Found Deceased AUS - Tayla Spies,29, white 2017 dual cab Toyota Hilux I’d also missing. Left a hotel in Daley & travelled west to Surat, Queensland, 2 Feb 25

[1ivimay]

Because dalby has aldi and coles and roma does not.

Plus by her times caught on camera, she only "visited people" for 15 minutes...

If she shopped in Dalby, it must’ve been prior to the Sunday as the footage of her outside the hotel is at 8am, before both Coles and Aldi open. The footage also doesn’t show her putting anything else in the car; although, obviously this could’ve been cut out or they could’ve been things that would easily last the night in the car. If that was cut out of the footage it does lead one to wonder why.

I was also thinking about the bag she carried to her car. It’s been said it was stuff from her business she’d had in storage. One would assume the hotel was not her storage place. So why wasn’t it already in the car? I suppose someone could’ve dropped it off to her or maybe it was in the boyfriend’s car.

 

[mishy66]

If she shopped in Dalby, it must’ve been prior to the Sunday as the footage of her outside the hotel is at 8am, before both Coles and Aldi open. The footage also doesn’t show her putting anything else in the car; although, obviously this could’ve been cut out or they could’ve been things that would easily last the night in the car. If that was cut out of the footage it does lead one to wonder why.

I was also thinking about the bag she carried to her car. It’s been said it was stuff from her business she’d had in storage. One would assume the hotel was not her storage place. So why wasn’t it already in the car? I suppose someone could’ve dropped it off to her or maybe it was in the boyfriend’s car.

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/major-development-in-search-for-missing-mumofthree-tayla-spies/news-story/31c4c6142bdb4a9e63552341c4b5e415

"Her car was found 'not in good condition'
on a remote property"


The food suggestions came about by theorising what the interior would be like, after the police press announcement.

She travelled to Dalby on the Thursday and no one knows what she may have done as far as food goes over the 4 days until she went missing.

There is evidence she purchased a drink at the servo. Who knows if she had food / snacks in the car over that 4 day period.

I dont think the food debate is relevant in this case but that's just my opinion. An autopsy will determine the time of death, not the food or drink she may have had in the car.

You mention the bag carried stuff from her business. Could be I guess, given her business has been stagnant for 2 yrs or so.
I only saw that her sister said she had stuff in storage in Dalby, after someone asked what could be in the bag. A few posts back show the discussion.

Interesting that her sister suggests that given she wasnt with her. Tayla could have told her as such I guess? Or TN could have told the sister? Who knows.

it's a super heavy bag. She's moving it from the motel to her car early in the morning. So where's TN if he is with her? Why isn't he helping her move that heavy bag?

Actually, he hasn't been shown in any video at all, although he seems to be in the same places she was.

Interesting case this one. So many anomalies.

 

[Rocket333]

If you read my earlier posts, I have drawn many maps and included photos. I not sure how to repost, so just go back to like pages 3-8 or so.

No need to repost the maps. I was just after a quick yes or no. I’ve since worked out that the Yuleba-Surat Road and the Condamine Hwy are different roads but they intersect at one point close to the property.

I was thinking that Tayla or her ute would have had to turn around and head south after catching up with TN, but she or her ute could have continued on and taken the Condi Hwy turnoff to head towards the property (if that’s what happened).

 

[Rocket333]

I dont think the food debate is relevant in this case but that's just my opinion. An autopsy will determine the time of death, not the food or drink she may have had in the car.

The food discussion is very relevant to this case and speaks to the mentioned condition of the interior of her car, as well as the car location mystery. The interior can provide a lot of insight into how the ute has been kept over the past few months and if the interior has been disrupted by others. It also helps to understand Tayla’s activity prior. Everything is useful to forensics when piecing the story together.

 

[mishy66]

Ive had another look at that CCTV leaving Surat.
And enhanced the photo as best I could for a closer look.

In my eyes she was definitely driving her car in the Surat CCTV footage. I had thought maybe someone else was driving her car with her in passenger seat.

After turning onto the Carnarvon HWay, making various turns to get herself back to where her car was found, she has changed her shirt.

WHY?
WHEN?
HOW?


