AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #7

[Deleted member 102539]

This is how "fiction" can become fact. Not all that you have stated as "fact" is fact - it may be fact, but it could also be hearsay and rumours. And the "suitcase" man according to police, is now irrelevant - so he isn't "wanted" other than to tidy up loose ends. (It could be just the way you've worded it, but you made it sound like he is wanted by the police as a suspect).

No, he is not "wanted" as a suspect. Police would like to talk to him - also my wording.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

And not a caravan in sight!

Yes, no nothing zero caravan. But what maybe absurd thinking of a vehicle somewhere, which is used for hiding a little child? At the person's home, near wife/children/neighbours perhaps? Rather not.
Where did BS allegly have his "pastime" with children? In a caravan.
Where did a couple hear unusual child noises in case William? Out of a caravan in a caravan park.
Whether shabby and old or brandnew and whether a caravan or a car, that isn't important. But a caravan may have capacity.

 

[Puggle]

Facts:

Angel in Belanglo Forest; Angel in Wynarka.
Mother Karlie Jade dead (found NSW).
Daughter Khandalyce dead (found SA).
Man, charged with murder of Karlie Jade in prison.
This man has min. 3 names/aliases: DJH, DJM, DJB.
Karlie's cause of death unknown, severely injured upper body (consistent with stomped on), violent.
Khandalyce's cause of death unknown, very violent, under shocking conditions.
4 homes searched, one home belongs to man's sister, one home is in Charnwood.
After murder of Karlie Jade (14-30 days) murder of little Khandalyce by officially yet unknown person.
Identity fraud by unknown person/s for known time: family, bank, Centrelink.
Karlie Jade had $25.000 with her, when leaving Alice, allegly for buying/selling drugs.
Karlie Jade allegly was wanted by someone, who wanted her dead and set a bound of $5.000.
Karlie Jade - or only her bank card!! - was driving around North/South/East Australia, before her death and after her death.
Karlie Jade and Khandalyce had been seen 3 times: Police NT, acquaintance Shopping mall, Charnwood.
Khandalyce without Karlie Jade had been photographed at a car show.
A woman, former girlfriend of man in prison, now living in SA, had questioning by police officers.
Same woman had had a car crash, driver was man in prison, 2 of her children died, 1 survived.
The surviving child was a girl, also blonde and of same age as Khandalyce.
The woman was left paralysed after the crash; later she left one leg.
The woman and the man in prison separated after car crash, but came together sometimes later again.
When again separated, the man in prison had engagement with 16yo Teenager from Charnwood.
Before relationship with woman (car crash) the man in prison had a family with 2 daughters and 1 son.
At a certain time he paid child support for his daughters.
The man in prison has a former friend, who told media about the man's character.
The man in prison had several ABNs in different areas. Min. 1 company was founded unter the name of Karlie Pearce-Stevenson.
Wanted by police is an elderly man, who was seen min. 2 times near Wynarka with a suitcase.

Charnwood seems to be an area that Daniel potentially spent a great deal of time in IMO.

A house associated with his case (was searched).... and presumably in the course of his Daily activities - he has met and became involved romantically with a 16 year old from Charnwood....

Did I miss something?? Did he rent there himself at some point in time or is there a caravan Park in that area?

 

[they'll get you]

Identity fraud re family/bank/Centrelink seems to be as same bizarre and over the top as my little "fairy tale". I have not even installed anything we may also suspect ...

Too right FG what I meant was,in this case, fact is stranger than fiction.

I am saddened with each snippet that is released & I wonder if little Khandalyce
was held ransom over Karlie.

 

[Puggle]

This is how "fiction" can become fact. Not all that you have stated as "fact" is fact - it may be fact, but it could also be hearsay and rumours. And the "suitcase" man according to police, is now irrelevant - so he isn't "wanted" other than to tidy up loose ends. (It could be just the way you've worded it, but you made it sound like he is wanted by the police as a suspect).

I think From Germany is simply highlighting the MSM articles and what they contained....also noted was the "Allegedly" on those items bolded in red.....so again I think "FromGermany" is being misrepresented here.

It is not "Fiction" that these MSM article's exist - they do.


What each individual choses to believe based on those articles is up to each individual.

Are they fact?..... what was contained in those article's? - No.

I think the point being made is not actually being understood.

