AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #8

[Amee]

Macabre, horrible and grisly, but little K's bones have been reported to have been "clean" and not to show signs of having been buried, so where does the disintegrating tissue go? and how on earth do people not see them when they are fossicking through an abandoned suitcase near Wynarka? :'(

"It was interesting because the bones themselves weren't bleached, so it didn't look like they have been out in the sun for a great period of time. They weren't dirty, so they didn't look like they had been buried. So it was surprising the level of degradation that we saw."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-22/forensic-team-searches-wynarka-suitcase-for-dna/6874714

Police have said they believe the body was in an advanced stage of decomposition before it was placed into the suitcase.

"We believe that most of the decomposition process occurred outside of the suitcase at another location," Detective superintendent Des Bray told media today.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/opinion/a/29025737/bones-found-in-suitcase-belonged-to-little-girl/

 

[Bohemian]

As horrible as it is, the only thing that comes to my mind is 'washed', cleaned with water.

In 'forensic biology/anthropology/taphonomy-speak', 'clean' just means 'the absence of degrading biological tissue' (IIRC from BForBiol course). I will try to find some information online for you tonight DT. (Have two 4 year olds to herd today, so no chance of posting before then).

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[plongi]

Staining and decomposition of some of the marks on the clothing indicate to us that the child died most likely since 2007," he said.

"It was interesting because the bones themselves weren't bleached, so it didn't look like they have been out in the sun for a great period of time. They weren't dirty, so they didn't look like they had been buried. So it was surprising the level of degradation that we saw."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-22/forensic-team-searches-wynarka-suitcase-for-dna/6874714

Police have said they believe the body was in an advanced stage of decomposition before it was placed into the suitcase.

"We believe that most of the decomposition process occurred outside of the suitcase at another location," Detective superintendent Des Bray told media today.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/opinion/a/29025737/bones-found-in-suitcase-belonged-to-little-girl/

 

[JaneSA]

It doesn't have to be a question of dumb or smart - when there is the presence of psychosis and/or drugs - there is generally a bit of both. What is always present is the motivation/need to get money to get High.

IMO he kept things with "perceived" value.

For example: Kandalyce was a clean skin. Could have got all the way to 18 without a criminal record or a photograph on authority's records.

How much would that have been worth on the black market or even just another round of welfare fraud with a new accomplice?

Fixating on "dichotomies" suggests you are viewing this from a black/white perspective. I suggest that just like life on this planet and every human personality in it - nothing is black and white.

Actions that are perceived as "dumb" can sit right alongside "smart" actions. It depends on skill set, motivation, learnt experience, situational influence, sobriety and on and on and on.

On any given day I can have moments of brilliance right alongside stupid choices - to err is human.

From the very scant information we have including Facebook pages (which are dubious indications of personality at the best of times) it is impossible to make an assessment on DH IQ and personality. And perhaps now that I get to this point that's what you are really trying to say?

From your natural position of innocent until proven guilty - your bias is to seek the inconsistencies in the angry judgement calls being made and fair enough but...

I think at this point in time until the full information comes to hand and DJH has his day in court - you'll be running exhaustingly in circles. The vast majority of us no doubt have the highest faith and loyalty to LE and a lot of anger - the judgement calls will keep coming - you'll need a lot of energy JaneSA!!! But somehow I think you are up for the challenge [emoji1]


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Thanks for that and for understanding my perspective of innocent until proven guilty.
But don't think I am not angry, on a deeply personal level, because I am. I just want to be angry with the right person or people.

 

[possumheart]

Toni Blundell, from Charnwood, Canberra, was just 16 when she announced she was engaged with Mr Holdom on Facebook in July 2012. Police are reportedly treating her as a witness, but not a suspect, in their investigation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-online-diary-relationship.html#ixzz3sslW9EFb

yes, I am only presuming she was a witness to this suitcase moving episode, I don't see anywhere else what she would be a 'witness ' to for the police to state this..

She may be a 'witness' to him having multiple phones, and that's all.

 

[Maggie_May]

South Australia Police have now confirmed that the child was the victim of: "... just a horrible violent death and it definitely wasn’t an accidental death."

:'( I just cannot get over WHY you would have to commit a "horrible and violent" act in order to snuff out the life of a tiny little girl!! It speaks of high emotion and rage and yet how/why would you imagine that darling child could engender such rage? Her mother (as despicable as it is) MAY be "understandable" in that her interactions seem to have caused such rage but why anyone would have to do this to a toddler is unthinkably evil. No wonder Des Bray used that word to describe "these people" a number of times

Staining and decomposition of some of the marks on the clothing indicate to us that the child died most likely since 2007," he said.

 

[JaneSA]

Pardon me if this has previously been answered, but can anyone tell me the make, model and year of this car?
I am useless with cars

 

[Makara]

Pardon me if this has previously been answered, but can anyone tell me the make, model and year of this car?
I am useless with cars

Jane, this was discussed ad nauseam in previous threads. Do you feel that knowing the details of this car would help in the investigation?