12.13 pm HER MOBILE PHONE LAST PINGED GOING TOWARD ROMA – POLICE SAY THIS IS INCONSISTENT TO HER TRAVELING IN THE DIRECTION THE CAR TOOK LEAVING SURAT.

TELECOMMUNICATIONS DATA PUTS HER NORTH TOWARD ROMA , THIS IS ONE HOUR AFTER HER VEHICLE WAS SEEN IN SURAT AT 11.10 AM

She changed her shirt.
WHY???
AND WHO SENT THE PHOTO OF SUCH TO HER SISTER? Her sister said she had a white shirt on in the afternoon of Sunday. So say 12.13 pm for example......

Did Tayla send a photo of herself in her white shirt and if so, WHY would she do this given she's driving toward Roma. Did she take a photo of herself whilst driving her car????

What happened on that road heading toward Roma.

How did the car end up on a property in Noorindoo and her pink shirt is inside the car when found.

Seems very odd to me.

 

[Rocket333]

Some are suggesting she may have taken her life by driving onto someones property, parking her car into an open field, walking 1 km away from her car ( why not do it in the car ?) and all this effort after buying a drink at a servo, calling into someones house to meet "friends" with TN, changing into a crisp white shirt, to take her own life?

People can do really ordinary things prior to taking decisive action. There’s a lot of research available on the different gendered approaches to self harm. Men are more likely to use violent methods, choose outdoor locations, and not give much thought to how they’ll appear or who will find them. Women are more likely to use less aggressive methods, and to give consideration to their appearance, the location and other details.

Given this and all else we’ve been told, I’m doubting more and more that this incident was self inflicted and I suspect we may be advised soon enough that it’s a criminal investigation.

But first we wait for the revelations from the autopsy.

Gender differentiation in methods of suicide attempts - PMC

Suicide is an important public health problem worldwide, especially due to an increasing rate of suicides committed by violent methods. This study compared and assessed the methods used in suicide attempts (but no completed suicides) as undertaken ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[mishy66]

The food discussion is very relevant to this case and speaks to the mentioned condition of the interior of her car, as well as the car location mystery. The interior can provide a lot of insight into how the ute has been kept over the past few months and if the interior has been disrupted by others. It also helps to understand Tayla’s activity prior. Everything is useful to forensics when piecing the story together.

Yes, sorry I obviously didn't make my comment clear.

Food "debate" , was what I commented on. The types of various foods/ supermarket openings/ etc that was being discussed.

"I dont think the food debate is relevant in this case but that's just my opinion. An autopsy will determine the time of death, not the food or drink she may have had in the car."

I dont think I said anything about the interior not being insightful

 

[mishy66]

People can do really ordinary things prior to taking decisive action. There’s a lot of research available on the different gendered approaches to self harm. Men are more likely to use violent methods, choose outdoor locations, and not give much thought to how they’ll appear or who will find them. Women are more likely to use less aggressive methods, and to give consideration to their appearance, the location and other details.

Given this and all else we’ve been told, I’m doubting more and more that this incident was self inflicted and I suspect we may be advised soon enough that it’s a criminal investigation.

But first we wait for the revelations from the autopsy.

Gender differentiation in methods of suicide attempts - PMC

Suicide is an important public health problem worldwide, especially due to an increasing rate of suicides committed by violent methods. This study compared and assessed the methods used in suicide attempts (but no completed suicides) as undertaken ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I know all about suicide gender differences, but thanks !


IMO this was no suicide

 

[Rocket333]

Yes, sorry I obviously didn't make my comment clear.

Food "debate" , was what I commented on. The types of various foods/ supermarket openings/ etc that was being discussed.

"I dont think the food debate is relevant in this case but that's just my opinion. An autopsy will determine the time of death, not the food or drink she may have had in the car."

I dont think I said anything about the interior not being insightful

A food debate or a food discussion? What Tayla did in Dalby (or along the way to Surat) is relevant. What she bought is relevant. Whether she purchased perishables or non perishables or just a stack of driving snacks is relevant. That the condition of the interior was mentioned, as well as the condition being consistent with the environment, implies that the interior may be smelly or have rotten, liquified, bacteria and insect ridden food etc. All of that is very relevant, as is her activities on the day and in the days prior. If she visited Aldi or wherever in Dalby, that’s helps tracking and possibly more cctv. It’s all relevant.

