AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #7

[Bohemian]

I remember seeing a line from this song at the bottom of the memorial poem for Karlie and Khandalyce from her stepfather and brother. It is a song by Cat Stevens called 'Wild World'.

As Karlie and Khandalyce will be travelling home to be with their friends and family over the next few days, I'd like to dedicate this song to them (and to young, precious and adventurous girls everywhere):

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=0k6mQyu2GxM

 

[Wolfinator]

I remember seeing a line from this song at the bottom of the memorial poem for Karlie and Khandalyce from her stepfather and brother. It is a song by Cat Stevens called 'Wild World'.

As Karlie and Khandalyce will be travelling home to be with their friends and family over the next few days, I'd like to dedicate this song to them (and to young, precious and adventurous girls everywhere):

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=0k6mQyu2GxM

No words... [emoji22]


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[Deleted member 102539]

We can't be sure that DJH's and HP's relationship ended in 2008/09. First of all, we need a source for that information. I know I have read (and, trust me, saw with my own two eyes on the TV) a neighbour's statement on how DJH and HP moved out of a Hillbank SA house PDQ in 2011. (Link to come...working on Timeline). Unless, of course, another wheelchair-bound, single lower-limbed amputee was impersonating HP.

The relationship was said to have broken down after Holdom was involved in a fatal car accident on the Stuart Highway in South Australia that caused the death of two of the woman's children

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-accused-murdering-mother.html#ixzz3s6CzDEwe

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It is understood Holdom was dating Hazel Passmore at the time of her accident, but that the relationship had broken down following the crash

http://www.capitalbay.news/australi...evenson-murder-investigation-questioning.html

 

[Deleted member 102539]

December 15, 2008: Ms Pearce-Stevenson is murdered around this time, according to NSW Police investigations.
December 2008-January 2009: Khandalyce is killed, according to police. It is believed the two-year-old died about a month after her mother.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-accused-murdering-mother.html#ixzz3s6DxTBcq

 

[Bohemian]

The relationship was said to have broken down after Holdom was involved in a fatal car accident on the Stuart Highway in South Australia that caused the death of two of the woman's children

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-accused-murdering-mother.html#ixzz3s6CzDEwe

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It is understood Holdom was dating Hazel Passmore at the time of her accident, but that the relationship had broken down following the crash

http://www.capitalbay.news/australi...evenson-murder-investigation-questioning.html

Thanks, FG. Will get around to reading these in full ASAP. I know there were initial reports such as the ones you quoted. The reports about Hillbank SA house exit by DJH and HP were fairly recent; around the time DJH was charged and HP's questioning by detectives.

 

[Bohemian]

December 15, 2008: Ms Pearce-Stevenson is murdered around this time, according to NSW Police investigations.

December 2008-January 2009: Khandalyce is killed, according to police. It is believed the two-year-old died about a month after her mother.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-accused-murdering-mother.html#ixzz3s6DxTBcq

Thanks FG. I will read your links ASAP. The reason I don't think of the dates of those two events as set in stone yet (and haven't put them in the draft timeline as yet) is because the last confirmed sighting of Karlie and Khandalyce alive was on ??/11/08 in the ACT, according to SAPOL:

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2015/s4339988.htm

Therefore, at the moment, I read the information you quoted as:

December 15, 2008: Ms Pearce-Stevenson is murdered around this time, according to NSW Police investigations.

December 2008-January 2009: Khandalyce is killed, according to police. It is believed the two-year-old died about a month after her mother.

 

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[Deleted member 102539]

Thanks FG. I will read your links ASAP. The reason I don't think of the dates of those twi events as set in stone yet (and haven't put them in the draft timeline as yet) is because the last confirmed sighting of Karlie and Khandalyce was on ??/11/08 in the ACT, according to SAPOL:

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2015/s4339988.htm

Therefore, at the moment, I read the information you quoted as:

December 15, 2008: Ms Pearce-Stevenson is murdered around this time, according to NSW Police investigations.

December 2008-January 2009: Khandalyce is killed, according to police. It is believed the two-year-old died about a month after her mother.

Didn't mean you have to correct your great timeline! Posted only for mention this statement in addition.

 

[Bohemian]

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[Bohemian]

Didn't mean you have to correct your great timeline! Posted only for mention this statement in addition.

Thanks hon. I think it's a good idea to include those dates and bring to attention that the last confirmed sighting of Karlie and Khandalyce alive was in the ACT on ??/11/08 (when I sight the MSM article/NSWPOL presser for the exact day) and the approximate dates of their alleged murders.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Investigators revealed for the first time they believe the pair were murdered in mid-to-late December 2008, with the last confirmed sighting of mother and daughter at Charnwood in the ACT only a short time before disappearing.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/girl...hree-years-20151027-gkjx44.html#ixzz3s71jt5F3

I'm reading between the lines, that both, Karlie and Khandalyce simultaneously had disappeared, when first Karlie was going to be murdered. Therefore I think, nobody (DJH) was driving around with the little girl but perhaps/certainly she was locked somewhere and suffered abuse. That would explain the statement of police "the girl died under terrible conditions a violent death" (similar wording, but more specific).

