Australia Australia - Celine Cremer, 31, Belgium backpacker, car found at the Philosopher’s fall track, Waratah, Tasmania, 12 June 2023

[TootsieFootsie]

I'll have to find the link later but at least one of the news articles said the track turn that Celine seems to have missed did not have any signage.

Since she went missing signage has been added.

 

[Malleeboy]

What we might see as a track that no one would miss becomes a different story when the weather is turning bad and the light is fading.

Out there you could easily start doubting yourself and in those circumstances it's easy to start doubting yourself.
Haven't I been past here before ? I'm sure this couldn't be the way, I'll go the other way etc.

Take for instance GPS map instructions that fail when the human part of you actually starts to doubt the instructions.
I've seen it happen.

And human beings don't always think rationally when their situation changes.

What we think of as a way we or anybody would act is not the way that everybody acts.

The video has a 2 to 3 bank, the flat track is about 1.5 feet, and the way she is going after she crosses the water run path is extremely step.

 

[Malleeboy]

I'll have to find the link later but at least one of the news articles said the track turn that Celine seems to have missed did not have any signage.

Since she went missing signage has been added.

If you watch the last video I posted, Rob shows the path without signage and the current signage.

 

[Malleeboy]

3C... 37F... not below freezing but cold and damp. Had she eaten recently? was she 100% healthy? You can get hypothermia any time you can't maintain your body temperature, so I don't know.

She was in Waratah, went to the toilet, and a servo around lunch time, spent 20 minutes in car at the falls car park (which may have been a lunch break.) I suppose if someone had access to her credit cards, it may confirm if she bought food, however she had been sleeping in her car so may have food in the car and appears to have parked to allow herself to camp in the car park and she had opportunity to buy more food.

 

[Malleeboy]

My other question is that she had a phone that was in linking to a cell tower at times during her walk on the hill but makes no calls for assistance.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

My guess is she thought she could find her own way back.
She didn't think she was in trouble until after she'd dropped her phone and couldn't find it.

 

[Chiatos]

Hi everyone, here is some interesting 9 year old footage of the path between Philosopher´s falls and Magnet Dam. I have no idea why Celine would have chosen to follow that path all by herself. It's an ugly path.

Magnet 2 Dam, 2016.

 

[Rocket333]

Hi everyone, here is some interesting 9 year old footage of the path between Philosopher´s falls and Magnet Dam. I have no idea why Celine would have chosen to follow that path all by herself. It's an ugly path.

Magnet 2 Dam, 2016.

I’m simply thinking that she thought it was a circuit looping back to the falls or the car park, perhaps.

 

[Grouse]

I'll have to find the link later but at least one of the news articles said the track turn that Celine seems to have missed did not have any signage.

Since she went missing signage has been added.

I just relooked at the Rob Parsons video that Malleboy linked above and specifically at 16:58, at the key point, he says "ah, so Celine went up there". Actually there still didn't appear to be any signage on that bit, only the markers that have been left by SES since.

Such an easy mistake to make as on the GPS you are actually going away from the falls at that point, before the path proper bends to the right. If she hadn't been looking at the GPS at that point she might have continued on the right way. So tragic.

 

[Cedars]

Such an easy mistake to make as on the GPS you are actually going away from the falls at that point, before the path proper bends to the right. If she hadn't been looking at the GPS at that point she might have continued on the right way. So tragic.

Yes, something like 'Oh great, a shortcut'. Unfortunately, it may be the mistake many people have made, who've gone missing in the wilderness.

JMO

 

[Grouse]

Yes, something like 'Oh great, a shortcut'. Unfortunately, it may be the mistake many people have made, who've gone missing in the wilderness.

JMO

Yes, or actually I wonder she may have thought it was the correct path, the one she came up on? None of them look very distinct to me, I could very easily get lost in there.

I'm used to more detail on the mapping apps I use (as in UK ordnance survey maps, with paths marked) but on Rob's phone on google maps there was hardly any detail to show paths or anything - guess that's just because of how remote ,vast, wild and unmapped it is compared to where I live.

 

[Cedars]

Yes, or actually I wonder she may have thought it was the correct path, the one she came up on? None of them look very distinct to me, I could very easily get lost in there.

I'm used to more detail on the mapping apps I use (as in UK ordnance survey maps, with paths marked) but on Rob's phone on google maps there was hardly any detail to show paths or anything - guess that's just because of how remote ,vast, wild and unmapped it is compared to where I live.

For myself, I'd remember whether I'd climbed down such a steep slope, just a few minutes earlier...

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I think the fading light may have played a part.