 

[Puggle]

Facts:

Angel in Belanglo Forest; Angel in Wynarka.
Mother Karlie Jade dead (found NSW).
Daughter Khandalyce dead (found SA).
Man, charged with murder of Karlie Jade in prison.
This man has min. 3 names/aliases: DJH, DJM, DJB.
Karlie's cause of death unknown, severely injured upper body (consistent with stomped on), violent.
Khandalyce's cause of death unknown, very violent, under shocking conditions.
4 homes searched, one home belongs to man's sister, one home is in Charnwood.
After murder of Karlie Jade (14-30 days) murder of little Khandalyce by officially yet unknown person.
Identity fraud by unknown person/s for known time: family, bank, Centrelink.
Karlie Jade had $25.000 with her, when leaving Alice, allegly for buying/selling drugs.
Karlie Jade allegly was wanted by someone, who wanted her dead and set a bound of $5.000.
Karlie Jade - or only her bank card!! - was driving around North/South/East Australia, before her death and after her death.
Karlie Jade and Khandalyce had been seen 3 times: Police NT, acquaintance Shopping mall, Charnwood.
Khandalyce without Karlie Jade had been photographed at a car show.
A woman, former girlfriend of man in prison, now living in SA, had questioning by police officers.
Same woman had had a car crash, driver was man in prison, 2 of her children died, 1 survived.
The surviving child was a girl, also blonde and of same age as Khandalyce.
The woman was left paralysed after the crash; later she left one leg.
The woman and the man in prison separated after car crash, but came together sometimes later again.
When again separated, the man in prison had engagement with 16yo Teenager from Charnwood.
Before relationship with woman (car crash) the man in prison had a family with 2 daughters and 1 son.
At a certain time he paid child support for his daughters.
The man in prison has a former friend, who told media about the man's character.
The man in prison had several ABNs in different areas. Min. 1 company was founded unter the name of Karlie Pearce-Stevenson.
Wanted by police is an elderly man, who was seen min. 2 times near Wynarka with a suitcase.

Thank you FromGermany

I actually like the fact that you have listed the MSM article's in this simple easy to read way....I have copied it as a reminder to myself.....sometimes it's easy to forget the articles.....but this for me, is helpful....

 

[Panda]

No, he is not "wanted" as a suspect. Police would like to talk to him - also my wording.

I didn't see any of your wording reference to "police would like to talk to him". From your quote:

"Wanted by police is an elderly man, who was seen min. 2 times near Wynarka with a suitcase."​

If I had seen your reference to "police would like to talk to him", I wouldn't have written what I did. I'm only trying to point out that sentences like that are the ones that grow legs and people then take as fact, especially given you've listed it under "facts".

This case is complicated enough as it is, without people grabbing the wrong stick.

 

[Puggle]

I didn't see any of your wording reference to "police would like to talk to him". From your quote:

"Wanted by police is an elderly man, who was seen min. 2 times near Wynarka with a suitcase."​

If I had seen your reference to "police would like to talk to him", I wouldn't have written what I did. I'm only trying to point out that sentences like that are the ones that grow legs and people then take as fact, especially given you've listed it under "facts".

This case is complicated enough as it is, without people grabbing the wrong stick.

I understood what "FromGermany" meant .....but yes maybe that one could have been worded better for any new members who come aboard who haven't kept up on all the case details from the start.

 

[Panda]

I think From Germany is simply highlighting the MSM articles and what they contained....also noted was the "Allegedly" on those items bolded in red.....so again I think "FromGermany" is being misrepresented here.

It is not "Fiction" that these MSM article's exist - they do.


What each individual choses to believe based on those articles is up to each individual.

Are they fact?..... what was contained in those article's? - No.

I think the point being made is not actually being understood.

Allegedly was only on one of the items bolded in red - not the other 4 items.

But yes, I take your point regarding possible misrepresentation. It did come across to me though as the items were being portrayed as facts, as in facts that are proven as true.

My point is that if someone new comes to the forum, and reads those sort of "facts" it could create all sorts of havoc and rumours spread, especially as there were no links to any of them.

 

[Trooper]

Facts:

abbreviated by me for brevity

Karlie Jade had $25.000 with her, when leaving Alice, allegly for buying/selling drugs.
Karlie Jade allegly was wanted by someone, who wanted her dead and set a bound of $5.000.

This isn't a fact... the facts are as follows..


MSN reported that a person had contacted Crimestoppers with this story, re the $25,000 and the $5000 'bounty' MSN was able to report this, because the person who contacted Crimestoppers contacted the MSN. Main Stream News at no time gave credence to the content of the call. Merely, the call itself and the confirmation of that call ( but not confirmation of the content of the call ) is all that has been reported..

