AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #8

[purpleandgreen]

Could you please provide link for these statements BBM?

The facts as I understand them are:

In order from post #181

He has been charged with Karlie's murder but not yet tried or found guilty (although I do suspect he is).

He has NOT been charged with Khandalyce's murder.

He has not been charged with stealing anyone's identity - all we know is that he had Karlie's expired card and that her daughter's birth certificate was found at his sisters

We do not know who made the withdrawals at the ATMs. This has NOT been stated or confirmed by LE.

He is charged with murdering Karlie, and the way that her body was reported to have been found hardly constitutes a 'ceremony'. However, until he is found guilty of murder or an accessory to murder, he can't be held responsible for the means of disposing of her body.

Reports discussed earlier in these threads seem to suggest that dear little Khandalyce was in fact NOT buried, as her tiny remains were 'clean' for want of a better word and showed nothing to support this. And again, he has NOT been charged with her murder or with disposing of her body by burial.

I don't recall ever seeing any links to his employment record and / reasons for employment or lack thereof, but perhaps I missed it.

Finally, while you make no mention of any priors and therefore are not contravening sub judice, the tone of this post would I'm sure be deemed as prejudicial in a court of law and could well adversely affect any prosecution case on terms of a fair trial.

oh everything he does is so petty, so pernickety, so small minded, so timid , so sly..... murdering a tiny young girl, murdering her tinier younger daughter, stealing her identity, stealing the identity of her child, all for small amounts dribbled in week after week, no grand gesture, all skulking cowardice,.... the holding on to Khandalyce's birth certificate, using Karlie's key card and her birth certificate ( he must have had this in his possession to take out the ABN"s ) the slithery withdrawals from various ATM's, the repulsive burial ceremonies for his victims, the dribbling drooling drops of theft , $200 at a time max, year after year, the dribs and drabs of it. .. crawling around the AU countryside, slipping into various alias's , conducting himself as this person, then that person, all drab people, flicking thru his stack of idiotic ABN cards, pretending he is Twiggy, when his employment record will show he couldn't hold a job anywhere for long.. ... disgusting. In my opinion.

 

[SouthAussie]

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/...s-to-track-down-criminals-20140704-zsvtf.html

Fairfax Media has confirmed Australian law-enforcement agencies are using a technique known as a "tower dump", which gives police data about the identity, activity and location of any phone that connects to targeted cell towers over a set span of time, generally an hour or two.
A typical dump covers multiple towers, and mobile providers, and can net information about thousands of mobile phones.

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There would be a massive amount of tower dump data to go through in this case, as it covers such a large geographical area.
Eg: There are 24 towers/RF connections in the Belanglo State Forest area alone.
Also 3 near Tailem Bend and 17 near Murray Bridge (leading to Wynarka in SA).
And that is just for starters. Then there are the towers within range of possible perpetrators homes, places of employment/unemployment, etc.


http://www.rfnsa.com.au/nsa/index.cgi
Type relevant postcode into search box (2577=Belanglo, 5260=Tailem Bend, 5253=Murray Bridge) and highlight relevant state in Advanced Search to see tower locations.

 

[SouthAussie]

Could you please provide link for these statements BBM?


I don't recall ever seeing any links to his employment record and / reasons for employment or lack thereof, but perhaps I missed it.

I can help a little with this bit.

In this article from The Australian, it says (paraphrasing) ... Holdom found work in the mining industry and as an apprentice baker, but by 2007 he was leading a transient lifestyle in the eastern states.

There is also a statement from a friend in the article that says that the fatal accident in 2008 messed with Holdom's head, that he had a troubled relationship with his parents, and that he was looking for a woman who would control him. Elements of these things could perhaps be seen as possible contributing factors toward his employment/unemployment history.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-follower-friend/story-e6frg6nf-1227596567479

 

[Makara]

There would be a massive amount of tower dump data to go through in this case, as it covers such a large geographical area.
Eg: There are 24 towers/RF connections in the Belanglo State Forest area alone.
Also 3 near Tailem Bend and 17 near Murray Bridge (leading to Wynarka in SA).
And that is just for starters. Then there are the towers within range of possible perpetrators homes, places of employment/unemployment, etc.


http://www.rfnsa.com.au/nsa/index.cgi
Type relevant postcode into search box (2577=Belanglo, 5260=Tailem Bend, 5253=Murray Bridge) and highlight relevant state in Advanced Search to see tower locations.

