AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #8

[DinkyDi]

Also pretty sure if you have an ABN you can get things like fuel cards enabling you to pay later
Imo

 

[Trooper]

In the month before her death, Karlie, and one must assume, Khandalyce, and Karlie's card did some travelling too.. on the 3rd Nov 2008, Karlie has travelled from Adelaide to Port Augusta..from Port Augusta back to Adelaide, from Adelaide to Alice Springs, and back to Adelaide, from Adelaide to Mt Gambier, and from Mt Gambier to Canberra.

Kilometers.... Adelaide to Port Augusta.. = 306.9

....................... Port Augusta to Adelaide... = 306.9

........................Adelaide to Alice Springs....=1526.0

........................Alice Springs to Adelaide.. = 1526.0

........................Adelaide to Mt Gambier... = 434.7

........................Mt Gambier to Canberra.. = 1018.2

...........That's a total of ........ 5118,7 kms..

That would have cost, in 2008, assuming the same sort of car, although I think Karlie's was older.... around $610 ... the single parent payment in 2008 was about $380 a week and I don't know if Karlie was getting child payment from Khandalyce's father. To me, that seems like a hell of a lot of money on that income to blow in a month on fuel. And both of them would have to eat, buying meals, etc.. and supplies, like nappies, even if they both slept in the car, and various other expenses a travel journey of that length entails. On a single parent pension.. I dunno... .

 

[JLZ]

Could you give me a link to where you read this information so I can research this further please, JLZ? Plongi has piqued my interest.

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All in my opinion, unless from personal observation, phrased as a question or where a reference is provided.

I worked with it.

I couldn't find much of a link but perhaps:
https://books.google.com.au/books?i...=health insurance commission database&f=false
page 326, Administrative data. Book published in 2003.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

according to the bank withdrawals' on Karlies account, Holdom, almost immediately upon murdering Karlie, shouts himself quite a long tour around Australia in the hottest months, too..

The police say, with a fair amount of determination, that Karlie was murdered 15/12/2008

Cash out of her account, on the 16/12 and the 19th, at Charnwood and Deakin ACT..

then he leaves Canberra because on the 22nd he and the card are in Broadview, SA. The card stays there with the holder of it, I presume ,until the 6th January. A Xmas break in Broadview, then off again, on the 6th of Jan, 2009.. now this is the long haul to Alice Springs.. stop for a fillup on Karlie's card at Coober Pedy , SA on the 6/1/09, then on to Alice arriving at least on the 7th , use Karlies card in Alice, then on the 10th of January back in Broadview, using the card again.

Some mileage figures... Deakin ACT to Broadview SA = 1172.1

Broadview to Coober Pedy....= 840.6

Coober Pedy to Alice Springs = 688.2

Alice Springs to Broadview = 1526.5

and then the trip back to Canberra......................... =1172.1

All up, that's 5398.3 klms... of those, 3052.0 klms were done in 3 days.

I don't think it's possible that he had Khandalyce with him on that journey. (a) he would have been very noticeable, a young man travelling alone with a small child, .. (b) I don't think he could keep up the speed for that distance without stopping a lot and attending to a baby. Not saying it couldn't happen, but it would have been difficult in spades. I recall that mad man from WA who snatched his little son and drove clear across to Coober Pedy, so it can be done, I guess... but he stopped at places for quite a while along the way.

This time schedule doesn't allow any stopping time at all. Not even nap times. Has anyone done anything like this distance in this time frame?? I haven't. I've taken days to do it, clear across the USA, but that took me 3 weeks.... I have never been able to cope with corn since then. It once took me 17 hours from Melbourne to Brisbane, but that was in a top notch car and two drivers.

I wonder if he hired a vehicle again for this journey in summer. Hard driving in that weather on both car and driver. I don't see how he could have of his own, a late model highpowered car..


Maybe Khandalyce was dropped off at whomsoever's at Broadview, and picked up on the way back. Who? why? Who lives, or lived at Broadview, or Enfield, or Prospect or around there?

