Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

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I would think if Samuel was there, then the daily mail would have published a photo of him?

I’m guessing but I am not sure, with 100% certainty.

They published the video of the grandma’s with a random guy.

They’ve blurred his face, but if Samuel got into their frame when they were visiting Josh, they would have shot that photo of Samuel.

Even they blurred his face, I think they still would have published it.

IMO
What makes you think the sons were with the grandma's? The story was all about Josh staying with his brother in Adelaide. The DM clearly stated that Samuel told them to leave his property.
The real issue is finding Gus.
 
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Probably because there are some footprints belonging to Gus around the homestead that they were able to compare.

Just because they 'only found two footprints' doesn't necessarily mean that there were no footprints in the area where Gus didn't wander.

It may mean that the two footprints they found are the only ones they found not at the homestead or where could be expected.

imo
Agree, police have never said there were no shoe-prints belonging to Gus around the homestead. What they have said, Imo, is that they could not determine a direction of travel. When you think about the searching that went on by the family initially, that makes sense to me in terms of inadvertent disturbance being a likely factor amongst others. Jmo.
 
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Dbm
 
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I appreciate the info. I was watching a reputable video and this grown man entered a large wombat hole.....it was a tight fit, but he went in with a camera. The reason I researched it a bit as it came up in discussion as a potential place where a child could wind up and possibly never be seen or found.

Thanks.
A wombat hole is about 12" across, you couldn't miss it.
 
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She looked absolutely broken to me.
I would think so. The “grandmother was the last one to see Gus evidently. I imagine the guilt is horrendous
 
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I hope SM is getting the support she needs from those who care about her welfare, knowing she is as human as the next person. Those who care IRL are hopefully helping her share the burden of guilt, a burden which moo readily afflicts the families of missing persons. Jmo it would be psychologically normative and unsurprising that SM, JM, Gus' parents and any other adults in the immediate family are currently suffering from terrible pain and excessive guilt.

@SouthAussie posted an informative, compassionate and trauma informed story by a local outlet not far up-thread regarding the loss, sorrow grief and yes, guilt, endured by families of missing persons. I cannot fathom what they are going through, but moo they deserve compassion.

Adding my two cents to the recent discussion topic here; the family's stated need to grieve privately, out of the public eye...to be given the space they need, and really their very simple request to not be engaged by media at this time, deserves understanding and the utmost respect. The DM doesn't surprise really... But it's good to see other MSM respecting boundaries and applying some basic ethics. Jmo
 
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If we look at what was happening on the property in the days/weeks leading up to the disappearance of Gus the answer is shearing season.
Early spring brings shearers, rouseabouts and truck drivers (to transport bales of wool) . Shearing mobs stay in shearers quarters on the property. They would possibly know the Murray’s routine and that Shannon cares for the children while Jess and Josie tend to the farm. A few of the crew may have done some exploring after work and are familiar with the area.
Seems fishy to me that shearing season had not long finished before Gus went missing.
IMO
I’ve repeatedly written about the ‘importance’ of the timing of the shearing & when the last of the staff associated with that left Oak Park, but no one has commented.

IMO it’s quite possible that it all finished up that Saturday / Friday evening before. Josie & Jess may have been returning the last of the sheep back to their paddock.

We heard they were tending sheep 10 k away from the homestead when Gus disappeared, but we have no idea when they left to do that . … perhaps they only left at 4pm after the afternoon cuppa.

These details are majorly important imo but nothing has been made public, and there has to be a reason why.

There also has to be a reason why family would refrain from asking for help to find a missing child - it’s almost as if they knew it was futile from the outset.

One would hope that everyone who’s been on that place in the course of the year has been spoken to & had their brains picked.
 
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Just because they 'only found two footprints' doesn't necessarily mean that there were no footprints in the area where Gus didn't wander.
But they don’t know where he did or didn’t wander, or even if he Did wander … so many $99 questions !

They found One foot print that they identified as belonging to Gus.

IMO if there were other of his footprints surely Police would say along the lines of ‘we are confident of him being in this area due to his numerous foot prints, however nothing is evident outside of that area, except for One print which may not even be recent’
 
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But they don’t know where he did or didn’t wander, or even if he Did wander … so many $99 questions !

They found One foot print that they identified as belonging to Gus.

IMO if there were other of his footprints surely Police would say along the lines of ‘we are confident of him being in this area due to his numerous foot prints, however nothing is evident outside of that area, except for One print which may not even be recent’
Walking fast with a 4 year old in the arms, entering the hover craft leaving a footprint from exertion

communicating thumbs up, no one around
Small lightweight hellipocter
Artificial eagle 🧐
 
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IMO if there were other of his footprints surely Police would say along the lines of ‘we are confident of him being in this area due to his numerous foot prints, however nothing is evident outside of that area, except for One print which may not even be recent’

(UBM, BBM)

SA Police Assistant Commissioner Ian Parrott ...... "No tangible pieces of evidence, such as footprints, a hat or clothing, have been located to identify any direction of travel to assist searchers."

 
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(UBM, BBM)

SA Police Assistant Commissioner Ian Parrott ...... "No tangible pieces of evidence, such as footprints, a hat or clothing, have been located to identify any direction of travel to assist searchers."

