Australia Australia - Chantelle, 27, and Leela McDougall, 6, Toni Popic, 40, Nannup, 13 July 2007

[watergirl62]

I think Simon did it (SDI). I think Tony's drivers license was used by Simon - catching trains and booking a 'double room' at the UB were red herrings to keep us all guessing. I think the chances of him still being in the area are low. J. Roberts, Roberts Rd...fishy. Would Tony resurface if he escaped and knew what happened?

I think the scenario that a pissed off local did it (LDI) is also very plausible, but I have a hard time believing that being angry at Simon would imply that one could also kill Chantelle, who was well liked, not to mention a 6yo girl. That is the only part I am stuck on with with this theory. Who owned the B&B?

Unless, subsequent to SDI (nembutal) he was caught, and he was killed also. Kind of a SDI-LDI mosh up. Then who was on the train?

Either way, I think their remains are still local. Somewhere in the jarrah or behind a dam.

Long shot is TDI. If Tony booked the room and was escaping with the girls to protect them from Simon, would they resurface?

 

[petedavo.au]

I think Simon did it (SDI). I think Tony's drivers license was used by Simon - catching trains and booking a 'double room' at the UB were red herrings to keep us all guessing. I think the chances of him still being in the area are low. J. Roberts, Roberts Rd...fishy. Would Tony resurface if he escaped and knew what happened?

I think the scenario that a pissed off local did it (LDI) is also very plausible, but I have a hard time believing that being angry at Simon would imply that one could also kill Chantelle, who was well liked, not to mention a 6yo girl. That is the only part I am stuck on with with this theory. Who owned the B&B?

Unless, subsequent to SDI (nembutal) he was caught, and he was killed also. Kind of a SDI-LDI mosh up. Then who was on the train?

Either way, I think their remains are still local. Somewhere in the jarrah or behind a dam.

Long shot is TDI. If Tony booked the room and was escaping with the girls to protect them from Simon, would they resurface?

Parallels my first thoughts to a degree.
A murder suicide. Gary aka Simon planned for a suicide pact, but obviously Leela would be too young to join it, so was murdered, maybe Chantele too, so they did themselves in, but Tony lost his bottle, and maybe either survived or more likely Simon let him off to travel home, but he changed his mind and went back and topped himself too, maybe after the others or they were waiting a few days to see if he rejoined them . But this scenario needs them or or done this deed somewhere that has been undiscovered for 20 years, and that is the part that makes it dubious in my mind.
The non accessing of bank accounts severely discounts to me the possibility of Gary aka Simon murdering the rest and going on the lam, and I very much doubt that he'd have the ability to dispose of bodies. He'd more likely to of staged it as a suicide and left them all in the house.
Therefore, the whole disappearance is as fishy as hell IMO.
However the blog post that accused Gary of being an MI5 agent and the group was spirited out belongs in the realm of Harold Holt's Chinese submarine fantasy land.
To me this leaves very few possibilities.
Someone else being involved to dispose of the remains, either at the pre mortem request of Gary aka Simon for reasons unknown, or post mortem for some other nefarious reason, possibly to cover up their involvement that examination of the groups remains would uncover.
Or space aliens came and got them like Simon says.

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[petedavo.au]

Possibility of Gary resurfacing has been explored and websites are still being surveilled.

LDI scenario has been explored and relevant findings have been sent to Crimestoppers WA.

This leaves the scenario, did overseas visitors with a grudge lure them to Perth on the pretext of a Brazil holiday?

Did Gary have enemies through his New Call activities? Sure did, but enough money and intent to pull this off? Maybe... I'm yet to see enough motive, beyond that he diddled money and stole identity before 2007.
But he does seem to be avoiding something with his moves.

So I have a couple of questions to kick it off.
Who was Margaret and what happened to her fortune?
Why was a cult buster and private detective on this case, when did they start and were they employed?
Who else committed suicide and was it long before 2007?
Who else gave him money?
Did he cause the demise of esoteric publishing?