I don't know, at what point a 12 months driving ban after a car crash would have set in?

 

[Trooper]

I have to make it clear that the journeys I tracked of both Karlie and the card after her death are based on the police statements of Karlie's bank account, of which it is highly likely that not all transactions were published.. the ones that were , the police said, were the ones they were most interested in. There may have been other journeys in between the ones I tracked.

Karlie's trip Mt Gambier to Canberra is a guesstimate,,, she may have gone back to Adelaide then to Canberra, or gone around the Victorian coast, Warnambool, Geelong, Melbourne, Canberra, but the police didn't publish any transactions that point to that and the days elapsed between bank transactions don't point that way either..

 

[Bohemian]

I worked with it.

I couldn't find much of a link but perhaps:
https://books.google.com.au/books?i...=health insurance commission database&f=false
page 326, Administrative data. Book published in 2003.

Thanks, JLZ

 

[JaneSA]

I don't know, at what point a 12 months driving ban after a car crash would have set in?

Presumably almost from the date of the accident, which rules DH out as the driver.

 

[BlueBayou]

Presumably almost from the date of the accident, which rules DH out as the driver.

Unless he drove unlicensed.

 

[Makara]

Be careful of what you're all discussing here with regard to sub judice.

 

[Found]

Also pretty sure if you have an ABN you can get things like fuel cards enabling you to pay later
Imo

You need more then just an ABN for that. It's actually harder to get credit with just abn as opposed to an actual employment history. You need a few years worth of business accounts.


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[Maggie_May]

unless another person is with their phone

 

[Maggie_May]

Broadview is very close not only to where the BP OTR withdrawals were made on Hampstead Road but also very close indeed to Hampstead Rehab Centre where Hazel convalesced after the terrible accident.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/plac...m2!3m1!1s0x6ab0c9bc8b48a419:0x5033654628eaa80

 

[Maggie_May]

Awful thought that little K may have been effectively drugged and carted around all over the place

 

[Maggie_May]

A lot of people flout the law and just take a chance. IMO DH was the epitome of take a chance.

 

[DutchTreat]

I think it's pretty safe to say that whoever registered an ABN with Karlie's identity did it to either hide income or commit fraud. The devil in that detail will be revealed in court hopefully if they ever get to charge someone.

It might have been done for more than one reason.
If Karlie's centerlink payments had stopped, and Karlie was supposed to be still alive and well, there had to be financial activity going on on her bank account in order not to raise any suspicion.

If you'd pull off an identity fraud in order to 'keep someone alive' until there would be a better oppertunity/time for that person to become missing, that would not connect the murderer to her murder. You'd let the victim live on for some time and than let her go missing.

But while I'm thinking of this scenario, I just wonder if it could be pulled off.
Every bank transaction could be on CCTV. And as long as 'Karlie' is using her bank card 'she' could be on every camera, every time 'she' uses her bank card.

I guess there would actually never be a 'right moment' to stop the fraud and eventially get away with it.

 

[DutchTreat]

according to the bank withdrawals' on Karlies account, Holdom, almost immediately upon murdering Karlie, shouts himself quite a long tour around Australia in the hottest months, too..

The police say, with a fair amount of determination, that Karlie was murdered 15/12/2008

Cash out of her account, on the 16/12 and the 19th, at Charnwood and Deakin ACT..

then he leaves Canberra because on the 22nd he and the card are in Broadview, SA. The card stays there with the holder of it, I presume ,until the 6th January. A Xmas break in Broadview, then off again, on the 6th of Jan, 2009.. now this is the long haul to Alice Springs.. stop for a fillup on Karlie's card at Coober Pedy , SA on the 6/1/09, then on to Alice arriving at least on the 7th , use Karlies card in Alice, then on the 10th of January back in Broadview, using the card again.