Great to see you back with us SouthAussie. Thanks for the link, it's exactly what I've been looking for.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Thanks SA, and thanks for paraphrasing.

I can help a little with this bit.

In this article from The Australian, it says (paraphrasing) ... Holdom found work in the mining industry and as an apprentice baker, but by 2007 he was leading a transient lifestyle in the eastern states.

There is also a statement from a friend in the article that says that the fatal accident in 2008 messed with Holdom's head, that he had a troubled relationship with his parents, and that he was looking for a woman who would control him. Elements of these things could perhaps be seen as possible contributing factors toward his employment/unemployment history.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-follower-friend/story-e6frg6nf-1227596567479

 

[SouthAussie]

Great to see you back with us SouthAussie. Thanks for the link, it's exactly what I've been looking for.

Thanks Makara.

There is another link here that I had saved from the Gary Tweddle case. It shows actual maps of the tower locations. Unfortunately the link is offline at the moment.

http://maps.spench.net/rf/#🤬🤬🤬=-33....tchison&tiles=[{"t":"u/black"},{"t":"s/all"}]

 

[Makara]

Thanks Makara.

There is another link here that I had saved from the Gary Tweddle case. It shows actual maps of the tower locations. Unfortunately the link is offline at the moment.

http://maps.spench.net/rf/#🤬🤬🤬=-33....tchison&tiles=[{"t":"u/black"},{"t":"s/all"}]

Thanks SA. That's the one I was looking for. :banghead:

 

[Makara]

Could you please provide link for these statements BBM?

The facts as I understand them are:

In order from post #181

He has been charged with Karlie's murder but not yet tried or found guilty (although I do suspect he is).

He has NOT been charged with Khandalyce's murder.

He has not been charged with stealing anyone's identity - all we know is that he had Karlie's expired card and that her daughter's birth certificate was found at his sisters

We do not know who made the withdrawals at the ATMs. This has NOT been stated or confirmed by LE.

He is charged with murdering Karlie, and the way that her body was reported to have been found hardly constitutes a 'ceremony'. However, until he is found guilty of murder or an accessory to murder, he can't be held responsible for the means of disposing of her body.

Reports discussed earlier in these threads seem to suggest that dear little Khandalyce was in fact NOT buried, as her tiny remains were 'clean' for want of a better word and showed nothing to support this. And again, he has NOT been charged with her murder or with disposing of her body by burial.

I don't recall ever seeing any links to his employment record and / reasons for employment or lack thereof, but perhaps I missed it.

Finally, while you make no mention of any priors and therefore are not contravening sub judice, the tone of this post would I'm sure be deemed as prejudicial in a court of law and could well adversely affect any prosecution case on terms of a fair trial.

Thanks purpleandgreen. Trooper has stated that what she posted is her opinion only, not fact and should be taken as such.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Sorry, I hadn't noticed the 'In my opinion'. I could have sworn it wasn't there yesterday, but perhaps I just didn't read closely enough when I revisited this morning.

Thanks purpleandgreen. Trooper has stated that what she posted is her opinion only, not fact and should be taken as such.

 

[Trooper]

Could you please provide link for these statements BBM?

The facts as I understand them are:

In order from post #181

He has been charged with Karlie's murder but not yet tried or found guilty (although I do suspect he is).

He has NOT been charged with Khandalyce's murder.

He has not been charged with stealing anyone's identity - all we know is that he had Karlie's expired card and that her daughter's birth certificate was found at his sisters

We do not know who made the withdrawals at the ATMs. This has NOT been stated or confirmed by LE.

He is charged with murdering Karlie, and the way that her body was reported to have been found hardly constitutes a 'ceremony'. However, until he is found guilty of murder or an accessory to murder, he can't be held responsible for the means of disposing of her body.

Reports discussed earlier in these threads seem to suggest that dear little Khandalyce was in fact NOT buried, as her tiny remains were 'clean' for want of a better word and showed nothing to support this. And again, he has NOT been charged with her murder or with disposing of her body by burial.

I don't recall ever seeing any links to his employment record and / reasons for employment or lack thereof, but perhaps I missed it.