To confuse this and then to conflate it into 'Karlie left N.T. with $25,000 etc ' and to claim it as fact is an error that keeps on repeating, despite all corrections, because, perhaps, some people don't want it corrected.. they want it to be this way.. I don't know why.

the MSN then contacted the police , who confirmed that a call reporting this story had been made.. nothing more, nothing less. No confirmation of the story the caller told. No agreement that the story had legs. No statement as to the identity of who is owed the $25,000 or who posted a 'bounty' nothing , nothing , nothing.. The confusion arises when the call , and the content of the call are merged into one as if both really exist, and as far as is known, only the call exists..

What the police said, was.. certainly, this call was made to Crimestoppers.. and for some reason, I cant figure out why, people are leaping from that to the actual fact of the $25,000, the bounty, etc, where there is absolutely and categorically and unequivocally no confirmation of this accusation made by the caller to Crimestoppers as having any fact in it at all.


No argument as to whether the call was made, it was.. but the police definitely declined to give the story any air or respectability.

So...a call to Crimestoppers doesn't make it a fact. It makes it merely a call to Crimestoppers and that is all it makes it. It isn't a matter of opinion or choice, it's a matter of what is, and what isn't.

 

[plongi]

The pink shows the main drive through the forest. down to the rifle range , Scouts Orienteering etc.
The aqua is where you would divert off to get to Karlies spot.
Green circle is the area where she was found.
Orange is Milats territory.

The first time I ever went to the forest I naturally followed the pink line .. through the pines and then reaching the native forest.
Milat who had knowledge of the forest would veer right and head over to the northern side which isn't on the commonly driven path. You go his way for a reason as its not really a through pass unless you have a good 4 wld. That is once you reach the native forest. The pines are just pines with nowhere to hide anything. But when the forest starts its tough.

Following the pink line, its easier to get deep into native forest in any car. Unless you divert off the main tracks then it gets a bit more serious.

So check it out and see what you can come up with.
To me it looks like straight in to what seems remote. Whether knowingly or by basic follow your nose stuff I dont know.


The overhead shot shows how far of the track she was " blue tent" is that far enough to think she wont be found ?

 

[Puggle]

Allegedly was only on one of the items bolded in red - not the other 4 items.

But yes, I take your point regarding possible misrepresentation. It did come across to me though as the items were being portrayed as facts, as in facts that are proven as true.

My point is that if someone new comes to the forum, and reads those sort of "facts" it could create all sorts of havoc and rumours spread, especially as there were no links to any of them.

I suppose it all depends on the individual and how they want to interpret something .... so a mute point I guess...could go round and round and round in circles debating the same point and still end up Nowhere.

Everything listed has had a MSM article attached to it ......for the life of me I can't seem to find the media thread to link ATM

and these are not new things.... they (Each Article) has been discussed at length over many months.... I think it is probably all our responsibility to direct posters to those links if we see that they have misunderstood something as being a fact rather than fiction..... just as you did with the particular wording of "Wanted".....it could have been phrased better as you said.

Again I think the point FromGermany has been misrepresented ..... It was an attempt to highlight what have been Mainstream Media Articles..

I'm keen to see how the police investigation is going with Fraud Charges .... keep wondering why that is taking so long as I thought there would be heaps of evidence like CCTV images if there were thousands of transaction over the years...

 

[plongi]

If you read down in this article it talks of the bones having clothes on them

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arc...ied-10-years-ago/story-e6frg6o6-1225914292794

 

[Trooper]

[QUOTE

The first time I ever went to the forest I naturally followed the pink line .. through the pines and then reaching the native forest.
Milat who had knowledge of the forest would veer right and head over to the northern side which isn't on the commonly driven path. You go his way for a reason as its not really a through pass unless you have a good 4 wld. That is once you reach the native forest. The pines are just pines with nowhere to hide anything. But when the forest starts its tough.

Following the pink line, its easier to get deep into native forest in any car. Unless you divert off the main tracks then it gets a bit more serious.

So check it out and see what you can come up with.
To me it looks like straight in to what seems remote. Whether knowingly or by basic follow your nose stuff I dont know.


The overhead shot shows how far of the track she was " blue tent" is that far enough to think she wont be found ?[/QUOTE]

(abbreviated by me for the hell of it! )...


Certainly far enough.. and I am assuming he did this in the dark... it's a bit of a stretch to imagine he did it in broad daylight, and unlike Milat, this wasn't Holdom's home territory,. Milats had used this forest for decades and it is reasonable to assume that Holdom's knowledge of that forest was confined to maps, if that, and not experience.