Some mileage figures... Deakin ACT to Broadview SA = 1172.1

Broadview to Coober Pedy....= 840.6

Coober Pedy to Alice Springs = 688.2

Alice Springs to Broadview = 1526.5

and then the trip back to Canberra......................... =1172.1

All up, that's 5398.3 klms... of those, 3052.0 klms were done in 3 days.

I don't think it's possible that he had Khandalyce with him on that journey. (a) he would have been very noticeable, a young man travelling alone with a small child, .. (b) I don't think he could keep up the speed for that distance without stopping a lot and attending to a baby. Not saying it couldn't happen, but it would have been difficult in spades. I recall that mad man from WA who snatched his little son and drove clear across to Coober Pedy, so it can be done, I guess... but he stopped at places for quite a while along the way.

This time schedule doesn't allow any stopping time at all. Not even nap times. Has anyone done anything like this distance in this time frame?? I haven't. I've taken days to do it, clear across the USA, but that took me 3 weeks.... I have never been able to cope with corn since then. It once took me 17 hours from Melbourne to Brisbane, but that was in a top notch car and two drivers.

I wonder if he hired a vehicle again for this journey in summer. Hard driving in that weather on both car and driver. I don't see how he could have of his own, a late model highpowered car..


Maybe Khandalyce was dropped off at whomsoever's at Broadview, and picked up on the way back. Who? why? Who lives, or lived at Broadview, or Enfield, or Prospect or around there?

It might just be me not being a native English speaker. But to me it sounds like that you are convinced that DH for a fact was the person that used Karlie's bank card right after her death and then travelled back to Adelaide.

You can't know that for sure.
If police are saying that there was at least one man and two women involved in the identity fraud, you don't know who did which transaction.

However, police know that a man and at least two women have been responsible for the financial transactions and have lived at, or been associated with, homes in Davoren Park, Hillbank, Holden Hill and Charnwood, Canberra.

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-pol...l-service-area/task-force-mallee#.VlnpNXYvdki

Who was driving, where was Khandalyce at the time?
How and when did DH get to Canberra? With whom? With Karlie? In another vehicle?
Was he driving? Wasn't he driving? Was he allowed to drive? If he wasn't, did he stick to it? Who was using karlie's bank card? A man or a woman? WHEN did DH return to Adelaide? In which vehicle? Where was Karlie's car? If Karlie's car was left in Canberra (I don't know if it actually was), there must have been another car to return to Canberra. And on and on.

Your story sounds like it must have been DH doing all these things. Only thing you're not sure of is wether there was a second driver, he did or he didn't hire a car and if Khandyce was with DH or not.

I don't think you can know all that.

 

[Wolfinator]

It might just be me not being a native English speaker. But to me it sounds like that you are convinced that DH for a fact was the person that used Karlie's bank card right after her death and then travelled back to Adelaide.

You can't know that for sure.
If police are saying that there was at least one man and two women involved in the identity fraud, you don't know who did which transaction.

However, police know that a man and at least two women have been responsible for the financial transactions and have lived at, or been associated with, homes in Davoren Park, Hillbank, Holden Hill and Charnwood, Canberra.

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-pol...l-service-area/task-force-mallee#.VlnpNXYvdki

Who was driving, where was Khandalyce at the time?
How and when did DH get to Canberra? With whom? With Karlie? In another vehicle?
Was he driving? Wasn't he driving? Was he allowed to drive? If he wasn't, did he stick to it? Who was using karlie's bank card? A man or a woman? WHEN did DH return to Adelaide? In which vehicle? Where was Karlie's car? If Karlie's car was left in Canberra (I don't know if it actually was), there must have been another car to return to Canberra. And on and on.

Your story sounds like it must have been DH doing all these things. Only thing you're not sure of is wether there was a second driver, he did or he didn't hire a car and if Khandyce was with DH or not.

I don't think you can know all that.

