Australia Australia - Amesha Rajapakse, 31, Westmead, NSW, 26 Aug 2014

[Ausgirl]

Also didn't Police first say that there were no injuries on her body?

I wonder if the autopsy had been done, at that stage.

 

[Keshi]

I wonder if the autopsy had been done, at that stage.

Probably not. It must have been based on their initial examination of the body.

 

[Ausgirl]

Just did a news search, and.. nothing.

Which is quite strange. If indeed they did think this was a suicide.. in many other cases of this kind, where it's found to be suicide, they'll announce "no suspicious circumstances" as a subtle way of saying "self harm", I suppose to help quell public fears.

In this case, nothing. Very strange.

 

[Keshi]

I have thought about the standing upright in the mud scenario - and the possibilities of her dying because of it, still don''t add up or make sense.

For her to be standing upright deceased in the mud would have to be 3 foot deep or more, or past her waist.
If that was so - why did no one hear her scream for help?
Or she had fallen onto something (like metal) which had fatally wounded her, and allowed her body to either be in an upright position.
She had been dropped from a height vertically causing her death -
or a bad English translation - it may have meant to have been 'lying' in the mud.

I have not thought that Amesha's death was a suicide - and the lack of msm on this doesn't convince me either.

Yep it's a bizarre scenario. I can't even imagine that. But I guess there are many intricacies and parameters of life and situations that we'll never understand. And there are many *atypical* ways to die.

 

[Keshi]

Just did a news search, and.. nothing.

Which is quite strange. If indeed they did think this was a suicide.. in many other cases of this kind, where it's found to be suicide, they'll announce "no suspicious circumstances" as a subtle way of saying "self harm", I suppose to help quell public fears.

In this case, nothing. Very strange.

True. But this brings us back to the family's wishes. What if they didn't want the Police to make it public? The only scenario in which something like that can happen is when it's a suicide. If the family do not want their loved one's story being public, I'm sure the Police would cooperate with them. After all, that is what privacy is all about. And people are very private about suicide. If it was a suspicious death, Police is not going to abide by family's wishes. And family isn't going to keep quiet either. The human pursuit for justice is never silent.

 

[they'll get you]

TGY -- you're so awesome.

Thank you so much for going there and getting pics. Just be careful, hey. I hope you're not going alone!

Yes I went alone with no qualms until I got close to that carpark. I'm not a paranoid person but for some reason I felt many eyes on me and a very uneasiness overcame me.
Was it all the balconies or the feeling of the men watching & silent. I never feel like that unless I'm in immediate danger! Almost a fight or flight feeling.

So, was Amesha suffering from paranoia or was she terrified of someone. :thinking:

 

[Keshi]

Not sure how every complex-gym operates. Maybe you still need to be obtain membership for security reasons?

**need to be obtained

 

[Keshi]

Yes I went alone with no qualms until I got close to that carpark. I'm not a paranoid person but for some reason I felt many eyes on me and a very uneasiness overcame me.
Was it all the balconies or the feeling of the men watching & silent. I never feel like that unless I'm in immediate danger! Almost a fight or flight feeling.

So, was Amesha suffering from paranoia or was she terrified of someone. :thinking:

What kind of men? Were they in balconies or outside in the car park?

 

[Keshi]

I was in the car park approx 3pm and I'm not easily spooked but if I were there at night in that back carpark with high fences and several men suddenly silenced and just watching me I would be very uncomfortable.
It is not sinister that anyone congregate and chat over a cigarette outdoors and it seemed 100's of balconies overlooking the car park but I think it would feel even worse at night. I don't know how well the carpark would be lit but, I can't explain, it felt ominous.
Maybe it was me standing at that very garden bed that Amesha either jumped or was thrown over but once in the creek it would be terrifying and very hard to get out. JMHO.

If Amesha had screamed that night I'm sure someone could have heard her from one of those balconies even over the heavy rain.

Which to me brings back to the self-harm scenario. That's how one would not make noise or let anyone see them. If it was a homicide, there would have been some noise, some eye-witness accounts, some kind of clue. The silence here screams of a well-thought-out "ending it all". That's how you would not be heard or seen until it's too late of course.

 

[Ausgirl]

Lots of murders have happened with no sound, no witnesses. I have sleuthed a quadruple murder that happened literally four feet from the neighbours and no-one heard a thing. And that one involved a child abduction as well!!

The silence really only indicates that no-one's going to police to report hearing something.

 

[Xantara]

Lots of murders have happened with no sound, no witnesses. I have sleuthed a quadruple murder that happened literally four feet from the neighbours and no-one heard a thing. And that one involved a child abduction as well!!

The silence really only indicates that no-one's going to police to report hearing something.

Thanks so much TGY for the sleuthing. Having read all the updates - for me - it DOES sound like suicide. My take on it is that she hanged herself from a tree with her scarf, but the branch could have broken or the scarf unravelled from the branch and she dropped down into the mud. I do recall msm reports saying that police were wading through three foot deep water or sludge in the creek.

 

[they'll get you]

What kind of men? Were they in balconies or outside in the car park?

They were standing in the middle of the car park and didn't move when I had to slightly drive around them to park the car.
They were only having a cigarette, it might have been a meeting place for those occupants. But when I got out of my car they stopped talking and just stood there silently watching me walk over towards the fence. Maybe they were worried for my safety and wondering WTF is woman going to do, oh no, not another one! :/
I don't know why I felt so uneasy but IF Amesha went over that fence of her own accord I stood exactly where the poor little thing stood.
Next time I'll check out the cameras because I imagine the carpark is floodlit & they should have picked up what happened to Amesha that night, surely!

