AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #8

[JaneSA]

I have posted this paraphrased version of that article from The Australian here before, but if it helps anyone, here it is again...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...588543943?sv=60a01ec0a5519970fdc16ad104c2037c


PARAPHRASED


DH and unidentified woman questioned by police Narara NSW in January 2013
Had ice pipe, stanley knife and a bank card in the name of KPS in his possession.


Police were searching for stolen cars in the area at the time.


DH became very nervous and his hands were very shaky.
DH produced various pieces of identification showing different names before police searched the red Mazda 626 the couple were sitting in.


Police also located a keycard in the name of K. Pearce-Stevenson in DH's wallet. He said that she was an ex-girlfriend. The keycard had expired, the bank has since changed names and the owner resided in another state, and so police destroyed the card.
DH was not charged in relation to the card.

 

[sosocurious]

SA police have repeatedly question HP about her alleged use of KPS credit card.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...in-alice-springs/story-fni6uo1m-1227628835165


Key card - was expired when DH was pulled over at Narara, credit card - when did the credit card expire?
Or when was it obtained about the time the ABN was set up maybe?

 

[JaneSA]

Yes it is good to read that the police have confirmed that the alleged links to the drug trade are being investigated. Not they they are confirmed.

The article does not say that drug trade links were confirmed, only that police confirmed they were investigating the topic.

I am pleased they are.

 

[JaneSA]

SA police have repeatedly question HP about her alleged use of KPS credit card.


http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...in-alice-springs/story-fni6uo1m-1227628835165


Key card - was expired when DH was pulled over at Narara, credit card - when did the credit card expire?
Or when was it obtained about the time the ABN was set up maybe?

Yeah, weird isn't it?
Why did he still have an expired card in 2013?
Because it was in June 2010, that a woman in a wheelchair went to Australian Central Credit Union at Elizabeth to update banking records.


So when those details were updated, presumably so was the address, so how did DH end up with an expired card in Narara 3 years later?

 

[DutchTreat]

Is it relevant to this case?

IMO it is. If Khandalyce's body was kept somewhere without people being alarmed by the smell of decomposition, there must have been a reason for that.

If you can camouflage cannabis smell, it might also work for decomposition odour.

 

[DutchTreat]

Charcoal air filters apparently.

http://www.htgsupply.com/Category-Carbon-Filters-and-Odor-Control

So you take an empty barrel or large plastic container (with a lid on it), put in some clay pebbles in to absorb bodily fluids

Install a carbon filter in your shed and you get away with murder.

 

[DutchTreat]

The killer or someone close to him or her then covered the body in a pile of clothes — maybe in an empty room, a cupboard or a shed. Then they left it for years — long enough to be reduced to a skeleton.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...a/news-story/840510a05a67a2c19e8e4f9dc78f33ce

How about this:https://www.google.nl/search?q=grow...ved=0ahUKEwjv-9ii5rjJAhUEkA8KHdcUB7oQ_AUIBygC

for an empty room, a cupboard or a shed?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

So you take an empty barrel or large plastic container (with a lid on it), put in some clay pebbles in to absorb bodily fluids

Install a carbon filter in your shed and you get away with murder.

Definitely is clear: we (and police?) are looking for a piece of land with a shed ...

EDIT: Seen your next post: Yes, tent makes sense too!

 

[JaneSA]

The killer or someone close to him or her then covered the body in a pile of clothes — maybe in an empty room, a cupboard or a shed. Then they left it for years — long enough to be reduced to a skeleton.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...a/news-story/840510a05a67a2c19e8e4f9dc78f33ce

How about this:https://www.google.nl/search?q=grow...ved=0ahUKEwjv-9ii5rjJAhUEkA8KHdcUB7oQ_AUIBygC

for an empty room, a cupboard or a shed?

It's rather a gross subject, but the smell of decomposition is much less likely to raise an eyebrow in a farming area than in the suburbs.
People would assume it was wildlife or domestic animals.
Plus, of course, there would be fewer people around to even smell it anyway.

 

[DutchTreat]

It's rather a gross subject, but the smell of decomposition is much less likely to raise an eyebrow in a farming area than in the suburbs.
People would assume it was wildlife or domestic animals.
Plus, of course, there would be fewer people around to even smell it anyway.

That grow tent would make so much sense. It looks just like one of those spare wardrobes. Put some clothes on top of the dead body in case someone gets suspicious and zips it open. It would all fit remakably well in this case.

 

[JaneSA]

It would certainly make sure no suspicions were aroused.

 

[Bohemian]

I have just viewed the two part documentary series called "Hitting Home" about domestic violence in Australia http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/hitting-home-with-sarah-ferguson/DO1409H002S00.
The second part highlights the story of Kate Malonyay who was brutally murdered by her ex partner. Kate's killer also used her credit card and impersonated her through text messages to her friends and family to give the false impression that she was still alive http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-...by-her-ex-boyfriend-nsw-coroner-finds/5705448.
I am am mentioning this story to put forth the idea that Karlie may have been killed by Holdom as she was intending to leave him and he was very unhappy about the idea. The fraud that ensued would have been primarily to give the impression that nothing was amiss.
If Holdom was a controlling and violent person, is there any possibility that any female accomplices acted under some degree of duress? Not necessarily my opinion but just an idea I am floating.