Finally, while you make no mention of any priors and therefore are not contravening sub judice, the tone of this post would I'm sure be deemed as prejudicial in a court of law and could well adversely affect any prosecution case on terms of a fair trial.

I stated clearly that this was my opinion. . Even after reading your opinion , which is all your post is, not a litany of fact, it still is my opinion. .

It is only your opinion, for example, that there is no ceremony attached to Karlie's death. I think you are wrong there, .. the location, the method, the travelling to and from the site, even the time of day, and the subconscious choosing of the site all constitutes ceremony. It doesn't need the murderer to be aware of this element, but all burial, or disposal, or discarding of the human body by another human is a ceremony.

Khandalyce's bones, being clean , and therefore not attached to ceremony or burial, is merely your opinion.. it isn't fact. My mere opinion is, that the very choice of preserving the bones of the child, choosing the suitcase, adding the particular clothing, the coat, the tutu, and particularly and significantly, the quilt. The hand made quilt, made by Granma Connie. Placing the bones in the suitcase, folding the clothes, arranging the artifacts... not ceremony?

Re the employment record, in my opinion , his record will be void of all employment success of any type whatsoever. Your opinion may be entirely different on this.

As for 'tone' .. I don't think you are writing here as an officer of the court, that would be a ridiculous conclusion to come to, but even so, I am not sure that your capacity to judge 'tone' is up to speed.... as for prejudicial .. here is a typical example, very much in general 'tone' as anyone else's using this thread, as much as mine is,

PurpleandGreen = "but not yet tried or found guilty (although I do suspect he is). you see what you did there??

 

[Makara]

I can help a little with this bit.

In this article from The Australian, it says (paraphrasing) ... Holdom found work in the mining industry and as an apprentice baker, but by 2007 he was leading a transient lifestyle in the eastern states.

There is also a statement from a friend in the article that says that the fatal accident in 2008 messed with Holdom's head, that he had a troubled relationship with his parents, and that he was looking for a woman who would control him. Elements of these things could perhaps be seen as possible contributing factors toward his employment/unemployment history.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-follower-friend/story-e6frg6nf-1227596567479

Thanks for paraphrasing SA.

BBM: So Holdom found work in the mining industry, albeit as an apprentice baker. Perhaps this was the incentive for the name KP Exploration Drilling. Not that the thought process behind the name or the name itself really matters in this case at all.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Exactly, my post is NOT a litany of fact, it simply centres around what has been proven to be correct and what hasn't. No more, no less. I do suspect he is guilty, but I am waiting for it to be proven in a court of law.

Semantics, semantics and damned semantics! Much like data, you can make them do whatever you wish. To me a ceremony is something to be celebrated not disposing of the body of a young woman who has been violently murdered. And yes, I know that there are tribal ceremonies etc, as I said, semantics and each of us obviously interprets then differently, based on our own life experiences etc.

Hopefully you're right about the handling of little Khandalyce's body, and that whoever was responsible did do it with love. Sadly I don't believe that to be the case, and while I can't immediately supply the link so I'll say IMO, I seem to remember LE saying that she was just 'thrown' somewhere and forgotten about until something happened that changed the circumstances. I just can't bring myself to call her death ceremonious since have been repeatedly IMO told by LE that she died in violently in terrible evil circumstances. I can only call that a disgraceful, very sad tragedy.

Re the employment, it was more a link to substantiate it, which SA has been able to do. Thanks again, SA.

No, I certainly don't purport to be an officer of the court, but I do have a long and very well qualified background embedded in identifying and interrogating tone and tonal use, and yes, my capacity to judge tone is very much 'up to speed'. What I do know, is that Social Media is a huge influencer and none of know who is reading these threads, so we need to exercise care. I also care very much about the tone of WS and how it's perceived in the community and by guests and am always mindful of this and endeavour to be respectful.

I stated clearly that this was my opinion. . Even after reading your opinion , which is all your post is, not a litany of fact, it still is my opinion. .

It is only your opinion, for example, that there is no ceremony attached to Karlie's death. I think you are wrong there, .. the location, the method, the travelling to and from the site, even the time of day, and the subconscious choosing of the site all constitutes ceremony. It doesn't need the murderer to be aware of this element, but all burial, or disposal, or discarding of the human body by another human is a ceremony.

