Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #7 *Arrest*

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Former country-Victoria kid here. We foraged for "mushies" every season. We knew to avoid the ones that had the wrong coloured gills, but I know now that isn't actually a foolproof way to decide what's edible and what's not. I don't think we were in the minority either - I know I foraged with my friend from the neighbouring property too, when we were out riding our ponies together.
Apparently there are several types of mushrooms which resemble death cap mushrooms but are perfectly safe to eat. Anybody, except for very experienced foragers, can make a mistake. I'll never understand why Erin Patterson told the police she bought the mushrooms for her Beef Wellington instead of saying she foraged for wild mushrooms and made a mistake. The second explanation is plausible; the first one isn't.
 
  • #202
It would never even occur to me to taste a meal while cooking it; I don't think my parents ever did when I was growing up so I never started, I wasn't actually aware non-chef people did.

I can't even see what I'd gain from it; maybe if I was an expert taster and cook I might be able to figure out if it needed more salt, herbs, whatever, but I'm not and I'd have no idea what to add/change even if I did taste a difference. Maybe a personal inability, it strikes me rather like singing - I know I'm out of tune but I don't know what direction to go to make it right; flavour is the same, I know when a meal didn't taste as good as normal, but can't tell what the difference was to change it.

Was EP a trained chef? I don't recall that being mentioned, but it's been a while since I read the early articles. I wouldn't automatically assume a non-chef to be in the habit of tasting, given just the examples in this thread (and those I've seen in my own family) of people who don't.
I didn't know you were supposed to taste a dish you were cooking until I started watching cooking shows like Masterchef. However, like you, I wouldn't be able to taste whether a dish needed more salt or more spices or whatever, so I don't. Did Erin regularly taste dishes as she was cooking? If she did, then the fact that she didn't this one time is highly suspicious.
 
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Apparently there are several types of mushrooms which resemble death cap mushrooms but are perfectly safe to eat. Anybody, except for very experienced foragers, can make a mistake. I'll never understand why Erin Patterson told the police she bought the mushrooms for her Beef Wellington instead of saying she foraged for wild mushrooms and made a mistake. The second explanation is plausible; the first one isn't.

What if she genuinely did forage the mushrooms and make a mistake?

And then realised when people got very sick that she'd accidentally poisoned them and set about covering up her mistake?

Some people just can't admit when they've made an error and double down.

Maybe she did truly get a bit / lot poorly and maybe her kids never ate the food at all.

It seems so bizarre she would plan this and think she'd get away with it.

JMO MOO
 
  • #204
I've always thought that the mushrooms were foraged, and a dreadful mistake was made.
I think she didn't set out to hurt or kill anyone.
 
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What if she genuinely did forage the mushrooms and make a mistake?

And then realised when people got very sick that she'd accidentally poisoned them and set about covering up her mistake?

Some people just can't admit when they've made an error and double down.

Maybe she did truly get a bit / lot poorly and maybe her kids never ate the food at all.

It seems so bizarre she would plan this and think she'd get away with it.

JMO MOO
The previous illnesses of her husband don’t match the story. Does she forage everything for food? Lampshades, too? If you remember, he was supposed to attend the dinner and avoided the last moment.
 
  • #206
I've always thought that the mushrooms were foraged, and a dreadful mistake was made.
I think she didn't set out to hurt or kill anyone.
We may yet see Erin change her story to foraging the deadly mushrooms by mistake since we’re not privy to her current defense. Her husband’s previous illnesses may contradict an accident depending on the forensic evidence gathered thus far.

I’m not ready to conclude an innocent poisoning as there’s still an awful lot of suspicious behavior on her part.

Does anyone know the next hearing or trial date? TIA!

ETA: April 2025 maybe??
 
  • #207
Hopefully the whole truth will come out, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
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Erin Patterson’s trial date is 28th April, 2025, in the Supreme Court in Morwell, Victoria. Her alleged crimes occurred in Leongatha, approximately 60kms from Morwell.

Erin Patterson to face trial nearly two years after allegedly murdering relatives with mushroom lunch​


“Patterson, 49, is charged with three counts of murder and five counts of attempted murder after hosting an allegedly fatal lunch at her house in regional Victoria.

Her trial is expect to start on 28 April 2025 in the supreme court, sitting in Morwell.”


 
  • #209
From September last year….

Country town at the heart of infamous Aussie murder mysteries is braced for an invasion by the world's media - as it prepares to host the blockbuster mushroom poisoning trial​


Almost all available accommodation within 13km of Morwell - as far away as Traralgon - has now been snapped up by media organisations flocking to the trial.

The trial could run for up to six weeks, with crowds of photographers and camera crews expected alongside a horde of court and crime reporters in Morwell.

True crime podcasters and documentary crews will also converge on the town, which is located among lush green fields and has a population of under 15,000. “


 
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Apparently there are several types of mushrooms which resemble death cap mushrooms but are perfectly safe to eat. Anybody, except for very experienced foragers, can make a mistake. I'll never understand why Erin Patterson told the police she bought the mushrooms for her Beef Wellington instead of saying she foraged for wild mushrooms and made a mistake. The second explanation is plausible; the first one isn't.

Yes a chef, a restaurant worker and a guest died in Canberra in 2012 after the chef used foraged mushrooms (which turned out to be death caps) to prepare a private dinner at his restaurant. In 2021 at least 3 people were hospitalised after mistaking death caps for mushrooms and consuming them. Would definately be a more likely scenario.
 
