AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #9

[Puggle]

An article by the ABC ...their version of the crime stopper callers info:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-22/body-dumped-at-belanglo-to-throw-police-off-track/6875768

 

[Makara]

Fantastic work with all of the maps Plongi. Thank you, it's very much appreciated.

 

[Trooper]

it's interesting that similar routes are travelled both before and after the date that police suspect Karlie was murdered too

and if ,as it seems, that is Holdom doing the driving , which is reasonable to assume, he is also doing it faster than Karlie, he really was in a hurry. I worked it out via the transaction dates that he is shunting himself all the way to Alice from Broadview SA and spending the maximum of 7 hours there, before turning back.. ( that is the January 2009 transactions Bray put up as 'interesting'.)

He used Karlie's bankcard on this trip, because he was broke? to lay a false trail?? I cannot distinguish the motivation on this, it could just be plain theft, and nothing more, he does it because he can.

 

[Trooper]

terrific stuff with the maps, Plongi.. if only all the transactions were available. And ones from earlier in the year, too, .earlier in 2008 .. back in July,August. ... I refer to the time before and around that car show where here is Khandalyce, looking confident and well cared for, hair beautifully groomed, going about her business at the show. A kid at ease with herself and her environment. Well. that's enough of that.

That part of the trial will be most interesting , I reckon. Because I am sure the police will have maps very much like your excellent work , where the pattern, the behaviour , the destinations will be made clear.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Apropos Kent Town:

https://www.google.de/maps/dir/Kent...33654628ebb20!2m2!1d138.6279018!2d-34.9272899

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:thinking:

 

[katydid23]

plongi,

Everyone is praising your maps. Forget the maps, I want to know what your feeding your dog to make him so relaxed? lol

 

[plongi]

the green trail from Mt Gambia to Canberra is just the direction. I will fix tomorrow as it should go back to south Adelaide and then a cross to Canberra. The 5 has gone adrift to. But you just do not know. exactly. Without a license or drugs on board etc could be travelling the back roads.

 

[plongi]

Jak is a pound dog. He was already old when we got him and pretty relaxed. He had great owners but they became ill and couldn't care for him properly.
I think he calls this the "Dead Cockroach Pose"
He is a master of Canine Yoga .. as he can maintain this pose for hours.

plongi,

Everyone is praising your maps. Forget the maps, I want to know what your feeding your dog to make him so relaxed? lol

 

[Oona]

Something just occurred to me regarding the "updating of details" at Australian Central Credit Union when it merged and changed names in 2010.
The probable only way the person/s accessing Karlie's account could have known to do that is if they were receiving Karlie's mail.
I remember this is how I was notified. I was sent a letter asking me to come in to a branch with ID and receive/apply for a new keycard.
To me this suggests that Karlie's mail was being sent to an address of one of the fraudsters or they were somehow collecting her mail from elsewhere.

This quote from the Advertiser suggests that Karlie's grandma was receiving her mail in 2008 from (Centrelink at least) but I am not sure how accurate it is:
"It was when Mrs Duffy opened her granddaughter&#8217;s mail and noticed her Centrelink payments had not been touched for a fortnight that she and friends first suspected something was wrong and began looking for Ms Pearce-Stevenson in late 2008."
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...vestigators-told/story-fni6uo1m-1227599497241

 

[Trooper]

Something just occurred to me regarding the "updating of details" at Australian Central Credit Union when it merged and changed names in 2010.
The probable only way the person/s accessing Karlie's account could have known to do that is if they were receiving Karlie's mail.
I remember this is how I was notified. I was sent a letter asking me to come in to a branch with ID and receive/apply for a new keycard.
To me this suggests that Karlie's mail was being sent to an address of one of the fraudsters or they were somehow collecting her mail from elsewhere.

