to me was she had the look of being p..... off. Annoyed that this person wanted to take a photo of her.

Maybe she was just tired & fed up & didn't want her photo taken. But I've got a feeling that the person behind the camera was behaving in a sickly, sweet manner to get that shot.

 

[Bundy]

However, it doesn't seem to of been that quick of a turnaround in the ACT.

Karlie's card, at least, was in the ACT for almost a month. It was used Nov 24, Dec 16 & Dec 19 before next being used in Adelaide Dec 22.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-27/timeline-karlie-pearce-stevenson-bank-account-activity/6890008

Thanks for that symbah.... that 3 week gap between Nov 24 and her estimated date of death is puzzling.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I don't think police have released all the transactions, they've released just enough to show her major moves IMO.

 

[Makara]

Thanks for putting that together, Makara.

So Person 1 thinks the child might be Khandles, but also knows about the 2009 missing person report.

Person 2 offers the photo of baby Khandles with the quilt.

Person 3 is identified by the police and has the Marion photos.

My assumption then, is that Persons 1 &2 are family or family friends and that they suggested the police contact Person 3, who they think may know more.

Interesting idea about HP being the person with the Marion photos.
If so, just like the photos from the car show on her FB page, I wonder why she kept them if she was guilty of any involvement?

Yes, your points 1, 2 and 3 is how I see it.

BBM: Reverse psychology perhaps. IMO HP was known to Karlie's family. We don't know who else may have been in those photos at the car show or who also had copies. If HP had deleted those photos of Karlie and Khandalyce it may have raised questions that HP didn't want to answer. IMO HP did share those photos with Karlie's family, whether it was via Facebook or privately. Wouldn't it seem strange that she then removed them all from her camera/phone. Yes, I know that some people clear out their photos on a regular basis but IMO HP was covering her ****, still purporting to be nothing more than a good friend of Karlie. She knew that Karlie was dead but she had to pretend that as far as she was concerned Karlie and Khandalyce were alive and well. Still having those photos IMO was HP saying that she didn't do anything to defraud or harm Karlie, 'cause look, here are some photos. She was is my friend.

 

[Meryl12]

Maybe its just me, but i've always thought that in the photo taken at Marion, Karlie looked, yes ... tired, even bedraggled & rundown. But, what stood out the most to me was she had the look of being p..... off. Annoyed that this person wanted to take a photo of her.

Maybe she was just tired & fed up & didn't want her photo taken. But I've got a feeling that the person behind the camera was behaving in a sickly, sweet manner to get that shot.

Without any doubt she did not want her photograph taken..
The person was taking the photograph of Khandalyce, that was alright, Karlie was on her mobile, but then the person turned the camera to Karlie, that was something she did not expect - or want.
That is how it looks. She was not posing or ready for a photograph.

 

[sosocurious]

Thanks for putting that together, Makara.

So Person 1 thinks the child might be Khandles, but also knows about the 2009 missing person report.

Person 2 offers the photo of baby Khandles with the quilt.

Person 3 is identified by the police and has the Marion photos.

My assumption then, is that Persons 1 &2 are family or family friends and that they suggested the police contact Person 3, who they think may know more.

Interesting idea about HP being the person with the Marion photos.
If so, just like the photos from the car show on her FB page, I wonder why she kept them if she was guilty of any involvement?

Investigators then located a witness who had seen Khandalyce and her mother at Marion Shopping Centre, Adelaide in November 2008. She had taken photos of Khandalyce wearing a pink dress.
Listening to Des Bray in the video from 1:40
As a result we were able to identify another person (3) who had been closely associated with Karlie and that person provided information of meeting her 8 Nov at Marion.
She provided a photograph - that depicted Khandalyce wearing the pink dress.
He never actually says the photo of Karlie was taken that day, does he? Just that she had seen Karlie and taken the photo of Khandalyce.
imo

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-pol...l-service-area/task-force-mallee#.VkADaPkrKUk

 

[Bohemian]

Maybe its just me, but i've always thought that in the photo taken at Marion, Karlie looked, yes ... tired, even bedraggled & rundown. But, what stood out the most to me was she had the look of being p..... off. Annoyed that this person wanted to take a photo of her.

Maybe she was just tired & fed up & didn't want her photo taken. But I've got a feeling that the person behind the camera was behaving in a sickly, sweet manner to get that shot.

When you compare the photo of Karlie taken at Marion to that of previous photos, Karlie seemed defensive, defeated and resigned. I was immediately reminded of the look I have seen on many abused women's and children's faces.

 

[reasypeasy]

Thinking about it, I doubt whether the alleged drug money was a motive for her murder because Karlie and DH were probably working as a team. If we follow the trail of the ATM card, which we presume DH was using, there was a quick turn around in ACT, down to Adelaide, a stop over in Adelaide over Christmas, a quick trip to Alice with an over-nighter, then back to Adelaide..... He was probably just finishing the job they started together.

I tend to think they were a team but she'd got sick of him and it appeared to him the team was going to break up and she'd get everything... the job running stuff, the profit from the current run, everything. Maybe she looks like death warmed up in the Marion Shopping Centre picture because she's been driving all day and most of the night then arguing with him most of the rest of the night while he gets to rest at times while she drives.

 

[porridgeuk]

Key points:

Police believe Karlie was killed in or near Belanglo State Forest in NSW
Police search homes in SA and ACT
Searches 'extremely productive'
Police talking to inmates with 'knowledge'
Search for red or maroon station wagon begin

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-23/police-search-homes-in-sa-canberra-mother-daughter/6879814

This could be a reason DH is being quiet, he is probably surrounded by inmates 'with knowledge' monitoring his every move and possibly reminding him that silence is golden IMO

 

[symbah]

When you compare the photo of Karlie taken at Marion to that of previous photos, Karlie seemed defensive, defeated and resigned. I was immediately reminded of the look I have seen on many abused women's and children's faces.

