Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

[TMich6811]

Yet, Josie didn't "take out" anyone. She yelled.

It takes mind-gymnastics to conclude she is violent from that.

MOO

I’m not sure if you meant this at me but I didn’t say she was violent.

 

[_sleuthdog_]

I got that feeling from reading all the posts hence why I said he’s going to be arguing with Jessie about her not listening to him and his rightful concerns

Jess or Jessica, not Jessie.

 

[Ruminations]

I’m not sure if you meant this at me but I didn’t say she was violent.

I didn't think you did; I thought you were supporting the argument that it was natural, not suspicious, to want press off the property.

Tone is hard, lol. I didn't mean to seem to argue with you.

MOO

 

[TMich6811]

I didn't think you did; I thought you were supporting the argument that it was natural, not suspicious, to want press off the property.

Tone is hard, lol. I didn't mean to seem to argue with you.

MOO

I follow lol I thought you were meaning that toward me. Thanks for explaining

 

[packetgravy]

Hmm.

I wonder if police are leaning toward the accidental death -> panic -> concealment modal.

Panic behaviours following accidental death are often less about the cause of death and more about the irreversibility of the outcome and broader perceived responses.

The timeline discrepancies may hold the clue to potential panic behaviour expected in cases of accidental death (i.e delayed escalation, reconstruction of events, concealment.)

Moo.

 

[Ellery84]

Considering it is a single incident that happened under extreme circumstances (like, you know, having a missing grandson certainly increases ones stress levels), it's not enough of adequate evidence to infer anything about Josie's tendences.

MOO

Most potential tendency evidence gets thrown out in court anyway, if one has a half-decent barrister.

IMO

 

[BreakingNews]

We don't know that he HAD complaints, or was concerned about his children's safety. That is just a rumor.

His allowing the arrangement suggests he did not have complaints. His joint statement asking for information suggests he did not have complaints; the parents appear to have agreed on the living plan for the children.

MOO

MOO

Going along with an arrangement is far from meaning one is happy with it. Coercive control.

 

[BreakingNews]

PS I just remembered something else - my father lived there most of his life, and I'm pretty sure he told me that once when he was youngish the pit got too high, so it was filled in, and a new one dug almost right next to it. And my point is that some new concreting was done.

I lived with long drops at school and at home as a kid. No concreting over the old site. It was just filled with lime and sawdust and the building was moved to another site.

 

[SouthAussie]

AFAIK we don't even know what the arrangement was between Jess and Josh, for the children. Let alone be able to determine if either of them was unhappy with it or not.

imo

 

[katydid23]

Yelling "Are you deaf?" Is hardly threatening.

Unless you happen to be holding a loaded shotgun.

The property has multiple gates approaching it. The police said that some were locked, at a press conference when they were explaining ruling out abduction. Yet a reporter decides to come with a camera person up to the property of a family that clearly does not want to give interviews and is shocked by being yelled off? That is not suspicious.

Again, yelling while holding a loaded shotgun brings it to a higher threat level. IMO

LE has also said that the grandparents both will not speak to LE directly, but will only speak through lawyers. I don't think that is suspicious.

LE said that little guy did not wander off and was not abducted, according to their investigation. And they said there were inconsistencies in the stories from one [or both?] of the grandmothers, who were no longer fully cooperating.

Speaking 'through lawyers' is the bare minimum of cooperation, when police are trying to help you find your little grandson, imo.

These are the suspicious facts: LE has said a grandparent is a suspect. LE has said that the family members time lines do not add up. There were no traces of Gus per the trackers, as if the scene were cleaned. And one more in my opinion: I think it is suspicious that the family including both parents chose not to release a photo. IMO, even with knowing about the gates and the dust and the remoteness, I imagine if Gus had just disappeared and nobody knew where he was, especially after the infrared drone searches, I would think the adults would become convinced someone did somehow kidnap him. What else would they think, if they did not know or strongly suspect other family members were involved?