 

[Wexford]

oh hell no argument on that one, both of them, blabbing blabbing blabbing... both are in the same situation, in one sense, except Hazel isn't incarcerated... I have no doubts that high priced barrister who materialised when Hazel was merely meeting with detectives was not there out of the love and admiration of Hazel. She has been relying on legal advice since day 1..... One of the advantages TaskForce Mallee has is that Hazel cant contact Holdum freely and Holdom cannot contact Hazel freely... a very big advantage.

BBM and wants to keep it that way

 

[Wexford]

Has to be more than just the tower dumps

Im going to take a wild guess and say they have somehow managed to recover text messages or possibly emails on phones....all things are possible in this day and age. It is nearly impossible to completely delete data. Nearly all data is recoverable.

 

[SouthAussie]

South Australia Police have now confirmed that the child was the victim of: "... just a horrible violent death and it definitely wasn’t an accidental death."

:'( I just cannot get over WHY you would have to commit a "horrible and violent" act in order to snuff out the life of a tiny little girl!! It speaks of high emotion and rage and yet how/why would you imagine that darling child could engender such rage? Her mother (as despicable as it is) MAY be "understandable" in that her interactions seem to have caused such rage but why anyone would have to do this to a toddler is unthinkably evil. No wonder Des Bray used that word to describe "these people" a number of times

I’m not going to be surprised when I find out that ice is/was involved. IMO

 

[Trooper]

Im going to take a wild guess and say they have somehow managed to recover text messages or possibly emails on phones....all things are possible in this day and age. It is nearly impossible to completely delete data. Nearly all data is recoverable.

none of the people implicated in this crime seem to be tech savvy to me, Wex.. Sure they were cunning and shifty, but it all has the air of improvisation, except for the call to Colleen, I reckon that was intensely rehearsed.. I feel sure that as the dear little ex fiancée said, he had 2 phones under the car seat, but it is just possible that his unconscious habit of hoarding the sentimental relics of his crimes along with the low level techie grip may have been a real bonus to Task Force Mallee.

 

[Trooper]

I’m not going to be surprised when I find out that ice is/was involved. IMO

... Ice. . I haven't got to grips yet that he is the killer of both Karlie and Khandalyce, or if he contracted Khandalyce's murder out. What that would cost, and who would apply for the job is a whole other thread. And they are both different murders, in my perspective .. Karlie, possibly, and probably an ice fuelled rage... but Khandalyce isn't the spontaneous thing .. as soon as he murders Karlie he realises he has to kill Khandalyce.. it is astonishing, to me, that he appears to let days slide by, ( a short time after, says Des, now , like everyone else, I don't know exactly what this means in hours or days) .. he has to get to that same pitch of murderous capability, perhaps even more to accomplish this, Des says it was violent, I cant dwell on that right now.. but how does he do that? would ice be enough?

 

[Wexford]

none of the people implicated in this crime seem to be tech savvy to me, Wex.. Sure they were cunning and shifty, but it all has the air of improvisation, except for the call to Colleen, I reckon that was intensely rehearsed.. I feel sure that as the dear little ex fiancée said, he had 2 phones under the car seat, but it is just possible that his unconscious habit of hoarding the sentimental relics of his crimes along with the low level techie grip may have been a real bonus to Task Force Mallee.

Thanks Trooper, I think maybe only a very few years ago people did believe deleting a text meant it was gone. Data recovery is amazing and while I think I am fair to moderately tech savvy I have only just recently learnt of the extent to which we can recover data. Deleted text messages stay on your phone until they are overwritten. I cannot help but wonder if telcos also can recover text messages to some extent. Big brother really is watching.

 

[Makara]

... Ice. . I haven't got to grips yet that he is the killer of both Karlie and Khandalyce, or if he contracted Khandalyce's murder out. What that would cost, and who would apply for the job is a whole other thread. And they are both different murders, in my perspective .. Karlie, possibly, and probably an ice fuelled rage... but Khandalyce isn't the spontaneous thing .. as soon as he murders Karlie he realises he has to kill Khandalyce.. it is astonishing, to me, that he appears to let days slide by, ( a short time after, says Des, now , like everyone else, I don't know exactly what this means in hours or days) .. he has to get to that same pitch of murderous capability, perhaps even more to accomplish this, Des says it was violent, I cant dwell on that right now.. but how does he do that? would ice be enough?

Perhaps the simple fact of Khandalyce crying for her mother was enough to trip his trigger again.

 

[Bohemian]

As horrible as it is, the only thing that comes to my mind is 'washed', cleaned with water.

In 'forensic biology/anthropology/taphonomy-speak', 'clean' just means 'the absence of degrading biological tissue' (IIRC from BForBiol course). I will try to find some information online for you tonight DT. (Have two 4 year olds to herd today, so no chance of posting before then).