This quote from the Advertiser suggests that Karlie's grandma was receiving her mail in 2008 from (Centrelink at least) but I am not sure how accurate it is:
"It was when Mrs Duffy opened her granddaughter&#8217;s mail and noticed her Centrelink payments had not been touched for a fortnight that she and friends first suspected something was wrong and began looking for Ms Pearce-Stevenson in late 2008."
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...vestigators-told/story-fni6uo1m-1227599497241

Odd, isn't it. There appears to be a break in Karlie's usage of her keycard , from Mt Gambier, to Charnwood. Then, her death. 14/15 Dec. and from then, and this is the middle of December, her card gets a thorough thrashing.. Charnwood, Deakin, Broadview, Coober Pedy, Alice Springs , Broadview... ..

It would be helpful to know from which branch of the bank that letter went to Connie. . It is tempting to think that Karlie didn't change her bank address in Canberra, to Canberra... she wasn't there long..

And Holdom knows that matter has to be attended to, as well. Addresses have to be changed, notifications have to go to the right address. It is awfully easy to change one's address by phone, but. it would be suspicious if a bloke rang about Karlie's change of address.. .

 

[Puggle]

Something just occurred to me regarding the "updating of details" at Australian Central Credit Union when it merged and changed names in 2010.
The probable only way the person/s accessing Karlie's account could have known to do that is if they were receiving Karlie's mail.
I remember this is how I was notified. I was sent a letter asking me to come in to a branch with ID and receive/apply for a new keycard.
To me this suggests that Karlie's mail was being sent to an address of one of the fraudsters or they were somehow collecting her mail from elsewhere.

This quote from the Advertiser suggests that Karlie's grandma was receiving her mail in 2008 from (Centrelink at least) but I am not sure how accurate it is:
"It was when Mrs Duffy opened her granddaughter&#8217;s mail and noticed her Centrelink payments had not been touched for a fortnight that she and friends first suspected something was wrong and began looking for Ms Pearce-Stevenson in late 2008."
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...vestigators-told/story-fni6uo1m-1227599497241

Great Post.

Although some may decide to oppose any thought or opinion that this case is more complex than it appears ..... you raise a very good point that could be taken on board that suggests anything other than a straight forward scenario.

 

[Oona]

Odd, isn't it. There appears to be a break in Karlie's usage of her keycard , from Mt Gambier, to Charnwood. Then, her death. 14/15 Dec. and from then, and this is the middle of December, her card gets a thorough thrashing.. Charnwood, Deakin, Broadview, Coober Pedy, Alice Springs , Broadview... ..

It would be helpful to know from which branch of the bank that letter went to Connie. . It is tempting to think that Karlie didn't change her bank address in Canberra, to Canberra... she wasn't there long..

And Holdom knows that matter has to be attended to, as well. Addresses have to be changed, notifications have to go to the right address. It is awfully easy to change one's address by phone, but. it would be suspicious if a bloke rang about Karlie's change of address.. .

At first I wondered if, during the calls impersonating Karlie, the fraudsters also asked "Would you mind forwarding me my mail from grandma's?" But then they would have to give their address to Karlie's family which doesn't seem likely.

 

[Trooper]

At first I wondered if, during the calls impersonating Karlie, the fraudsters also asked "Would you mind forwarding me my mail from grandma's?" But then they would have to give their address to Karlie's family which doesn't seem likely.

it seems reasonable to suppose that , having changed Karlie's address to where they ( the shysters) have access to, and they must have done this, else how could they know they have to turn up at Centrelink and the bank? has to be by mail. So. it is rational that that address of Karlie's was changed to an address in Adelaide..
It would be hard to believe that the female impersonator, for example, just woke up one day and thought.. oh. I must check about this card, with the bank.. I just don't think so.


DS Bray has only mentioned calls to the family , and Colleen, from 2010.. .. he didn't mention any calls made before that, but that doesn't rule out text messages, etc.. .. they had her phone.

 

[Trooper]

I think they already changed Karlie's address. with Centrelink, and with the bank, which is why they knew to head on in, all nerveless and well rehearsed with all the pertinent papers that have been carefully gathered up after the murder in Canberra, and then taken to South Australia,( because it makes sense that Karlie carried her papers with her to Canberra..) perhaps months, or a year before expecting some kind of summons like this..

just rock on up , smile and don't get too heavily involved in conversation re the wheelchair, hand over the paperwork, get the stuff done and then roll on out. Simples.

