AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #8

[Trooper]

When I saw the eggthrowing wheelchair pusher, it crossed my mind immediately, he could be the suitcase tosser. Under Hazel's orders. 'get rid of it'. He doesn't know what's in it. He just hurls it from the car , turns around and comes back, or even, Hazel is driving, she looked like she would not be inclined to let anyone else do the driving, now, perfectly understandable.

 

[Makara]

I don't believe DH dumped it either.. geoprofilingly ( if that is the word) it makes more sense if that suitcase came out of Adelaide, on a time constraint leash. .. Adelaide to Wynarka and back.. No. I do not for one moment think that he could throw it away. And yes, Mak.. for something that had been so well hidden, for so long, somebody got a bee in their bonnet, and I have wondered if the trigger was related to the. . dang it, to the current situation DH finds himself in, as the reason for him being there as the fact itself . What I mean is, that the reason DH is currently is not available to chat to us all, was the trigger. Drugs, theft, murder, maybe these were forgivable but not this current thing of Daniels. Perhaps that just tipped the minder of the suitcase over the edge? everyone has a tipping point..

There is a terrific carelessness in the suitcase exposure that , while it has this element throughout the crime , it isn't as blatant as the tossed case at Wynarka.. Something of this has been done in disgust and fury and repudiation.

Yes, I understand what you're saying in regard to DH and I totally agree that it may have been the trigger to get rid of the suitcase. I also believe that whoever the custodian of the suitcase was, they didn't notify the police about the contents of the suitcase because it would have implicated them and also the fraud investigation would have kicked off a lot sooner than it did.

When I saw the eggthrowing wheelchair pusher, it crossed my mind immediately, he could be the suitcase tosser. Under Hazel's orders. 'get rid of it'. He doesn't know what's in it. He just hurls it from the car , turns around and comes back, or even, Hazel is driving, she looked like she would not be inclined to let anyone else do the driving, now, perfectly understandable.

Nup, sorry we can't go there. There's no indication at this stage that he's involved in the murders so he's off limits other than what has been reported in MSM or by the police.

 

[Makara]

I'm also wondering if DH was planning to visit the custodian of the suitcase prior to it being dumped. Perhaps he had plans to collect it and store it with Karlie's suitcases. The custodian decided to get rid of it out of spite before he had a chance to collect it. IMO.

 

[Trooper]

I'm also wondering if DH was planning to visit the custodian of the suitcase prior to it being dumped. Perhaps he had plans to collect it and store it with Karlie's suitcases. The custodian decided to get rid of it out of spite before he had a chance to collect it. IMO.

not improbable. Can you think of one reason, even an irrational one why he would keep Khandalyce's birth certificate thruout all that transient and peripatetic lifestyle? it just stumps me. Keep bits of clothing, little toys, etc, all mystery objects , but a birth certificate?? like a neon sign, saying look at me, look at me, guess where this kid is..

 

[Trooper]

I cant even firm up on why he killed Karlie, as yet. Ice rage not withstanding, ... I veer between wondering if it was to get free-er access to Khandalyce,... horrible, but not improbable, revenge, sexual stressors, jealousy? money.. .. . for killing women, he was rather late in the game for that kind of violence, in so far as he hasn't , according to MSN been in the clink for crimes of violence towards women..

Of course ,maybe he was so violent the women never could feel safe enough to complain. I don't know. By the time Khandalyce was murdered, he had known her for quite some lengthy period of time, relatively speaking. She wasn't a stranger, and she in her own little way would have known him. While their together time was short, she would probably have seen him as a sort of Dad, I guess.

well. John Sharpe. took his 3 yr old daughter, Grace, out to Bunnings to walk around with Daddy while he bought a spear gun among other things, then while she lay sleeping, he fired the spear gun into her head. Then he took her body and her mothers body , which he dug up from a shallow trench in the front yard and took them to the tip, he was a tidy sort of chap. And he did this stone cold sober, and completely free of all known chemical or vegetable substances.. . that's how it goes... really... Anyone can do Anything.

 

[Makara]

not improbable. Can you think of one reason, even an irrational one why he would keep Khandalyce's birth certificate thruout all that transient and peripatetic lifestyle? it just stumps me.

