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So I wonder what the grandparents are thinking, are planning, are expecting? Sadly they now seem to have only their daughter and their grandson Ronnie as heirs to the property. It's entirely possible that their daughter Jess will never return there. Will the grandparents sell up, and retire into obscurity? After working so hard for it? At their ages, they probably can't keep up the workload much longer, with or without Jess. Perhaps they will hire a manager?
 
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" 'There's no further comment at this stage',
Adelaide criminal lawyer Andrew Ey,
representing Josie said on Thursday.

Shannon's representative,
defence lawyer Casey Isaacs,
also said his client
'is co-operating through her solicitor'.

Mr Isaacs did not elaborate further."
 
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So I wonder what the grandparents are thinking, are planning, are expecting? Sadly they now seem to have only their daughter and their grandson Ronnie as heirs to the property. It's entirely possible that their daughter Jess will never return there. Will the grandparents sell up, and retire into obscurity? After working so hard for it? At their ages, they probably can't keep up the workload much longer, with or without Jess. Perhaps they will hire a manager?
I think at least one of them will be seeing out what is left of their days in a prison cell - possibly both.
 
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So I wonder what the grandparents are thinking, are planning, are expecting? Sadly they now seem to have only their daughter and their grandson Ronnie as heirs to the property. It's entirely possible that their daughter Jess will never return there. Will the grandparents sell up, and retire into obscurity? After working so hard for it? At their ages, they probably can't keep up the workload much longer, with or without Jess. Perhaps they will hire a manager?

Do we know that the grandparents have no other children?
 
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I think at least one of them will be seeing out what is left of their days in a prison cell - possibly both.

If it were the case that one was the instigator and the other the helper, then I wonder why the helper hasn’t agreed to provide information about the instigator, perhaps in return for some kind of plea deal?

I can’t get over how they’re both staying silent, despite knowing the pain their silence is causing. Are they merely protecting each other or is there something about the alleged incident and alleged body concealment that’s too bad, too shameful, for them to admit to. Or, was it in fact, a joint enterprise with both being involved equally?
 
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I think at least one of them will be seeing out what is left of their days in a prison cell - possibly both.
Perhaps but they don’t seem to have actual evidence. I think while there is a chance that he wandered or got stuck somewhere they won’t be able to proceed, unless they get a confession. And this may come, I think the grandmothers, if they were involved may find the pressure too much.
 
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I think at least one of them will be seeing out what is left of their days in a prison cell - possibly both.
But one has been declared a suspect. At the moment, nothing more. I think I'm right in saying that this status can remain indefinitely?? Did this happen with the William Tyrrell case?
Neither grandparent has been found guilty of anything. Or even charged with anything. And they may never be.
I'm not saying this to indicate anything about my personal feelings on the case. Just playing devil's advocate.
JMO.
 
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But for some reason there is still a small part of me that thinks it is possible that the grandparents honestly do not know what happened
RSBM. Ditto. I also house a similar small part ( it's tiny but it's there).. I also believe that supt. Fielke did leave that door very slightly cracked open when questioned in first section of Feb 5 presser. Jmo and interpretation.

ETA by door open a crack, I mean the lost theory.
 
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I’m thinking the whole sandpit story is made up, he was never playing there at 5 pm, and something happened to Gus earlier.
It’s a bit too convenient for my liking - there at 5:00, gone at 5:30 .
It was dark that particular day at 6:15 and not much moonlight, if I remember correctly.
If Jess arrived home around 6:00 for tea she wouldn’t have had much light/time to search for her son ….

IMO
I agree. The fact that she apparently offered 30 up front makes it seem less genuine to me.

My point is: why make up a story where you are a little impeachable. Nobody's perfect, but why not say there was a 5 minute gap since she checked on him.

I feel like, if it were the truth he wandered off, she might have said just that at first, gradually lengthening the time since she last saw him as he continued to not be found. I feel like, that little lie would be human nature, even for basically truthful people.

At first she'd say, he was there 5 minute ago. Then it would morph to 10-15 minutes. Then slowly stretch to 30, if 30 were the truth.

MOO
 
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But one has been declared a suspect. At the moment, nothing more. I think I'm right in saying that this status can remain indefinitely?? Did this happen with the William Tyrrell case?
Neither grandparent has been found guilty of anything. Or even charged with anything. And they may never be.
I'm not saying this to indicate anything about my personal feelings on the case. Just playing devil's advocate.
JMO.
And we don't even know what exactly is meant by suspect. Someone might be suspected, at this point, of something like impeding an investigation.