 

[Bundy]

Perhaps Karlie's gran left a message on her phone to let her know she needed to update her bank details.
And on the subject of Karlie's phone... when I had a prepaid account I added credit online via PayPal, my current account is just debited from my credit card... are there other ways to add phone credit?

Something just occurred to me regarding the "updating of details" at Australian Central Credit Union when it merged and changed names in 2010.
The probable only way the person/s accessing Karlie's account could have known to do that is if they were receiving Karlie's mail.
I remember this is how I was notified. I was sent a letter asking me to come in to a branch with ID and receive/apply for a new keycard.
To me this suggests that Karlie's mail was being sent to an address of one of the fraudsters or they were somehow collecting her mail from elsewhere.

This quote from the Advertiser suggests that Karlie's grandma was receiving her mail in 2008 from (Centrelink at least) but I am not sure how accurate it is:
"It was when Mrs Duffy opened her granddaughter&#8217;s mail and noticed her Centrelink payments had not been touched for a fortnight that she and friends first suspected something was wrong and began looking for Ms Pearce-Stevenson in late 2008."
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...vestigators-told/story-fni6uo1m-1227599497241

 

[Trooper]

at some stage , the paperwork of Karlie, and Khandalyce has been separated out. Karlie's stuff is in Adelaide.. I make this claim because a lot of stuff went on that required her Identification paperwork.. Bank,Centrelink, Motor Vehicle Registration , stuff like that. And that seemed to take place in Adelaide.


And Khandalyce 's birth certificate is found in Canberra. ( I am just assuming his sister lives in the ACT , she may live in NSW just outside the border ) .. either way... .

This separating out of Karlie and Khandalyce stuff must have been done shortly after the murder. . ..

Perhaps Karlie's ID papers went to Adelaide straight after her murder, that Xmas , to Broadview.SA..

 

[KG1]

Something just occurred to me regarding the "updating of details" at Australian Central Credit Union when it merged and changed names in 2010.
The probable only way the person/s accessing Karlie's account could have known to do that is if they were receiving Karlie's mail.
I remember this is how I was notified. I was sent a letter asking me to come in to a branch with ID and receive/apply for a new keycard.
To me this suggests that Karlie's mail was being sent to an address of one of the fraudsters or they were somehow collecting her mail from elsewhere.

This quote from the Advertiser suggests that Karlie's grandma was receiving her mail in 2008 from (Centrelink at least) but I am not sure how accurate it is:
"It was when Mrs Duffy opened her granddaughter&#8217;s mail and noticed her Centrelink payments had not been touched for a fortnight that she and friends first suspected something was wrong and began looking for Ms Pearce-Stevenson in late 2008."
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...vestigators-told/story-fni6uo1m-1227599497241

The fraudster/s could have done an Aust Post redirection order, again posing as Karlie, with the usual documentary proof. Easily achieved and can be done at any Post Office in Australia.

 

[Trooper]

The fraudster/s could have done an Aust Post redirection order, again posing as Karlie, with the usual documentary proof. Easily achieved and can be done at any Post Office in Australia.

And used her Pension card, the Single Parent one and got 6 months free redirection. Because, of course, they would have that card.. Every penny counted with these killers and scammers.

 

[KG1]

And used her Pension card, the Single Parent one and got 6 months free redirection. Because, of course, they would have that card.. Every penny counted with these killers and scammers.

Yes, Troop, I hadn't thought of the pension card. That could have been used for other things too I guess.

 

[BlueBayou]

And on the subject of Karlie's phone... when I had a prepaid account I added credit online via PayPal, my current account is just debited from my credit card... are there other ways to add phone credit?

Another way to to a recharge voucher in supermarkets, 7-Eleven or service stations. You can then recharge either online or over the phone.