I'm predicting that DJH did not have his own car (hire car in MVA) and he kept and used Karlie's - sold later. Only one car to manage IMO. Other than that - "I got nothing"


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[JaneSA]

It might just be me not being a native English speaker. But to me it sounds like that you are convinced that DH for a fact was the person that used Karlie's bank card right after her death and then travelled back to Adelaide.

You can't know that for sure.
If police are saying that there was at least one man and two women involved in the identity fraud, you don't know who did which transaction.

However, police know that a man and at least two women have been responsible for the financial transactions and have lived at, or been associated with, homes in Davoren Park, Hillbank, Holden Hill and Charnwood, Canberra.

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-pol...l-service-area/task-force-mallee#.VlnpNXYvdki

Who was driving, where was Khandalyce at the time?
How and when did DH get to Canberra? With whom? With Karlie? In another vehicle?
Was he driving? Wasn't he driving? Was he allowed to drive? If he wasn't, did he stick to it? Who was using karlie's bank card? A man or a woman? WHEN did DH return to Adelaide? In which vehicle? Where was Karlie's car? If Karlie's car was left in Canberra (I don't know if it actually was), there must have been another car to return to Canberra. And on and on.

Your story sounds like it must have been DH doing all these things. Only thing you're not sure of is wether there was a second driver, he did or he didn't hire a car and if Khandyce was with DH or not.

I don't think you can know all that.

You are spot on, Dutchtreat.
A million questions we have no idea about.

But one thing really bothers me, and that is that the card (whoever was carrying and using it) zipped straight back over to SA and then up to Alice Springs so quickly after Karlie's murder.

If it was true that Karlie's family believed she had left NT seeking work, as they initially told the media, to me it would make more sense for the card to be used around the eastern states, if the objective was proof of life.

Returning with the card to Alice Springs is bizarre unless there is a pressing reason to do so.

 

[JaneSA]

Ok, so this is possibly a loopy idea, but what if the reason the person carrying Karlie's card went to Alice Springs was to take Khandalyce back home and leave her with her family?

A tricky situation and I'm not sure how you could do that with a 2yo. Obviously you couldn't just turn up at mum's or gran's place and just drop her off, but maybe that was the vague plan, with details to be worked out later.

Maybe something went hideously wrong with that plan.

Just a wild flight of fancy, but who knows, it might lead someone here to think of something more...

 

[JaneSA]

TIME LINE

3/11/2008 Purchase at KFC (Port Augusta)
- 3 days later
- travels a distance of 310 km
6/11/2008 Purchase McDonalds (Rundle Mall, Adelaide)
- 3 days later
- travels 1,532 kms BACK to Alice Springs
- police sigthing was on 8 Nov travelling north to Alice Springs
9/11/2008 Eftpos Purchase Coles (Alice Springs)
- 5 days later
- travels 1,532 kms back to Adelaide
- Photos at Marion Shopping Centre taken
14/11/2008 ATM withdrawal (Kent Town)
- 3 days later
- travels 435 kms to Mt Gambier
17/11/2008 Rabbit Photo/Strandbags (Mt Gambier)
- 7 days later
- travels 1051 kms to Canberra
24/11/2008 ATM withdrawal Kippax Fair (Canberra)
DEATH Karlie was murdered between December 14 and 15, 2008
- 23 days after last transaction but only 1 or 2 days after murder
16/12/2008 Charnwood (Canberra)
- 3 days later
19/12/2008 Deakin (Canberra)
- 3 days later
- person with card has traveled 1,160 kms back to Adelaide
22/12/2008 BP OTR (Broadview)
- 14 days later
- person with card has traveled 849 kms to Coober Pedy
6/01/2009 Coober Pedy (Coober Pedy)
- 1 day later
- person with card has traveled 688 kms to Alice Springs
7/01/2009 EFTPOS Purchase Mobil (Alice Springs )
- 3 days later
- person with card has traveled 1,532 kms back to Adelaide
10/01/2009 ATM withdrawal BP (Broadview)