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Other thing I find interesting is that the alleged killer was understood to be quite academically, if not socially, intelligent. I’m confused by the clumsy cover-up of trying to dispose of a dehydrator afterwards in a way that would almost certainly be found out.
Do you think the alleged perpetrator is being undone by arrogance (ie they think they’re smarter than everyone else and won’t get caught) or do you think they are so singularly focused on the immediate act and outcome that they don’t consider the inevitable consequences and prepare for those? I find that so bizarre and can’t wrap my head around it.
I find the disposal strange, very clumsy indeed. The mushrooms could have been dried weeks earlier and dehydrator disposed in another town or Melbourne suburb, never to be found. She could have purchased a new one and dried a known safe variety, when forensically tested, no evidence. Local tips in small towns are vastly different.
 
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Reportedly abrasive by nature:

“She’s very bright and much brighter than people might think. She managed to get guys wrapped around her little finger although she was very unkempt … and she was abrasive.”

Her former colleague recalled an incident where she yelled at the head of the air traffic control department for tripping on her headset cord.

“I remember in the first week that she started in the job somebody walked behind her and tripped on a cord that was on the floor that was attached to her headset. She turned around and yelled ‘you right you buffoon?!’ It was the head of the air traffic control department. She didn’t hold back.”


I’ve read that but it lacks context. Seems an odd outburst in her first week but maybe she was joking, sarcastic, it might have been that kind of workplace back then. I think it was 20+ years ago.
 
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The previous illnesses of her husband don’t match the story. Does she forage everything for food? Lampshades, too? If you remember, he was supposed to attend the dinner and avoided the last moment.
Foraging would be addictive if you lived in an area of abundance. Good for her. I too foraged mushrooms growing up. I didn’t eat mushrooms but loved the process, such an adventure.

Perhaps something came up or maybe he couldn’t face her, I don’t think his no-show was necessarily related to anything of interest, just separated individuals worn down by the situation (and possibly meddling family). If he was worried he would have attended, told them not to eat or pre-warned them.

He might have been suspicious with his poisoning’s but maybe didn’t report. Perhaps there was a trigger when his family were at the hospital and he realised a commonality which then prompted him to make a report which kicked off the initial investigation. It’s possible his pathology results were reassessed and compared to the victims. Without Simon’s statement, it could have been easily dismissed as an unfortunate accident.

I suspect she attempted to make them ill, perhaps very ill, out of spite, perhaps fed-up, but it’s hard to believe she planned to murder them, 5 of them. Have been following case since day 1 in the media, Iam really looking forward to the trial.
 
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The previous illnesses of her husband don’t match the story. Does she forage everything for food? Lampshades, too? If you remember, he was supposed to attend the dinner and avoided the last moment.

Well her husband did have a very serious medical issue, seemingly something to do with his digestive system that required extensive hospital treatment from what little we know.

However, it has certainly not been confirmed by any medical experts that his condition was related to poisoning or being treated for suspected poisoning. We would need verified info and this will come out in court no doubt. JMO MOO
 
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Apologies if this has been addressed on a previous thread, but is there speculation as to where she would have gotten death cap mushrooms and been certain they were indeed death caps? If foraging, couldn't you just as easily mistakenly get harmless mushrooms since they look the same? Can death caps be obtained easily?
 
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Apologies if this has been addressed on a previous thread, but is there speculation as to where she would have gotten death cap mushrooms and been certain they were indeed death caps? If foraging, couldn't you just as easily mistakenly get harmless mushrooms since they look the same? Can death caps be obtained easily?

Death caps do grow in the Australian countryside, so yes, she did have access to them.

There was an article published that claimed a friend said Erin was an experienced forager, so she would know what to look for. It's the Daily Mail, so take it with a grain of salt, but I'm sure Erin's foraging abilities (or lack thereof) will be an issue at trial.



edit: Note that many mistaken identity cases regarding death caps are because of immigrant foragers. In Asia, there are edible mushrooms that look an awful lot like the death cap, so the foragers don't realize that what they see in other parts of the world are a different species. I think an expert who was trained on Australian fungi would be much less likely to make an error.

 
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I suspect she attempted to make them ill, perhaps very ill, out of spite, perhaps fed-up, but it’s hard to believe she planned to murder them, 5 of them. Have been following case since day 1 in the media, Iam really looking forward to the trial.
Yes, i can believe that she might be a very spiteful person.
 
  • #218
I suspect she attempted to make them ill, perhaps very ill, out of spite, perhaps fed-up, but it’s hard to believe she planned to murder them, 5 of them

Two things: (1) Reportedly this woman is highly intelligent and an experienced mushroom forager. IMO she would have been very aware of the toxicity of those mushrooms. (2) She has been charged with attempting to murder her ex-husband on 3 occasions.
 
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I suspect she attempted to make them ill, perhaps very ill, out of spite, perhaps fed-up, but it’s hard to believe she planned to murder them, 5 of them. Have been following case since day 1 in the media, Iam really looking forward to the trial.

I suspect the only reason you feed someone deadly mushrooms is to kill them. Anything else is giving them a completely unreasonable benefit of the doubt.
 
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I suspect the only reason you feed someone deadly mushrooms is to kill them. Anything else is giving them a completely unreasonable benefit of the doubt.

There lies the likely defence strategy. If you deliberately set out to poison someone with say, Cyanide, there's no mistake in what you're doing. It would be very difficult to give cyanide to someone accidentally. However, it may be a fairly easy to accidentally feed someone food that contained botulism - also a deadly poison.

Deadly mushrooms don't have a label on them and are amongst hundreds of thousands of varieties of mushrooms.

Can it be established
a) she knew they were extremely poisonous and didn't accidentally mistake them for safe mushrooms?
b) she knew feeding them would result in serious illness or death?

I personally believe her suspect behaviour points to her knowing exactly what she was doing but suspect behaviour isn't proof. It's just a link in the chain of evidence...

MOO
 
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