For identity purposes in amongst all of the fraud. Flashing the birth certificate when required was almost as good as presenting Khandalyce in person. Or it was simply part of Karlie's luggage. IMO Khandalyce's birth certificate wasn't hidden in some separate part of the sister's house. It was in one of the two suitcases belonging to Karlie. The way in which MSM reported the finding of the birth certificate could have been interpreted as it being stashed in a drawer, cupboard etc. IMO it was in one of the suitcases that were stored out of sight, out of mind at the sister's place.

 

[Maggie_May]

sale of a house maybe? or eviction/termination/cessation of a tenancy?

DH seemed to have a penchant for hiding Karlie's belongings in plain sight. The suitcases stored at his sister's place. Karlie's bank card in his wallet (and most probably Karlie's phone also hidden under his car seat IMO.).

IMO he did the same thing with the remains of Khandalyce and the suitcase she was found in. He hung onto everything for years but I don't think it was for sentimental reasons. It was a form of control. He had control over it all and always knew exactly where it was.

I don't believe that DH dumped the suitcase near Wynarka. That goes against his MO IMO. Whoever dumped that suitcase had possession of it for years and knew what it contained. Something has triggered the need to be rid of the suitcase in early to mid 2015 or even late 2014. What was going on with the custodian of the suitcase during that time period to finally want to get rid of it?

 

[visioneye]

What I mean is, that the reason DH is currently is not available to chat to us all, was the trigger. Drugs, theft, murder, maybe these were forgivable but not this current thing of Daniels. Perhaps that just tipped the minder of the suitcase over the edge? everyone has a tipping point..

There is a terrific carelessness in the suitcase exposure that , while it has this element throughout the crime , it isn't as blatant as the tossed case at Wynarka.. Something of this has been done in disgust and fury and repudiation.

IMO The person who's tipping point is this high would already be described as a psychopath....

 

[Makara]

IMO Karlie's birth certificate and other forms of identity were also in those suitcases. They would have been used many times, including at the bank and Centrelink visits in 2010. When the Centrelink payments finally ceased in 2011, Karlie's identity documents were packed away in the suitcases again. Once more out of sight, out of mind until they were taken to the sister's place.

 

[Trooper]

IMO Karlie's birth certificate and other forms of identity were also in those suitcases. They would have been used many times, including at the bank and Centrelink visits in 2010. When the Centrelink payments finally ceased in 2011, Karlie's identity documents were packed away in the suitcases again. Once more out of sight, out of mind until they were taken to the sister's place.

ahahaha.. nooooo.. . nooo.. The Karlie birth certificate is used in Adelaide, . probably all the other Karlie stuff, drivers license ( used with discrimination as it has a photo on it ) .. medicare, pension card, etc... I reckon the person who used this stuff , in Adelaide , burnt them once the scam lost its novelty and its income. I cant see that person, the female impersonator, (sorry Oona) keeping that stuff. And this person, who did the Karlie impersonation got this stuff from Daniel on his December 2008 tour , his little reward for all his hard work..

Unless she sent them back to DH in Canberra as Souvenirs?? .. hey, babe, here are some memories for ya.. probable?

 

[Trooper]

but wait.. the Karlie birth certificate is also used to get the ABN.... hmm.. and the ABN stuff is Daniels handiwork.. maybe there were 2 forms of birth certificate for Karlie as well as Khandalyce.. short and long. possible?

 

[Wolfinator]

Yes, I understand what you're saying in regard to DH and I totally agree that it may have been the trigger to get rid of the suitcase. I also believe that whoever the custodian of the suitcase was, they didn't notify the police about the contents of the suitcase because it would have implicated them and also the fraud investigation would have kicked off a lot sooner than it did.



Nup, sorry we can't go there. There's no indication at this stage that he's involved in the murders so he's off limits other than what has been reported in MSM or by the police.

If you think about DH situation since 2013 this "window" in time is the perfect time to dump it and in another State.

Matches the MO for trying to blame Karlie's body on the Milats. Looks for "clever" ways to distance himself from the bodies in the eyes of LE.