MOO
 
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Which might be why they’ve allegedly dug in and are refusing to say anything.

However, they must care about something

They do.. each other.
 
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I am wracking my brain for a motive.
There isn’t one.
I can not think of a reason a grandparent would want to kill a grandchild.
Stats agree.
Covering up any kind of accident also doesn't make sense, either on the part of the person who caused the accident
Sure, to you this might be the case.
or the person who knows who caused the accident but doesn't say.
As above.

MOO.
 
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They do.. each other.

More than themselves (because one might be able to get a plea deal if they speak out)? More than their daughter? Than Gus? Than their other grandchild?

Those are all rhetorical questions but I can’t imagine caring so much for a spouse that I’d cover up the accidental or otherwise death of a grandchild (or any child actually).
 
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They do.. each other.
Yes and it seems to end there. The silence says they don’t care about Jess.

Even if one does confess to being a sole perpetrator and takes all the blame, how will we know they weren’t both involved ?
Pants on fire 🔥
Moo
 
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Yes and it seems to end there. The silence says they don’t care about Jess.

Even if one does confess to being a sole perpetrator and takes all the blame, how will we know they weren’t both involved ?
Pants on fire 🔥
Moo

At least if one takes the blame, Gus will be returned to his parents and be able to rest in peace, assuming that the police are right in saying they no longer think he’s alive.

It’s a pity they can’t be questioned in a more robust manner. I reckon one might break then.
 
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Again, more evidence that makes me think any alleged death was accidental. JMO but something went horribly wrong and all evidence had to be concealed. This would likely involve both grandparents but without knowing exactly where Gus is and how he’s concealed, the police can’t yet confirm only two people were involved.
Police have never confirmed that two people were involved. One was not cooperating and deemed to be a suspect. Then the other didn't cooperate. That second person has not been deemed to be a suspect. Yet.
 
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Just replying to my own post. I had a few more thoughts. Lol

I can sort of understand 'panicking' if it was an accident and the perp didn't want to lose their daughter, their other grandchild and perhaps their livliehood. It could almost be categorized as temporary insanity. Having a dead child on your watch would absolutely be traumatizing.

However, that does not excuse the ongoing obscufacting of what happened and where he is.

The fact that the two suspects are the grandparents, the ongoing unaccountability despite their only daughter being destroyed by this is evil. There is no excuse whatsoever for having this go on for nearly 6 months with continued lies.

If it truly was an accident, taking accountability regardless of the consequences would be the right thing to do. And they may even have gotten leniency, we don't know.

Because of all this, I am now leaning towards anger being the motive. The person responsible, by not taking accountability shows selfishness, stubbornness, disregard for their daughter, and obvious disregard for poor sweet Gus.

Anger towards Gus himself or his dad is hard to say without all the facts.

When I said it reminded me of Gannon, the more I think about it, the more I feel this was similar in nature.
Police have never said they had 2 suspects. Originally they said one suspect not cooperating. Later the second person was also not cooperating. Never was it said there were 2 suspects. It is everyone's right in Australia to state your name and address only and say nothing else. Even lawyer up. Innocent until proved guilty.
 
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I agree. The fact that she apparently offered 30 up front makes it seem less genuine to me.

My point is: why make up a story where you are a little impeachable. Nobody's perfect, but why not say there was a 5 minute gap since she checked on him.

I feel like, if it were the truth he wandered off, she might have said just that at first, gradually lengthening the time since she last saw him as he continued to not be found. I feel like, that little lie would be human nature, even for basically truthful people.

At first she'd say, he was there 5 minute ago. Then it would morph to 10-15 minutes. Then slowly stretch to 30, if 30 were the truth.

MOO
As another possible theory. What if Shannon's story is totally true. What is Josie came home early and did something to Gus. Unbeknown to Shannon. Shannon goes out and cant find Gus. Josie stays quiet and runs with the wandered off story. Moo.
 
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Police have never confirmed that two people were involved. One was not cooperating and deemed to be a suspect. Then the other didn't cooperate. That second person has not been deemed to be a suspect. Yet.

Yes, I appreciate that. My response was to the post I quoted which hypothesised both were involved :) And yes, I agree with you that only one suspect “yet” is the most obvious/best way to think of things. Perhaps the non-suspect is being given an opportunity to think and co-operate sufficiently that Gus can be found.

JMO - I do believe that both were involved in some way or know something of what happened - or perhaps just have suspicions.
 

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