 

[Deleted member 102539]

“Wanting to get rid of it so quickly (suitcase along highway) could speak of their motivations a little bit and can also speak to their connection to the child.

“If they don’t feel they will be suspected of having this child anyway they might get rid of it in such a fashion, as opposed to trying to make it so the body is never discovered.”

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...-met-violent-end/story-fni6uo1m-1227446040185

 

[Found]

The fact that DH was responsible for the deaths of HPs children then kept Khandles alive for a month if in fact the murderer is DH which I'm not 100% sure is relevant I believe. Is it possible he was so messed up over the deaths of her children that he killed Karlie to give Khandles to HP? But HP did not support this at all knowing he had just lost the plot....


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[1968]

“Wanting to get rid of it so quickly (suitcase along highway) could speak of their motivations a little bit and can also speak to their connection to the child.

“If they don’t feel they will be suspected of having this child anyway they might get rid of it in such a fashion, as opposed to trying to make it so the body is never discovered.”

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...-met-violent-end/story-fni6uo1m-1227446040185

The sighting of KP sometime after her mother died has me a little confused.....

Alleged by police - that DH has murdered KPS and put her remains in the forest.

Alleged by police - that KP was killed sometime after her mother.

The sighting of KPS/KP was in ACT, it must have been BEFORE 14/12/2008.
Assuming the card user and killer are one and the same - stated by police - KPS card is used in Canberra 16/12/08 and 19/12/08 and then in Adelaide 22/12/2008

Not alleged by police - that DH is the one using the card.

DH has NOT been charged with the fraud. IMO it must be because the police can't place him with the card, that he may have been elsewhere at times when the card was used. Is it worthwhile considering that he may not be the card fraudster? If so, why did he have Karlies' old, expired card.

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[Deleted member 102539]

The sighting of KP sometime after her mother died has me a little confused.....

Alleged by police - that DH has murdered KPS and put her remains in the forest.

Alleged by police - that KP was killed sometime after her mother.

If the sighting of KP was in ACT, it must have been BEFORE 22/12/2008.
If after that date, it must have been in Adelaide.
Assuming the card user and killer are one and the same.

Stated by police - KPS card is used in Canberra 16/12/08 and 19/12/08 and then in Adelaide 22/12/2008

Not alleged by police - that DH is the one using the card.

DH has NOT been charged with the fraud. IMO it must be because the police can't place him with the card, that he may have been elsewhere at times when the card was used. Is it worthwhile considering that he may not be the card fraudster? If so, why did he have Karlies' old, expired card.

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bbm

KP and KPS - toddler and mum - were last seen in ACT (Charnwood) in December 08 and it has to be before 14./15. (probably KPS' death), I think.

 

[DutchTreat]

DH has NOT been charged with the fraud. IMO it must be because the police can't place him with the card, that he may have been elsewhere at times when the card was used. Is it worthwhile considering that he may not be the card fraudster? If so, why did he have Karlies' old, expired card.

overthinking and confused ��

he sounds like a resourcefull guy who made use of anything and everything. Why do you keep a birthcertificate of a murdered 2 year old? Or suitcases full of clothes of a murdered woman?

Or 2 other phones under your carseat as his former fiancee said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Stevenson-kept-online-diary-relationship.html

 

[Bohemian]

The fact that DH was responsible for the deaths of HPs children then kept Khandles alive for a month if in fact the murderer is DH which I'm not 100% sure is relevant I believe. Is it possible he was so messed up over the deaths of her children that he killed Karlie to give Khandles to HP? But HP did not support this at all knowing he had just lost the plot....


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I can't comment on the details of the MVA because it's sub judice and involved family members. In any case, it was dealt with by a court of law and no such 'responsibility' was found AFAIK.

As for Khandalyce's estimated time of death after Karlie's alleged murder by DJH, ie, 'a month', I'm not sure what you mean by relevant, Found?

Although no one (including DJH) has been named as a suspect, or charged, in relation to Khandalyce's alleged murder; Des Bray, the lead investigator of SAPOL's Task Force Mallee, seems to think the difference between the dates of Karlie's and Khandalyce's murders are relevant. He has mentioned this a number of times in pressers/MSM, eg:

'NATALIE WHITING: Police now believe that Karlie Pearce-Stevenson and her daughter Khandalyce were killed sometime in December 2008.

Detective superintendent Des Bray is from the South Australia police.