Who was the ex wife and where is she now?


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[pauldking]

The mystery surrounding the disappearance of the Nannup 4 definitely works in the favour of the perp. Who is the perp? IMHO the perp is known to Gary Kadwell and we can't rule out him as the perp as well. I will continue to look for Gary until I get bored or until the case is solved. I still think the perp must be local, know the area well and was privy to the critical info that the 'four' were about to bail out of Nannup.

When I look at the video it appears as if the story has been weighted on Gary and his nefarious ways. I understand the reasoning behind this. I also can't rule out locals that may have approached the media to sway the story that way to suit their benefit. It is a great opportunity to create a ruse and play on the fact that Gary was different. There are inconsistencies in the video such as the local of Leela's house stated east of Nannup in the video whereas we found it is south of the town. It may be a mixture of inaccurate reporting, inaccurate info from others in the first place or a deliberate attempt to mislead the public due to direction from WAPOL. I smell a rat. I suspect someone jumped onto the producers of the doco early to sway the story away from a local cover up. What if there is another production underway now for the 10 year anniversary and the same people are jumping on the front foot to present a convenient view? I wonder if the perp has tweeted to Channel 7?

Who would want to kill a little girl, a lovely mum and an innocent third party? Clearly a psychopath with no remorse. Perhaps the perp arranged others to do it. Maybe there were crew with dodgy pasts that were out of work and available to ruthlessly hunt three or four people down in a forest like pigs. We may never get to the bottom of this mystery. IMHO we need the perp to confess. If that perp is Gary we still need to find him as well.

 

[petedavo.au]

There's appears to be one former Nannup local who always seems to get his name in the newspaper
Apparently described as a media consultant?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2003-10-05/wa-river-deaths-prompt-calls-for-safe-crossing/1488148
http://www.abc.net.au/stateline/wa/content/2006/s1776901.htm
https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/death-dog-hunts-for-missing-hayley-ng-ya-163645
In fact, that very same person did contact channel seven on 5th of December 2015.
[video=twitter;673027996899393536]https://twitter.com/ShannLow/status/673027996899393536[/video]

 

[pauldking]

There's appears to be one former Nannup local who always seems to get his name in the newspaper
Apparently described as a media consultant?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2003-10-05/wa-river-deaths-prompt-calls-for-safe-crossing/1488148
http://www.abc.net.au/stateline/wa/content/2006/s1776901.htm
https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/death-dog-hunts-for-missing-hayley-ng-ya-163645
In fact, that very same person did contact channel seven on 5th of December 2015.
[video=twitter;673027996899393536]https://twitter.com/ShannLow/status/673027996899393536[/video]

That tweet suggests that there is/has a been production underway to be possibly released this year. It may already be too late to stop the ruse. No doubt the new doco will make out what a sociopath and weirdo Simon Kadwell aka Gary Felton is. He is more than a slow moving target if he's dead. Masterful deception when you can lead WAPOL down a garden path (or annoy them) and influence the direction of a documentary. I wonder whatever happened to the book SLaL was writing on the subject as mentioned in earlier posts. Love to have a read of that. I'm a big fan of animatronic sharks. Also love to see his body of work on the Dodd case. Three years? I can tell you some of the early posts on the Dodd thread are the most bizarre ideas I've read on WS.

 

[pauldking]

Thanks for the timeline water girl. I'll have a look at it this week. The date of the letter is curious.

 

[petedavo.au]

That tweet suggests that there is/has a been production underway to be possibly released this year. It may already be too late to stop the ruse. No doubt the new doco will make out what a sociopath and weirdo Simon Kadwell aka Gary Felton is. He is more than a slow moving target if he's dead. Masterful deception when you can lead WAPOL down a garden path (or annoy them) and influence the direction of a documentary. I wonder whatever happened to the book SLaL was writing on the subject as mentioned in earlier posts. Love to have a read of that. I'm a big fan of animatronic sharks. Also love to see his body of work on the Dodd case. Three years? I can tell you some of the early posts on the Dodd thread are the most bizarre ideas I've read on WS.