It is strange place, in daylight or/and in darkness, not that I have ever been anywhere near it after sundown. I have only driven into twice, and that under duress.

 

[Trooper]

I suppose it all depends on the individual and how they want to interpret something .... so a mute point I guess...could go round and round and round in circles debating the same point and still end up Nowhere.

Everything listed has had a MSM article attached to it ......for the life of me I can't seem to find the media thread to link ATM

and these are not new things.... they (Each Article) has been discussed at length over many months.... I think it is probably all our responsibility to direct posters to those links if we see that they have misunderstood something as being a fact rather than fiction..... just as you did with the particular wording of "Wanted".....it could have been phrased better as you said.

Again I think the point FromGermany has been misrepresented ..... It was an attempt to highlight what have been Mainstream Media Articles..

I'm keen to see how the police investigation is going with Fraud Charges .... keep wondering why that is taking so long as I thought there would be heaps of evidence like CCTV images if there were thousands of transaction over the years...

but mainstream articles at no time have said that Karlie had the $25,000 etc, and the $5000 bounty stuff, all mainstream news said was someone had rung Crimestoppers with the story. Nothing more than that. I am sure plenty of people rang Crimestoppers with the story that Karlie left Alice Springs in a flying saucer, but it wasn't worth printing.

 

[Puggle]

The pink shows the main drive through the forest. down to the rifle range , Scouts Orienteering etc.
The aqua is where you would divert off to get to Karlies spot.
Green circle is the area where she was found.
Orange is Milats territory.

The first time I ever went to the forest I naturally followed the pink line .. through the pines and then reaching the native forest.
Milat who had knowledge of the forest would veer right and head over to the northern side which isn't on the commonly driven path. You go his way for a reason as its not really a through pass unless you have a good 4 wld. That is once you reach the native forest. The pines are just pines with nowhere to hide anything. But when the forest starts its tough.

Following the pink line, its easier to get deep into native forest in any car. Unless you divert off the main tracks then it gets a bit more serious.

So check it out and see what you can come up with.
To me it looks like straight in to what seems remote. Whether knowingly or by basic follow your nose stuff I dont know.


The overhead shot shows how far of the track she was " blue tent" is that far enough to think she wont be found ?

Not sure Plongi ... That's so cool what you have done there. Thank you.

 

[Puggle]

but mainstream articles at no time have said that Karlie had the $25,000 etc, and the $5000 bounty stuff, all mainstream news said was someone had rung Crimestoppers with the story. Nothing more than that. I am sure plenty of people rang Crimestoppers with the story that Karlie left Alice Springs in a flying saucer, but it wasn't worth printing.

Thank you, you have just confirmed what I was saying.


That being the point...

ETA: I didn't see any MSM articles mention reports to crimestoppers about any flying saucers.

 

[Puggle]

I for some reason always imagined the spot to be like some sort of camping area.... Your (Plongi) shows that it's much more dense bushland area...

So IMO it probably was far enough in to think her body wouldn't be found.

Can I ask why you are curious about this aspect of the disposal site?

 

[Panda]

I suppose it all depends on the individual and how they want to interpret something .... so a mute point I guess...could go round and round and round in circles debating the same point and still end up Nowhere.

Everything listed has had a MSM article attached to it ......for the life of me I can't seem to find the media thread to link ATM

and these are not new things.... they (Each Article) has been discussed at length over many months.... I think it is probably all our responsibility to direct posters to those links if we see that they have misunderstood something as being a fact rather than fiction..... just as you did with the particular wording of "Wanted".....it could have been phrased better as you said.

Again I think the point FromGermany has been misrepresented ..... It was an attempt to highlight what have been Mainstream Media Articles..

I'm keen to see how the police investigation is going with Fraud Charges .... keep wondering why that is taking so long as I thought there would be heaps of evidence like CCTV images if there were thousands of transaction over the years...

Thanks Puggle.

Yes, I agree, I think we'd all love to know what's going on. I am surprised there hasn't been more press releases from the police - I thought there would be heaps of evidence by now too.

 

[plongi]

Just more info for people here for the understanding of this.

I for some reason always imagined the spot to be like some sort of camping area.... Your (Plongi) shows that it's much more dense bushland area...

So IMO it probably was far enough in to think her body wouldn't be found.

Can I ask why you are curious about this aspect of the disposal site?