And at that point, I would think, they would have released photos in hopes someone saw the kidnapper with their child. Either parent could have authorized the publication, I imagine. If the police didn't want the photo, because they saw the gates, the remoteness and knew they would get only false leads from one, I would think a parent would have gone to the press/social media/taped up signed in town with a photo, out of desperation, if it seemed like the only possibility was kidnapping and the police didn't want to release a photo.

I understand that not everyone agrees failing to release a photo given the terrain and remoteness is suspicious. I live where it is more densely populated. That could be causing me to analyze this incorrectly.

MOO

I don't think the density should matter, when being asked to share photos to help find a missing child, IMO

 

[bruecbrian290]

What about the possibility of amnesia? Accident could've happened to Gus and the trauma/stress of it could have caused amnesia and the whole thing could have been forgotten.

 

[Kemug]

your father lived where??

On the farm in South Australia where I grew up.

 

[Kemug]

I lived with long drops at school and at home as a kid. No concreting over the old site. It was just filled with lime and sawdust and the building was moved to another site.

No it wasn't the actual old site which was concreted over, that was just weeds. But the new one had a rough concrete floor, and a bit more through the doorway. Because of rain/mud I suppose.

 

[BreakingNews]

No it wasn't the actual old site which was concreted over, that was just weeds. But the new one had a rough concrete floor, and a bit more through the doorway. Because of rain/mud I suppose.

OK, that seems posh. We just had a few floor boards.

 

[packetgravy]

OK, that seems posh. We just had a few floor boards.

Cant say I’ve heard of them being referred to as “drop toilets” before. The concrete, the ladder, the cat.. all very interesting.

 

[wvmoonangel]

Why has the GP's retained defense Lawyers? Does anyone know yet who the family member is they are referring to in this article?
"Detective Superintendent Darren Fielke said detectives suspected that a family member living at Oak Park Station was involved in Gus's disappearance".

MSN

 

[Kemug]

What about the possibility of amnesia? Accident could've happened to Gus and the trauma/stress of it could have caused amnesia and the whole thing could have been forgotten.

By both grandmothers?

 

[bruecbrian290]

By both grandmothers?

I'm not sure, I haven't been active on here in a while, don't remember the full original story. Just a possible theory, one or both may have amnesia? Hard to suggest who may have it without knowing what actually happened, or who was with Gus, forgotten that too.

 

[BreakingNews]

Cant say I’ve heard of them being referred to as “drop toilets” before. The concrete, the ladder, the cat.. all very interesting.

Drop toilets because a deep hole was dug and it lasted the entire school year. We only had about 12 kids in the entire school. At home, the hole was never so deep.

 

[Ruminations]

Unless you happen to be holding a loaded shotgun.

Again, yelling while holding a loaded shotgun brings it to a higher threat level. IMO

LE said that little guy did not wander off and was not abducted, according to their investigation. And they said there were inconsistencies in the stories from one [or both?] of the grandmothers, who were no longer fully cooperating.

Speaking 'through lawyers' is the bare minimum of cooperation, when police are trying to help you find your little grandson, imo.

I don't think the density should matter, when being asked to share photos to help find a missing child, IMO

We don't know if the family was asked to share photos with the public by LE, so we don't know if the family declined to do so for LE. We only know that parents could release photos of their own child if they wanted to, and LE could not compel them either way. Personally, I find it odd that the parents chose not to release photos, but there is no evidence they refused to, against LE request. Personally, I don't get a good feeling from their decision not to release photos, but there is no reason to think LE "asked" them to, and other reasonable people think it is not suspicious because of the geography.

Releasing photos only makes sense in a kidnapping scenario. If the police had ruled that out, I'm not sure why they would have an interest in the family releasing photos to the public, nor would they ask the family to do so.

Regarding a shot gun on one's own property behind fences, gates, and no trespassing signs? It was never pointed at at the intruders. The intruders went to the police who were untroubled by Josie's behavior, and pointed out that the reporters were the trespassers. In the US, Josie's behavior on private property would be vigorously defended.

I don't know if there is any information available about if the gun was loaded or not, btw. It wasn't fired. Or pointed. Or loaded on video.


MOO