I couldn't even watch the ads for the documentary series as they 'hit' a bit too close to 'home'. Maybe at a future date. I do remember the details of Kate Malonyay's case though.

Yes, I believe it's a possibility, Oona.

I have also been mulling this thought around in my mind. The 'belongings' of Karlie's and Khandalyce's may have been kept by alleged accessories to their murders, after the fact, as some type of insurance so they would not suffer the same fate; or to keep control of the alleged murderer in some way. The suitcases have largely been a stroke of good fortune for the people who I believe allegedly knew or suspected that Karlie and Khandalyce had been murdered other than the alleged murderer themself. Without their 'bounty', I am convinced we would be looking at more victims and we certainly wouldn't have been aware of the connection between Khandalyce and Karlie or even their identities.

I don't know why DJH allegedly murdered Karlie. There are a number of different theories put forth; fatal act of domestic violence, an 'ice-fuelled/trauma-induced' rage, his fear of losing control of her, an alleged 'drug bounty', to enable her funds to be an ongoing source of an easy income for him, even her refusal of demands for money by him to purchase drugs for his personal use, etc. All are equally valid at this stage; given the information we have been 'drip' or 'force' fed by MSM.

I honestly think the immediate alleged keycard fraud was just simple 'dumb' opportunism, ie; 'I have Karlie's card now; why not use it?' and I also believe that person knew without a doubt Karlie was dead. What bothers me is how the PIN for Karlie's bank account was obtained from her. Voluntarily, by deception or by force?

On the other hand, I honestly believe the later, more elaborate alleged identity theft and major fraud shows the additional handiwork of someone with a little more finesse than DJH possesses. To me he is the 'brawn'. The 'brains' think they know how to play the system and they also feel 'entitled':

'So what if we get caught? I won't go to jail. I'll through myself on the mercy of the court. They'll feel sorry for me because (insert 'victim statement' here). Screw DJH. It's all his fault anyway. He owes me.'

DJH et al may have gotten away with their cruel ruse if not for the 'dumb' or 'strategic' decision to 'hide' the Lanza suitcase containing a precious little girl's remains and the quilt a loving great grandmother made her before she died. If that's not 'karma' biting people hard on the a*** , I don't know what is.

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All my own opinion which subject to revision after consumption of morning cuppa.

 

[JaneSA]

The keeping of the suitcases fascinates me too.
I like your idea that they could be a form of insurance.

 

[Panda]

I have posted this paraphrased version of that article from The Australian here before, but if it helps anyone, here it is again...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...588543943?sv=60a01ec0a5519970fdc16ad104c2037c


PARAPHRASED


DH and unidentified woman questioned by police Narara NSW in January 2013
Had ice pipe, stanley knife and a bank card in the name of KPS in his possession.


Police were searching for stolen cars in the area at the time.


DH became very nervous and his hands were very shaky.
DH produced various pieces of identification showing different names before police searched the red Mazda 626 the couple were sitting in.


Police also located a keycard in the name of K. Pearce-Stevenson in DH's wallet. He said that she was an ex-girlfriend. The keycard had expired, the bank has since changed names and the owner resided in another state, and so police destroyed the card.
DH was not charged in relation to the card.

That's interesting "DH and unidentified woman questioned by police ..."

 

[Bohemian]

The keeping of the suitcases fascinates me too.
I like your idea that they could be a form of insurance.

Maybe not the suitcases in totality but items removed from them may have been used as 'insurance', eg; personal papers, etc. Anything that could connect the alleged murderer to the crime(s). I believe that those people either knew, or strongly suspected, DJH had allegedly committed murder.

I also believe Khandalyce's remains and possessions became more of a liability than an asset for someone, at some stage, hence they were carelessly discarded. Other less incriminating items may have been forgotten about.

I honestly think it was 'a comedy of errors' that led to the Lanza suitcase being discovered and that curious local domestic or native animals were responsible for its movement closer to the edge of the road.

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All my opinion.

 

[JaneSA]

That's interesting "DH and unidentified woman questioned by police ..."

Yes. And yet I feel sure she was named elsewhere, but of course, I can't find it now.

 

[they'll get you]

I had the impression from reading this thread, that the removing was more specific (we thought of Karlie's phone or drugs) - but no, it seems you are right.

http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...s/news-story/fcbc6a9297bdded86aefce9bbb0c30ec

Officer-in-charge of the inquiry, Detective Superintendent Des Bray, has raised the possibility that someone who came across the suitcase may have removed something from it.
“A lot of people have seen it and several people have gone up and looked in it. It is highly likely if there was anything of value there someone could have taken it. If that has happened I would appeal to those people to contact us,” the Adelaide Advertiser reported.

Thanks FG I remembered and was searching for this.

What was missing from that case that the police were expecting to be in there?

 

[Bohemian]

Yes. And yet I feel sure she was named elsewhere, but of course, I can't find it now.

I think it was his then 16 year old fiancé, TB. Look for the Daily Mail article about her.

 

[JaneSA]

I think it was his then 16 year old fiancé, TB. Look for the Daily Mail article about her.

Yes, that's what I recalled too, but I wasn't game to say so without the article to reference.

 

[Cloudy]

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