 

[Keshi]

Thanks so much TGY for the sleuthing. Having read all the updates - for me - it DOES sound like suicide. My take on it is that she hanged herself from a tree with her scarf, but the branch could have broken or the scarf unravelled from the branch and she dropped down into the mud. I do recall msm reports saying that police were wading through three foot deep water or sludge in the creek.

Exactly what I'm thinking too. Sad as it sounds, there is no other reason at the moment to think it is anything else. A lack of a photo of Amesha was the first hint.

 

[Keshi]

Lots of murders have happened with no sound, no witnesses. I have sleuthed a quadruple murder that happened literally four feet from the neighbours and no-one heard a thing. And that one involved a child abduction as well!!

The silence really only indicates that no-one's going to police to report hearing something.

I understand. But why is there no photo of Amesha being released at all? If it was a murder, I imagine the police would seek eye witness accounts and require public assistance in solving it?

 

[they'll get you]

I understand. But why is there no photo of Amesha being released at all? If it was a murder, I imagine the police would seek eye witness accounts and require public assistance in solving it?

I totally agree.
If the CCTV cameras caught Amesha going over the wall on her own, I guess it's an open & shut case and then there would be no reason to release her photo. It's made up of several big apartment blocks, I was there for a short time, saw many people and the huge wall of balconies looming directly above. I imagine there would be security floodlighting the par park and a good storm usually prompts someone to look watch the rain & lightening. (I love a storm).
.

(I'm sure I saw her brother talking on the phone around the white Camry).

 

[FigTree]

Exactly what I'm thinking too. Sad as it sounds, there is no other reason at the moment to think it is anything else. A lack of a photo of Amesha was the first hint.

There is also Accidental Death - though, how would that be distinguished?
No suicide note has been mentioned in msm - not that it means there need be one, but
why and how are questions which may never be answered, regardless of the COD.

The longer MSM dont report on it, the more I don't think they will say.
Privacy by the family (as mentioned in an above post by a WS) may be why.

 

[Ausgirl]

I understand. But why is there no photo of Amesha being released at all? If it was a murder, I imagine the police would seek eye witness accounts and require public assistance in solving it?

There's also a recent precedent for this - two, actually, in Vic and NSW. Both murders, one was not even announced as such right away, just a suspicious death. I'll get the thread links when I have time to hunt them up, but there was not a lot of press and no pics all over the news. That's why I'm not seeing media presence in that aspect as a gauge for where the case is at.

I'm not trying to argue that suicide is impossible. It really is. But so is murder. I'm less sure about the chance of accident - why on earth would Amesha have been in that rough bit of muddy ground over the high fence in the dark and rain, if not under some powerful impulsion, ether her own mental anguish or through the violence of another person.

 

[Keshi]

There's also a recent precedent for this - two, actually, in Vic and NSW. Both murders, one was not even announced as such right away, just a suspicious death. I'll get the thread links when I have time to hunt them up, but there was not a lot of press and no pics all over the news. That's why I'm not seeing media presence in that aspect as a gauge for where the case is at.

I'm not trying to argue that suicide is impossible. It really is. But so is murder. I'm less sure about the chance of accident - why on earth would Amesha have been in that rough bit of muddy ground over the high fence in the dark and rain, if not under some powerful impulsion, ether her own mental anguish or through the violence of another person.

I agree. I'm not completely ruling out homicide or accidental death. Just that Amesha's behavior at the foyer on that night, the reference to the scarf, the absence of a press release that an investigation is continuing, the lack of a photo...they all point to a case that has been closed. From my knowledge of murder/suspicious cases so far, it's always in the news until the case is resolved. This silence is deafening, and too silent IMO. But you never know. The truth is often stranger than fiction.

 

[Keshi]

There is also Accidental Death - though, how would that be distinguished?
No suicide note has been mentioned in msm - not that it means there need be one, but
why and how are questions which may never be answered, regardless of the COD.

The longer MSM dont report on it, the more I don't think they will say.
Privacy by the family (as mentioned in an above post by a WS) may be why.

I'd put myself in the family's shoes. If this was one of my family members that died this way, and if I'm 100% sure it wasn't a suicide, I'd do everything I can to get this out in the press. To find out who killed my loved one/what really happened. I'd want to know. That is how I'd get some kind of closure.

Now if I know it was a suicide, would I do that? There'll be no need for it.

 

[Xantara]

There is also Accidental Death - though, how would that be distinguished?
No suicide note has been mentioned in msm - not that it means there need be one, but
why and how are questions which may never be answered, regardless of the COD.

The longer MSM dont report on it, the more I don't think they will say.
Privacy by the family (as mentioned in an above post by a WS) may be why.

Police could possibly distinguish accidental death from suicide in this case, on the basis of how tightly that scarf was 'wrapped' around her neck. They'd possible also analyse the scarf to see if traces of bark etc could be found on it, indicating it had been tied around a branch. If it was accidental death, I also don't know that Amesha's body would have been 'upright' like that. Sounds like she just kind of dropped down from a height. To me, that description from that msm article conjures of a grotesque scene... If it was the brother who let out that blood curdling scream, I now have a better understanding of why he would have done it. He would have seen straight away that Amesha was dead. I used to imagine her being found lying face down in water and wondered whether the brother had to turn the body around to verify it was Amesha.