Ok, well he has to be somewhere. If he’s not out there where else could he be? No hat, clothing or any sign of him anywhere. What on Gods earth happened to him? Gus where are you lil man?
 
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I’ve repeatedly written about the ‘importance’ of the timing of the shearing & when the last of the staff associated with that left Oak Park, but no one has commented.

IMO it’s quite possible that it all finished up that Saturday / Friday evening before. Josie & Jess may have been returning the last of the sheep back to their paddock.

We heard they were tending sheep 10 k away from the homestead when Gus disappeared, but we have no idea when they left to do that . … perhaps they only left at 4pm after the afternoon cuppa.

These details are majorly important imo but nothing has been made public, and there has to be a reason why.

There also has to be a reason why family would refrain from asking for help to find a missing child - it’s almost as if they knew it was futile from the outset.

One would hope that everyone who’s been on that place in the course of the year has been spoken to & had their brains picked.
I’m surprised that you’re the only one to comment about the importance of the timing of shearing.
IMO at the beginning the family seemed certain that the explanation for Gus’ disappearance was wandering, possibly because theres no reason for anyone to drive close to the homestead unless visiting (as posted by zesszesszess). Wandering and getting lost did seem the most likely reason but I’m not so sure about that now because theres no evidence of that happening. IMO infrared would’ve found him, or birds of prey would’ve led trackers to where he perished.
The family would still be looking for their little boy everyday .
Hopefully now the shearer’s are being more closely looked at. The police probably know more than they’re letting on.


zesszesszess gave some local insight;
Shearing usually occurs in early Spring, before the weather warms up. It's almost always outsourced. Most stations have 'shearers quarters' - an area or building in which shearers can camp/stay while they're at a property. There are only a handful of shearing mobs in the region, and most properties build a business relationship with one of them - using only them.

There's no reason for anyone to drive anywhere close to the Oak Park homestead itself, unless they are there to visit.

It's not uncommon for people from surrounding stations to use minor tracks that traverse the periphery of the Oak Park property, however, to get to other portions of their own properties. For instance, the quickest way to get from the Tiverton homestead to the Tiverton outstation is via a road that cuts through the eastern edge of Oak Park.
 
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Walking fast with a 4 year old in the arms, entering the hover craft leaving a footprint from exertion

communicating thumbs up, no one around
Small lightweight hellipocter
Artificial eagle 🧐
Given the size of the property, one can even imagine, that the family owns a helicopter. But AFAIK, we don't know about any vehicle or a stolen one.
 
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RSBM
The family would still be looking for their little boy everyday .
And like the myriad reasons we've explored, which infer Gus did not wander from the homestead and perish, I'd think if Gus hid or got stuck and died near or in the homestead there would be a foul odor by now that would be hard to miss. That is, unless Gus is in a sealed space.
Hopefully now the shearer’s are being more closely looked at.
Does Australia have something akin to the U.S.' Dru Sjodin National Sex Offender Public Website and database searchable by LE (and the public)? If so, does anyone think LE would have cross referenced ALL the station hands (male and female)? Seems like investigation 101, but...
 
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Does anyone know when the next search is taking place? It was mentioned towards the end of ast week (I think) but I haven't heard anything else about it.
 
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Does Australia have something akin to the U.S.' Dru Sjodin National Sex Offender Public Website and database searchable by LE (and the public)? If so, does anyone think LE would have cross referenced ALL the station hands (male and female)? Seems like investigation 101, but...

No, we do not have a public website (though many of us would like one).

The police all have a sex offender registry. South Australia passed some laws last year which allows public disclosure in some instances (when requested).


All Australian states and territories have a ‘sex offender register’ which holds details of individuals who have been convicted of sexual offences against a child.

While there have long been calls for the register to be made public, this is not currently the case and there is no public register in any Australian jurisdiction.


Can I Check if Someone is On the Sex Offender Register?


South Australia Police maintains a database of registrable offenders, which includes child sex offenders as well as those offenders convicted of certain other serious offences against children.

Under the laws, which passed State Parliament yesterday, South Australians will be able to seek information about serious child sex offenders living in their area.

It will also enable parents to check whether individuals who have unsupervised access to their children are registrable offenders, and what offences led to their inclusion on the register.


Nowhere to hide as SA closes in on child sex offender register
 
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No, we do not have a public website (though many of us would like one).

The police all have a sex offender registry. South Australia passed some laws last year which allows public disclosure in some instances (when requested).


All Australian states and territories have a ‘sex offender register’ which holds details of individuals who have been convicted of sexual offences against a child.

While there have long been calls for the register to be made public, this is not currently the case and there is no public register in any Australian jurisdiction.


Can I Check if Someone is On the Sex Offender Register?


South Australia Police maintains a database of registrable offenders, which includes child sex offenders as well as those offenders convicted of certain other serious offences against children.

Under the laws, which passed State Parliament yesterday, South Australians will be able to seek information about serious child sex offenders living in their area.

It will also enable parents to check whether individuals who have unsupervised access to their children are registrable offenders, and what offences led to their inclusion on the register.


Nowhere to hide as SA closes in on child sex offender register

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