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[Panda]

ahahaha.. nooooo.. . nooo.. The Karlie birth certificate is used in Adelaide, . probably all the other Karlie stuff, drivers license ( used with discrimination as it has a photo on it ) .. medicare, pension card, etc... I reckon the person who used this stuff , in Adelaide , burnt them once the scam lost its novelty and its income. I cant see that person, the female impersonator, (sorry Oona) keeping that stuff. And this person, who did the Karlie impersonation got this stuff from Daniel on his December 2008 tour , his little reward for all his hard work..

Unless she sent them back to DH in Canberra as Souvenirs?? .. hey, babe, here are some memories for ya.. probable?

I had tossed up the idea that Holdom, after Hazel and him broke up (under extremely stressful terms I would imagine, after the accident), got involved in some capacity with Karlie, and this enraged Hazel (understandably). The next thought was Holdom was racked with indecision, guilt and whatever other demented thoughts that may have been going through his mind - flipped, killed Karlie and subsequently Khandalyce, and then Hazel and him got back together for a time (until the next disaster struck, whatever that may have been). I can picture Holdom "see how much I love you, look what I did for you ... " I think it doubtful that Hazel would have dobbed him in, and who knows, Hazel may have felt flattered to the maximum that he did indeed, prove his "love" for her. All just another scenario and random thoughts obviously.

 

[Trooper]

IMO The person who's tipping point is this high would already be described as a psychopath....

I got no argument with that!!

 

[sleepinoz]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3006995...legedly-found-at-home-of-mums-accused-killer/

Police allegedly received information that Holdom allegedly took two suitcases to his sister's house containing Karlie's possessions.

Someone allegedly told police Mr Holdom took two suitcases, believed to have contained some of Ms Pearce-Stevenson's possessions, after she died.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/girl-in-s...sed-killer-20151111-gkwnbn.html#ixzz3sxF4ZLP7

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How many suitcases were recovered by Police at his sisters home? 2 or only 1?

 

[Trooper]

If you think about DH situation since 2013 this "window" in time is the perfect time to dump it and in another State.

Matches the MO for trying to blame Karlie's body on the Milats. Looks for "clever" ways to distance himself from the bodies in the eyes of LE.


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maybe he was trying to associate Khandalyce with Truro... people do odd things...

 

[Trooper]

How many suitcases were recovered by Police at his sisters home? 2 or only 1?

2, sleep

 

[JaneSA]

Jane, this was discussed ad nauseam in previous threads. Do you feel that knowing the details of this car would help in the investigation?

Yes, I was sure it had discussed previously, but searching didn't find it, probably because I have no idea what make and model the car was.
The reason I wanted the details is because I found someone who has printed copies of the entrant's list from 2008 and who says that if he knows which make, model, year and colour it is, he may be able to tell me the name of the entrant, which may or may not be of interest.
But thanks anyway as I have received those details now.

 

[sleepinoz]

2, sleep

I think that depends on how you read the MSM articles and which one you read. Most say he took 2 suitcases to his sisters after Karlie died.

 

[Makara]

ahahaha.. nooooo.. . nooo.. The Karlie birth certificate is used in Adelaide, . probably all the other Karlie stuff, drivers license ( used with discrimination as it has a photo on it ) .. medicare, pension card, etc... I reckon the person who used this stuff , in Adelaide , burnt them once the scam lost its novelty and its income. I cant see that person, the female impersonator, (sorry Oona) keeping that stuff. And this person, who did the Karlie impersonation got this stuff from Daniel on his December 2008 tour , his little reward for all his hard work..

Unless she sent them back to DH in Canberra as Souvenirs?? .. hey, babe, here are some memories for ya.. probable?

but wait.. the Karlie birth certificate is also used to get the ABN.... hmm.. and the ABN stuff is Daniels handiwork.. maybe there were 2 forms of birth certificate for Karlie as well as Khandalyce.. short and long. possible?

IMO DH was in control of Karlie's documents at all times. He only loosened his grip on them when it suited him for the purpose of his female accomplice to represent herself as Karlie. When DH moved on, Karlie's stuff went with him.