 

[chief quimby]

Ive had another look at that CCTV leaving Surat.
And enhanced the photo as best I could for a closer look.

In my eyes she was definitely driving her car in the Surat CCTV footage. I had thought maybe someone else was driving her car with her in passenger seat.

After turning onto the Carnarvon HWay, making various turns to get herself back to where her car was found, she has changed her shirt.

WHY?
WHEN?
HOW?


12.13 pm HER MOBILE PHONE LAST PINGED GOING TOWARD ROMA – POLICE SAY THIS IS INCONSISTENT TO HER TRAVELING IN THE DIRECTION THE CAR TOOK LEAVING SURAT.

TELECOMMUNICATIONS DATA PUTS HER NORTH TOWARD ROMA , THIS IS ONE HOUR AFTER HER VEHICLE WAS SEEN IN SURAT AT 11.10 AM

She changed her shirt.
WHY???
AND WHO SENT THE PHOTO OF SUCH TO HER SISTER? Her sister said she had a white shirt on in the afternoon of Sunday. So say 12.13 pm for example......

Did Tayla send a photo of herself in her white shirt and if so, WHY would she do this given she's driving toward Roma. Did she take a photo of herself whilst driving her car????

What happened on that road heading toward Roma.

How did the car end up on a property in Noorindoo and her pink shirt is inside the car when found.

Seems very odd to me.

Maybe she did the block and, as someone suggested earlier, simply did the block and stopped at the public facilities to change her shirt since she was in town... perhaps she had plans to meet up with someone else, the reason for the shirt change... maybe she knew this person and perhaps wanted to look different for them?? The super hush hush photo, I believe is incriminating or not suited for public viewing or even discussion by police, or even family, for some reason.

The secrecy and vagueness of this case is really strange, and so many people are realising and making comments on social media how odd it is, so it's not just us on this thread questioning it's strangeness...

 

[Rocket333]

I know all about suicide gender differences, but thanks !


IMO this was no suicide

You mentioned being confused about the alleged change into a white shirt, hence my post.

 

[mishy66]

A food debate or a food discussion? What Tayla did in Dalby (or along the way to Surat) is relevant. What she bought is relevant. Whether she purchased perishables or non perishables or just a stack of driving snacks is relevant. That the condition of the interior was mentioned, as well as the condition being consistent with the environment, implies that the interior may be smelly or have rotten, liquified, bacteria and insect ridden food etc. All of that is very relevant, as is her activities on the day and in the days prior. If she visited Aldi or wherever in Dalby, that’s helps tracking and possibly more cctv. It’s all relevant.

Yeah, I think you've read too much into my comment. All good

 

[mishy66]

Maybe she did the block and, as someone suggested earlier, simply did the block and stopped at the public facilities to change her shirt since she was in town... perhaps she had plans to meet up with someone else, the reason for the shirt change... maybe she knew this person and perhaps wanted to look different for them?? The super hush hush photo, I believe is incriminating or not suited for public viewing or even discussion by police, or even family, for some reason.

The secrecy and vagueness of this case is really strange, and so many people are realising and making comments on social media how odd it is, so it's not just us on this thread questioning it's strangeness...

Oh yes , a shirt change in a public toilet. Now that would explain how she got changed for sure.

Yes, maybe she was wanting to look cleaner? Or something had happened to her pink shirt?

So many things don't add up but hopefully soon things will be much clearer on what happened to Tayla that day.

 

[mishy66]

You mentioned being confused about the alleged change into a white shirt, hence my post.

I don't believe she committed suicide which is why I Q the white shirt she changed into.

That's just my opinion though.

I know about suicide gender differences. It doesn't change my view on this case.

You may believe she did, that's ok too.

That's not my view.

 

[Rocket333]

Oh yes , a shirt change in a public toilet. Now that would explain how she got changed for sure.

Yes, maybe she was wanting to look cleaner? Or something had happened to her pink shirt?

So many things don't add up but hopefully soon things will be much clearer on what happened to Tayla that day.

When leaving Surat Tayla may have driven to to the toilet block at the Recreation Grounds on Ivan Street. She may have changed her shirt there before driving towards Roma.
If she was wearing a white shirt when the bf last saw her, and when north of Surat, she’s changed shirts somewhere. Women would opt for the closest public bathroom or toilet block. Maybe this was why she turned left out of Surat.