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In my opinion until academic source supplied.

As promised, Dutch, here is a link to an academic source:

'Differential decomposition patterns of human remains in variable environments of the Midwest'
Melissa A. Pope, University of South Florida (2010)

(Note: link downloads.pdf)

http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2740&context=etd

The study was done in the US but should give an detailed overview of decomp. If it's too involved, let me know and I'll see if I can find something less scholarly.

Shari Forbes, a Professor at the University of Technology, Sydney, (UTS) is in the process of setting up a 'body farm' in the Blue Mountains. The last I heard she had funding and 30 donated bodies but I'm not sure if any studies have been done so far. Or even if the articles are available gratis online.

There is also a great book called 'The Body Farm' about the facility at Texas State University. Not sure of the author of the book but there are plenty of MSM articles about TSU's 'Body Farm' online.

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Note: 3 x 4 year olds successfully herded. I received 'time off' for 'good behaviour'

 

[SouthAussie]

Perhaps the simple fact of Khandalyce crying for her mother was enough to trip his trigger again.

Yes, I think that the triggers can be quite 'normal' things .... like a child crying relentlessly for her absent mum.
When I look at the nature of many violent ice-fuelled rages - Phil Walsh's murder by his otherwise-upstanding son springs to mind - and the amount of the drug that is now regularly used in some/many demographics, it just makes me think of ice. In fact, a few things make me think of ice in this case. The financial aspects do too - and I do not believe the bounty thing, but that would come from a mind that thinks like that too. (If that makes sense lol)

 

[plongi]

Maybe he didnt have Kandahlyse and needed to wait till he could take her.
Maybe he did have her and was working out what to do ... then woops.
Maybe someone else had her and did the job. After getting the nod or the truth.

... Ice. . I haven't got to grips yet that he is the killer of both Karlie and Khandalyce, or if he contracted Khandalyce's murder out. What that would cost, and who would apply for the job is a whole other thread. And they are both different murders, in my perspective .. Karlie, possibly, and probably an ice fuelled rage... but Khandalyce isn't the spontaneous thing .. as soon as he murders Karlie he realises he has to kill Khandalyce.. it is astonishing, to me, that he appears to let days slide by, ( a short time after, says Des, now , like everyone else, I don't know exactly what this means in hours or days) .. he has to get to that same pitch of murderous capability, perhaps even more to accomplish this, Des says it was violent, I cant dwell on that right now.. but how does he do that? would ice be enough?

 

[Makara]

DH seemed to have a penchant for hiding Karlie's belongings in plain sight. The suitcases stored at his sister's place. Karlie's bank card in his wallet (and most probably Karlie's phone also hidden under his car seat IMO.).

IMO he did the same thing with the remains of Khandalyce and the suitcase she was found in. He hung onto everything for years but I don't think it was for sentimental reasons. It was a form of control. He had control over it all and always knew exactly where it was.

I don't believe that DH dumped the suitcase near Wynarka. That goes against his MO IMO. Whoever dumped that suitcase had possession of it for years and knew what it contained. Something has triggered the need to be rid of the suitcase in early to mid 2015 or even late 2014. What was going on with the custodian of the suitcase during that time period to finally want to get rid of it?

 

[Trooper]

DH seemed to have a penchant for hiding Karlie's belongings in plain sight. The suitcases stored at his sister's place. Karlie's bank card in his wallet (and most probably Karlie's phone also hidden under his car seat IMO.).

IMO he did the same thing with the remains of Khandalyce and the suitcase she was found in. He hung onto everything for years but I don't think it was for sentimental reasons. It was a form of control. He had control over it all and always knew exactly where it was.

I don't believe that DH dumped the suitcase near Wynarka. That goes against his MO IMO. Whoever dumped that suitcase had possession of it for years and knew what it contained. Something has triggered the need to be rid of the suitcase in early to mid 2015 or even late 2014. What was going on with the custodian of the suitcase during that time period to finally want to get rid of it?

I don't believe DH dumped it either.. geoprofilingly ( if that is the word) it makes more sense if that suitcase came out of Adelaide, on a time constraint leash. .. Adelaide to Wynarka and back.. No. I do not for one moment think that he could throw it away. And yes, Mak.. for something that had been so well hidden, for so long, somebody got a bee in their bonnet, and I have wondered if the trigger was related to the. . dang it, to the current situation DH finds himself in, as the reason for him being there as the fact itself . What I mean is, that the reason DH is currently is not available to chat to us all, was the trigger. Drugs, theft, murder, maybe these were forgivable but not this current thing of Daniels. Perhaps that just tipped the minder of the suitcase over the edge? everyone has a tipping point..

There is a terrific carelessness in the suitcase exposure that , while it has this element throughout the crime , it isn't as blatant as the tossed case at Wynarka.. Something of this has been done in disgust and fury and repudiation.