Khandalyce's bones, being clean , and therefore not attached to ceremony or burial, is merely your opinion.. it isn't fact. My mere opinion is, that the very choice of preserving the bones of the child, choosing the suitcase, adding the particular clothing, the coat, the tutu, and particularly and significantly, the quilt. The hand made quilt, made by Granma Connie. Placing the bones in the suitcase, folding the clothes, arranging the artifacts... not ceremony?

Re the employment record, in my opinion , his record will be void of all employment success of any type whatsoever. Your opinion may be entirely different on this.

As for 'tone' .. I don't think you are writing here as an officer of the court, that would be a ridiculous conclusion to come to, but even so, I am not sure that your capacity to judge 'tone' is up to speed.... as for prejudicial .. here is a typical example, very much in general 'tone' as anyone else's using this thread, as much as mine is,

PurpleandGreen = "but not yet tried or found guilty (although I do suspect he is). you see what you did there??

 

[Trooper]

I can help a little with this bit.

In this article from The Australian, it says (paraphrasing) ... Holdom found work in the mining industry and as an apprentice baker, but by 2007 he was leading a transient lifestyle in the eastern states.

There is also a statement from a friend in the article that says that the fatal accident in 2008 messed with Holdom's head, that he had a troubled relationship with his parents, and that he was looking for a woman who would control him. Elements of these things could perhaps be seen as possible contributing factors toward his employment/unemployment history.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-follower-friend/story-e6frg6nf-1227596567479

Thanks for this, SouthAussie.. I had forgotten the bit about apprentice baker, maybe that's where he learned to love dough.<modsnip>

I checked the price of renting a vehicle, for the journey he, and Haze and the kids were on when he rolled it.. ( it was a rented vehicle ) and it was a surprising sum of money,.. around $700 and this was back in 2008, I don't know how long he had rented it for, but this price was for 3 days and didn't include petrol, not the kind of money your usual collector of Newstart has lying around doing nothing....

 

[plongi]

Yeh I mean in relation to this case.
Just another lurk from assuming another persons life.
Not sure if I had heard it mentioned here.
I you were a woman of similiar age would be very easy.
I always thought they need to get a national medical data base happening.

Do you mean in this case, plongi, or more generally?

Generally, If someone was either accessing medical services, or self-medicating with drugs obtained by them through a prescription from a medical practitioner; using someone else's Medicare card, I think it would lead to, at the very least, fraud charges. It could also be a nice little earner if that person was on-selling prescription drugs or restricted over-the-counter medicines; especially the particular drugs which are used as 'precursors' to illegal ones.

I'm not sure about the relevance in this particular case though. If so, talk about 'taking someone for all they're worth'. Disgusting.

 

[Suziek]

http://www.kidspot.com.au/breaking-haunting-image-of-khandalyce-at-car-show/

Is this the whole photo or has it been cropped?

What strikes me as odd about it is that it doesn't really seem to be a photo of anything in particular. It doesn't seem like it was meant to be a photo of Khandalyce, the car or the person just in the frame. Almost like it was taken by accident when fiddling with the settings.

I don't particularly see it as relevant but odd to post a mishmash photo like that on facebook unless it was part of a photo dump. I don't have a clear memory of the types of other photos that were posted at the place where this picture originated from.....

IMO it looks like a young woman standing on the left...thin legs etc...perhaps it is Karlie

 

[JaneSA]

Does anyone know where the info that the police had pings from Holdom's phone which would place him in the Belanglo region originally came from?
Was it in a police statement or only reported by media?

 

[JaneSA]

What I mean is, I can find quotes like this one from Sky News, that say "It's understood police have been able to trace a telephone belonging to Holdom via pings off mobile phone towers in the Belanglo State Forest", but phrases like "it is understood" hide a myriad of journalistic sins.
Have the police actually stated this as a fact?

 

[Makara]

Does anyone know where the info that the police had pings from Holdom's phone which would place him in the Belanglo region originally came from?
Was it in a police statement or only reported by media?

Sleuth it JaneSA. That's what we do here. You could try Google or check through the Media/Timeline thread.

 

[JaneSA]

Ug! sorry for the weird font in above post and for some reason I cannot edit it either.

 

[Makara]

Ug! sorry for the weird font in above post and for some reason I cannot edit it either.

I've just fixed it.