DES BRAY: And the last recorded sighting is now confirmed as being in Charnwood in Canberra. We believe that Karlie and Khandalyce were killed at different times and at different locations but we can't say anymore about that at the moment.'

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2015/s4339988.htm

The question you asked in relation Khandalyce's alleged murder could be answered with a possible yes but, then again, anything is possible; right Found?

 

[Bohemian]

Investigators revealed for the first time they believe the pair were murdered in mid-to-late December 2008, with the last confirmed sighting of mother and daughter at Charnwood in the ACT only a short time before disappearing.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/girl...hree-years-20151027-gkjx44.html#ixzz3s71jt5F3

I'm reading between the lines, that both, Karlie and Khandalyce simultaneously had disappeared, when first Karlie was going to be murdered. Therefore I think, nobody (DJH) was driving around with the little girl but perhaps/certainly she was locked somewhere and suffered abuse. That would explain the statement of police "the girl died under terrible conditions a violent death" (similar wording, but more specific).

Again, anything is possible; FG.

Somehow Khandalyce (or her remains) travelled from the ACT to SA at some time after Karlie's alleged murder by DJH. What happened to Khandalyce, who she was with and where she was with, during that time is unknown; except as you quoted: 'under terrible conditions a violent death'. Khandalyce may have indeed have been 'locked somewhere and suffered abuse' which lead to her death, like you say but, in addition, from the link you posted earlier in the thread:

'DES BRAY: And the last recorded sighting is now confirmed as being in Charnwood in Canberra. We believe that Karlie and Khandalyce were killed at different times and at different locations but we can't say anymore about that at the moment.'

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2015/s4339988.htm

So, if Des Bray can't talk about it; neither can I.

 

[Wolfinator]

Again, anything is possible; FG.

Somehow Khandalyce (or her remains) travelled from the ACT to SA at some time after Karlie's alleged murder by DJH. What happened to Khandalyce, who she was with and where she was with, during that time is unknown; except as you quoted: 'under terrible conditions a violent death'. Khandalyce may have indeed have been 'locked somewhere and suffered abuse' which lead to her death, like you say but, in addition, from the link you posted earlier in the thread:

'DES BRAY: And the last recorded sighting is now confirmed as being in Charnwood in Canberra. We believe that Karlie and Khandalyce were killed at different times and at different locations but we can't say anymore about that at the moment.'

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2015/s4339988.htm

So, if Des Bray can't talk about it; neither can I.

IMO - I believe there must have been a sighting of Kandles without her Mum post 14/12/08 - the birds have chirped I reckon. LE playing cards close.

LE can take their time and be meticulous before charging DJH if he is the target. He is not going anywhere and not a current threat to society.


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[Bohemian]

IMO - I believe there must have been a sighting of Kandles without her Mum post 14/12/08 - the birds have chirped I reckon. LE playing cards close.

LE can take their time and be meticulous before charging DJH if he is the target. He is not going anywhere and not a current threat to society.


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Oh, for sure Wolfie, after all DS Bray said they believed Khandalyce was alive for up to a month after Karlie was allegedly murdered. With all of the movement of Karlie's keycard immediately after her alleged murder, the only place I can think of where Khandalyce would have been kept/left would be somewhere near the Broadview SA OTR service station; from just before Christmas until the first week of the New Year:

From the draft timeline:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/en...-Kiara-Pearce-and-mum-Karlie-Pearce-Stevenson

Transaction at Charnwood ACT (16/12/08)
Transaction at Deakin ACT (19/12/08)

Transaction at BP OTR Broadview SA (22/12/08)

Transaction at Coober Pedy, SA (06/01/09)
EFTPOS purchase from Mobil, Alice Springs NT (07/01/09)

ATM withdrawal at Broadview SA (10/01/09)

This would fit with the stated 'up to a month' time period. This then brings up the circumstances of Khandalyce being 'kept in terrible conditions' and 'a violent death' if she was still barely alive at the end if that period of time. Who, if anyone was she with during this time? Where was she left/kept? Or even worse, how was she concealed if she travelled around with someone?

I believe that DJH is firmly in the frame for Karlie's alleged murder. It worries me greatly that her keycard wasn't used from 24/11 until 16/12/08. Of course, there could be other transactions we don't know about, but given her Karlie's GM was said to be worried for the same reason and a similar time period; I can't help but draw the conclusion those times coincide.

There are other people involved in the identity theft and fraud. I think there could also be another person/people involved in Khandalyce's death, or yes, can place a certain person/people with her from the 24/11-16/12/08; in Canberra and elsewhere until around the 10/01/2009.

DJH is firmly behind bars but he's the only one. I suspect there should be one, or maybe a couple, more.

Unless otherwise referenced; all IMO.