Sharks.
Now there's a thought that just crossed my mind.
The Great Southern Ocean coast is the Great White's feeding grounds, so too killer whales.
And if a Nannup local was a bit of a fisherman, wouldn't he take a boat out of Windy Harbour (via Northcliffe) for a spot of ocean fishing too?
Feeding the Great White's would be an easy way to dispose of bodies IMO. It's just transporting them there that would be risky I suppose.

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[pauldking]

Sharks.
Now there's a thought that just crossed my mind.
The Great Southern Ocean coast is the Great White's feeding grounds, so too killer whales.
And if a Nannup local was a bit of a fisherman, wouldn't he take a boat out of Windy Harbour (via Northcliffe) for a spot of ocean fishing too?
Feeding the Great White's would be an easy way to dispose of bodies IMO. It's just transporting them there that would be risky I suppose.

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I think the timeline informs us that the perp had a number of weeks/months to dispose of the bodies. They disappeared a few months before actually being reported by family as missing persons. The ocean is the ultimate leveller. I concur that a local living close by with access to a boat can't be rule out as a potential perp. A few bodybags in the hull of a boat would suffice getting them out onto the water without much notice. Also standard procedure for a very early morning jaunt before daybreak. Therefore the perp would need to have some sort of experience in the fishing industry. I guess there's only trout and marron farms down at Nannup.

So much time to plan – I bet the perp is pretty confident that they'll never be found if the Nannup four did go out on a boat. IIRC SK/GF did mention he had a way to leave the county. Can we rule out that a local convinced him to get on his boat?

 

[petedavo.au]

I think the timeline informs us that the perp had a number of weeks/months to dispose of the bodies. They disappeared a few months before actually being reported by family as missing persons. The ocean is the ultimate leveller. I concur that a local living close by with access to a boat can't be rule out as a potential perp. A few bodybags in the hull of a boat would suffice getting them out onto the water without much notice. Also standard procedure for a very early morning jaunt before daybreak. Therefore the perp would need to have some sort of experience in the fishing industry. I guess there's only trout and marron farms down at Nannup.

So much time to plan – I bet the perp is pretty confident that they'll never be found if the Nannup four did go out on a boat. IIRC SK/GF did mention he had a way to leave the county. Can we rule out that a local convinced him to get on his boat?

Same person of interest had vast experience in ocean fishing, as well as being a Trout fishing guide, amongst other occupations, as discussed earlier. http://www.sportfishworld.com/sfwboard/viewtopic.php?p=2518&sid=a85f417db0ce2878c9765d5179d42f8c

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[pauldking]

Same person of interest had vast experience in ocean fishing, as well as being a Trout fishing guide, amongst other occupations, as discussed earlier. http://www.sportfishworld.com/sfwboard/viewtopic.php?p=2518&sid=a85f417db0ce2878c9765d5179d42f8c

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Would that be failed fishing venture? Sometimes jumping on a boat is like dancing with a gorilla. It only stops when it wants to.


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[petedavo.au]

Would that be failed fishing venture? Sometimes jumping on a boat is like dancing with a gorilla. It only stops when it wants to.


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Can only go upon what assertions are being made within those forums unfortunately. There is something that suggests that he only posts when inebriated, but I find that to be unlikely.
IE
http://www.thehulltruth.com/4012383-post11.html

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[Froglady]

So why is this POI who is a prolific forum user and banned multiple times on different sites never contributed to the Leela thread? That strikes me as extremely suspicious behavior given he lives at Nannup and had run ins with the missing person. I think clearly this is an issue for WAPOL. I hope they don't role their eyes when they hear his name. They need to kick him out of the tent.