Having said that, she could’ve also just changed at the servo in Condamine but she didn’t.

IIRC also, Tayla’s sister said the big bag was just full of clothes.

Tayla wasn’t in Surat for long and she headed north right after, so she probably went around the block. The timeframe for the whole morning is quite tight.

Did she change in Surat at the public toilets at the park? Did she run some other errand (get some cash etc) there too that was relevant to the catch up straight afterwards?

Either way it appears that she was wearing the pink shirt in Surat and the white shirt within the hour afterwards.

 

[Rocket333]

I don't believe she committed suicide which is why I Q the white shirt she changed into.

That's just my opinion though.

I know about suicide gender differences. It doesn't change my view on this case.

You may believe she did, that's ok too.

That's not my view.

Of course it’s ok what we each propose or believe here. None of us know very much and nothing for sure, so it’s a level playing field for discussion. Everyone’s input is equally valid, useful and welcome. Anything is possible and perspective keeps us open to alternatives.
Today I think it’s a criminal matter, but I don’t know for sure. The autopsy results will be good to know.

 

[Centaurus]

Looking back at the photo of Tayla with her pink shirt on, it looks like it's a button-up shirt with a white shirt underneath. Maybe instead of "changing her shirt," she just removed the pink outer layer. I do that all the time. I dress in layers - I'll wear a tank top with a light flannel/oxford-type shirt over it.

 

[Mandala]

Good observation about the shirt. The pink one might have got dirty (e.g. she spilt something on it) or she got sweaty and wanted to take it off.
IMO she picked up drugs, took some and OD’d.

 

[Anonamouse]

Looking back at the photo of Tayla with her pink shirt on, it looks like it's a button-up shirt with a white shirt underneath. Maybe instead of "changing her shirt," she just removed the pink outer layer. I do that all the time. I dress in layers - I'll wear a tank top with a light flannel/oxford-type shirt over it.

That’s exactly my thoughts .

She had the white shirt under the pink shirt . It got hot and she took off the pink shirt. That to me seems the most logical .

I don’t believe she’s taken her own life either .

 

[Cleety_]

okay I have a theory -

Starting from the start, I believe that Taylah was in Dalby to pick up a package of either drugs or money. The huge bag she was carrying, I believe contains either of these things.
If that is in fact the case, that is a lot of money or drugs which means she’s associating with some powerful people.

The car was apparently a business vehicle, which I have heard was possibly given to Taylah in Dalby after she was there for work. I haven’t actually heard any facts on a job she has apart from a business that has not been active on socials for over 2 years.
I believe the “work” she was there for , was to collect a package. Possibly the car too & another possibility is that the car was supposed to be left with whoever she was dropping the package to. TN arrives in a different car which makes sense if he was in fact supposed to pick her up once the car was given to the people collecting, with whatever it was inside.
The theory her car contained drugs is backed up to me by the fact that she locks her doors at the petrol station in Condamine.
Anyone who lives in a small town, knows that it is rare to lock your car at a servo.

Okay next part of my theory.
She was never going to surat. Or possibly was but I strongly believe that the stop in Condamine was not just for petrol.
She had a reason other than petrol to go to Condamine. I think this is where she was supposed to drop the package, or pick someone up.
This is backed up if you look at a map.
There is absolutely no reason to go through Condamine to get to either surat or to Roma.
There is petrol stations both on the Warrego highway and also Surat development road.
Both of which are closer and not out of her way.
Seems strange she would go to Condamine for any reason, except for if she was doing something there.
I believe she either dropped something there & something has gone wrong & possibly even been murdered in Condamine and then her car driven to Surat with her inside, dumping her body near the entrance of Noorindoo road on their way to Surat as they freaked out.
That’s when I believe the car was seen on CCTV in Surat, with someone else driving.

After afew weeks clarity I think they have decided to take the car back, put her body inside and driven further up the road into a property where they think police will believe it’s either suicide or has something to do with the land owner.

I don’t have a theory if the boyfriend was involved but I believe he definitely knows what happened but has stayed silent in fear for his own life.