Defensive, I'd agree with. But I'm not seeing the defeated & resigned.

 

[Bohemian]

Has anyone done any research into the location of car shows in Central and Eastern Australia during the Spring/Summer of 2008; particularly November-December?

Also, DJH listed one of his business names at that time as 'Lappin Labouring & Detailing' (or vice versa). Detailing refers to cars/motorbikes. DJH may have followed the shows for work and the 'ambience'.

Working at car shows is a reason for frequent, unconventional travel patterns. The Darwin Show and Shine is the link between HP, DJH and KPS. HP's reference to the 'The Boss' Car' could relate to one of the cars DJH worked on.

 

[Bohemian]

Defensive, I'd agree with. But I'm not seeing the defeated & resigned.

Not defeated or resigned in the sense that she had given in; just given up on something (a relationship?)

 

[purpleandgreen]

For what it's worth and certainly not defending anyone here: In the Marion photo, Karlie is looking up - look at her eyes, so whoever took the photo was taller than her. A person in a wheelchair would be at about the same eye level, so Karlie would be looking straight ahead. Also look at the angle of the photo - from higher up looking down.

Investigators then located a witness who had seen Khandalyce and her mother at Marion Shopping Centre, Adelaide in November 2008. She had taken photos of Khandalyce wearing a pink dress.
Listening to Des Bray in the video from 1:40
As a result we were able to identify another person (3) who had been closely associated with Karlie and that person provided information of meeting her 8 Nov at Marion.
She provided a photograph - that depicted Khandalyce wearing the pink dress.
He never actually says the photo of Karlie was taken that day, does he? Just that she had seen Karlie and taken the photo of Khandalyce.
imo

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-pol...l-service-area/task-force-mallee#.VkADaPkrKUk

 

[Bohemian]

For what it's worth and certainly not defending anyone here: In the Marion photo, Karlie is looking up - look at her eyes, so whoever took the photo was taller than her. A person in a wheelchair would be at about the same eye level, so Karlie would be looking straight ahead. Also look at the angle of the photo - from higher up looking down.

Good spotting, p&g. Will have to look back at timeline re players. Have been out of the loop lately.*
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* and little out of my head on the minimum amount of painkillers I can get away with. I don't take medication/drink much so even a little knocks me for six. And, no, would never take both at the same time!

 

[Meryl12]

When you compare the photo of Karlie taken at Marion to that of previous photos, Karlie seemed defensive, defeated and resigned. I was immediately reminded of the look I have seen on many abused women's and children's faces.

A complete absence of enthusiasm. (Afraid).

 

[Bohemian]

A complete absence of enthusiasm. (Afraid).

With 20/20 hindsight, it's almost prophetic. There's a finality about that photo. Something was going to end. Tragically, it did.

 

[Wolfinator]

For what it's worth and certainly not defending anyone here: In the Marion photo, Karlie is looking up - look at her eyes, so whoever took the photo was taller than her. A person in a wheelchair would be at about the same eye level, so Karlie would be looking straight ahead. Also look at the angle of the photo - from higher up looking down.

Or wearing a prosthetic...

Though it is still very close in time to the car accident - 15 Sep 2008 (crash) 8 Nov (photo)

I don't think HP took the photo.


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[symbah]

Has anyone done any research into the location of car shows in Central and Eastern Australia during the Spring/Summer of 2008; particularly November-December?

Also, DJH listed one of his business names at that time as 'Lappin Labouring & Detailing' (or vice versa). Detailing refers to cars/motorbikes. DJH may have followed the shows for work and the 'ambience'.

Working at car shows are a reason for frequent, unconventional travel patterns. The Darwin Show and Shine is the link between HP, DJH and KPS. HP's reference to the 'The Boss' Car' could relate to one of the cars DJH worked on.

From what I can gather he had ABN's in the name of DJH from 2000 to 2007 & DJM from 2007 to now - last updated 23.9.15.

ABN Businesses's under these names are DJ Detailing & Labouring, DJ Labouring & Lappin Landscaping.

 

[Panda]

I don't know. I don't think Karlie looks afraid, abused or anything of that nature in that photo. I don't see fear in her eyes. To me, she looks distracted - with the phone in her hand, which looks like it's flipped open, it looks to me like she was interrupted from texting or something like that. "Hey, Karlie ..." and she looks up from her phone as someone snaps a photo of her. The most I can say is she looks tired and stressed, but I don't read anything more sinister than that from just that photo. There's only one other photo of Karlie that I've seen to compare it too as well, but even then, if people saw some of my photos, I hate to think what conclusions they may draw.

I agree with the angle that the photo was more likely taken by someone who was standing.

I also think the person who took the photo may have willingly given it to police to assist, not necessarily hinder.

I don't know ... it's all making my head explode.

 

[Meryl12]

For what it's worth and certainly not defending anyone here: In the Marion photo, Karlie is looking up - look at her eyes, so whoever took the photo was taller than her. A person in a wheelchair would be at about the same eye level, so Karlie would be looking straight ahead. Also look at the angle of the photo - from higher up looking down.

Karlie is leaning slightly forward with one elbow on her leg, she is holding her mobile in the other hand.
Her body is slightly forward, giving the impression she is looking up. She is looking out from a position of leaning forward on her leg.
What I mean is Karlie is not sitting back in the seat looking at eye level to the person taking the photo. She is perched on the edge of the seat, leaning forward on one elbow on her leg, and looking out (not up) from that forward position.