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Oh I think he has. Just words things a little better than on ther sites

 

[Froglady]

Has his finger in lots of pies that one lol

 

[watergirl62]

Possibility of Gary resurfacing has been explored and websites are still being surveilled.

So I have a couple of questions to kick it off.
Who was Margaret and what happened to her fortune?
Why was a cult buster and private detective on this case, when did they start and were they employed?
Who else committed suicide and was it long before 2007?
Who else gave him money?
Did he cause the demise of esoteric publishing?

Who was the ex wife and where is she now?


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Yeah, he was always working the ladies...

Margaret? is my first thought, but I think she was pretty tight with Jean - he had mentioned her calling in one of the letters. I am guessing he burned that bridge when Jean called him out, but maybe he had other stashes of $$ to go with his false IDs.

But, Christina... She tells us that some were still devoted despite all of his bad press. Or maybe she didn't know a thing about it. Either way, that door remains open.

Someone said he had told them he had the means to disappear. I read that as private-secret means that nobody knew about? Who would he trust enough to say that to? Nobody. Perhaps another red herring, but maybe not.

Ex-wifey?

Some unknown woman who's name has never been out there in the ghost wormholes?

 

[watergirl62]

Who would want to kill a little girl, a lovely mum and an innocent third party? Clearly a psychopath with no remorse. Perhaps the perp arranged others to do it. Maybe there were crew with dodgy pasts that were out of work and available to ruthlessly hunt three or four people down in a forest like pigs. We may never get to the bottom of this mystery. IMHO we need the perp to confess. If that perp is Gary we still need to find him as well.

Speaking of dodgy crew...the part in the Nannup tiger speil about the headless roos and the fish and chips shop? I need to go re-read that.

 

[watergirl62]

There's appears to be one former Nannup local who always seems to get his name in the newspaper
Apparently described as a media consultant?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2003-10-05/wa-river-deaths-prompt-calls-for-safe-crossing/1488148
http://www.abc.net.au/stateline/wa/content/2006/s1776901.htm
https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/death-dog-hunts-for-missing-hayley-ng-ya-163645
In fact, that very same person did contact channel seven on 5th of December 2015.
[video=twitter;673027996899393536]https://twitter.com/ShannLow/status/673027996899393536[/video]

Interesting link re the Yarragadee aquifer and the Blackwood river. Now I may need to dig a bit about the geology,etc. This case!!

Several of those statements don't make sense but that's pretty normal with water politics. I am a hydrogeologist. It costs a lot of money to move the water but desal isn't cheap either although membrane tech is getting better. The statements about the trees and the river and the Yaragadee depend on the the dynamics of the system, not fear. Drought is scary as hell, we just went through our drought of record. However, placing municipal needs ahead of rural needs and environmental flows makes no sense if there are no conservation measures in place in Perth. Our POI sounded rather reasonable to me when if based on fear not science. But Environmental Consultant? Idk about that but he might be a good person to have on the local water board.

A bit OT there sorry lol

 

[petedavo.au]

Back before and during 2007 there was a lot of anti logging protesting in Helms Block. The town might of been sharply divided between those that made a living off the forest and conservation activists. Emotions run high and expressing the wrong opinion in a fish n chip shop could get one in a lot of hot water I suppose. No one's ever been murdered over it though, as far as I know, but fair to say it might be dangerous territory to talk about down there. And the last thing Simon would need would be for his cult to be mistaken for "greenies" which might lead to threats & harassment and a need to get out of town fast

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-...parliament-make-it-tougher-on-protest/6304608

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-...gging-protester-arrested-in-one-month/6004936

 

[watergirl62]

Also love to see his body of work on the Dodd case. Three years? I can tell you some of the early posts on the Dodd thread are the most bizarre ideas I've read on WS.

Linking.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227644



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[petedavo.au]

Linking.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227644



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Not the only one
http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=144785

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