Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #17

[Pandit]

His gym records would be handy to have, if he was weight training the name of his partner / who was spotting him might also be good for some info.

That photo was dated 2009 - it shows he's been working out and has upper body muscle similar to the MM in JRs video.

During the 1980s/1990s there was a very popular gym in Maddington called St Patrick's. It was on the Albany Hwy. Possibly the closest one to Huntingdale.

 

[Annalise]

His gym records would be handy to have, if he was weight training the name of his partner / who was spotting him might also be good for some info.

Hi Pandit - maybe that's where he met CGE. I read somewhere she had been a top athlete. I think she may have been a trainer. Could she have been a personal trainer? MOO

 

[Pandit]

Gerard Ross was last seen walking along the Rockingham Foreshore, 800 metres from the house he was staying at with family in Kent Street.

He was found on the side of a track in (Baldivis?) pine plantation not far from a munitions plant in Stake Hill Road, Karnup. Also, not very far from where one of the girls was found.

This track has an eerily familiar look to it.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-17/gerard-ross-murder-cold-case-timeline/8187904

Can someone please tell me the exact location where Gerard Ross was:
a) abducted
b) found?
TIA

 

[Canning Vale]

<modsnip>I'm looking for any information on Kerry Turner's brother. Also information on the man convicted of manslaughter for injecting her brother with drugs. Thought there could be a connection there. I can only find how her brother died and that a man was convicted in 1985. No more details. MOO

I think this is the cemetery record for Kerry's brother - James Hylton Turner &#8211; aged 18 &#8211; Bickley &#8211; Death 29/7/1985
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=GB00003724

Kerry Turner&#8217;s &#8211; Community News Article
http://www.communitynews.com.au/gua...der-police-family-not-giving-catching-killer/

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[Canning Vale]

Yes! Either hiding in her car or waiting nearby and followed her. MOO

As I pointed out beforehand, the little side windows would have been fairly easy to jiggle open. Also, the plastic bag containing the uniform may have been dropped outside the car - found by someone in the morning who then took it and left it at the kebab shop.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

When JC left the Parmelia, was the perpetrator already waiting for her inside her car?????


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JC: Perpetrator had to be waiting in her car. Or she stopped off somewhere on way home.

Or she got home and was abducted from home. But then why would perp dump car in Cott beach? Leighton beach would be closer


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[Annalise]

As I pointed out beforehand, the little side windows would have been fairly easy to jiggle open. Also, the plastic bag containing the uniform may have been dropped outside the car - found by someone in the morning who then took it and left it at the kebab shop.

Hi CV - yes you did say that. You could be right. It's easy enough to hide in the back seat of a car. Just cover up with a dark coloured blanket or wear dark clothing. Certainly makes sense. MOO

 

[Annalise]

JC: Perpetrator had to be waiting in her car. Or she stopped off somewhere on way home.

Or she got home and was abducted from home. But then why would perp dump car in Cott beach? Leighton beach would be closer


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Hi Spooks - maybe he had parked his car at Cottesloe and changed cars leaving Julie's there. Then maybe some drunk guys thought they would push her car into the sea. MOO

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Hi Spooks - maybe he had parked his car at Cottesloe and changed cars leaving Julie's there. Then maybe some drunk guys thought they would push her car into the sea. MOO

Yes drunk group of ppl could over turn a car. But all the way into ocean?

Was key in car confirmed?


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[Annalise]

I think this is the cemetery record for Kerry's brother - James Hylton Turner &#8211; aged 18 &#8211; Bickley &#8211; Death 29/7/1985
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=GB00003724

Kerry Turner&#8217;s &#8211; Community News Article
http://www.communitynews.com.au/gua...der-police-family-not-giving-catching-killer/

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Hi CV - thanks for that. Those poor people still grieving their children's deaths. It's heartbreaking.
One thing I noticed in the article was that Kerry left her friend and was making her own way home. Seems to be a common theme in a lot of disappearances. MOO

 

[MrsNathanDrake]

...... if I was accused of something I was innocent of and I was locked up I’d be screaming & shouting and creating a hell of a ***** storm. BRE has been strangely quiet, however I still have an open mind.....

Just look at the case of Alan Staines from earlier this year. No-one believed he was innocent of a burglary because the cops had his DNA, he ended up pleading guilty just to avoid jail, 12yrs later the cops admit he wasn't involved, it was actually someone else's DNA.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

SK: BTK Denis Radar
I watched YouTube vid of his confession for 10 murders.
Here are some of the SK behaviours he described:
- Owning a 'Hit Kit' which was a briefcase containing the items he needed to commit the crimes.
- Hit Kit usually consisted of various items like guns, rope, bags for covering their heads, and props.
- He used props like a fake 'telephone line testing machine' when he entered a home after telling the female home owner he was working for the telephone company testing the phone lines.
- Radar bought special clothes he called his 'Hit Clothes', which were clothing items that were markedly different to his normal attire.
- He discarded the Hit Clothes after each crime.
- Radar described different stages of serial killer activity.
- 1st stage was Trolling for victims.
- Radar spent a lot of time trolling for potential victims. IIRC weeks or months.
- Trolling involved driving around sussing out homes and victims that would suit his crimes.
- 2nd stage was Stalking. Once Radar decided on a victim, he attempted to find out about them.
- He watched them to learn their schedules, where and when they moved about, how many family members they had or close friends etc. He even looked in their letter boxes to learn their names.
- Stalking helped him decide when to commit the crime to avoid detection.
- Radar called potential victims 'Projects'.
- Radar didn't implicitly state this, but next stage was buying his HIt Clothes and getting his Hit Kit ready.
- Some crimes were committed without his Hit Kit (IIRC), as sometimes he needed to improvise on the spot.
- Final stage was the crime.
- Sometimes he broke into the house and waited for the victim to get home.
- Another time he hid in the house until visitors left and the female victim was alone.
- Sometimes he lied his way in pretending to be someone he was not.
- He killed a whole family, 2 parents, 2 kids. But mostly had female victims.
- He used a gun to control victims.
- He feigned caring, offering victims glasses of water and asking if they were okay or needed anything.
- Radar told lies to victims, like saying he would rape them when he didn't rape them, or lying that he wouldn't harm them and then he strangled them.
- Radar was a sadist and enjoyed watching victims die, and listening to their screams when other members of their family were being attacked.
- Radar got sexual excitement from killing and masturbated over the victims and crimes, but never raped victims.
- Family members were tied up and usually put in separate rooms.
- Radar took Polaroid photos of deceased victims in various positions while they were still tied up. He even tied up some victims post-mortem just for the photos.
- He attempted to clean up crime scened before leaving, but sometimes he got interrupted and had to bail.
- He took trophies, but not always. He didn't take trophies if he got interrupted.



[video]https://youtu.be/jj5zeSDlqa0[/video]

Edit: I didn't take notes while watching the vid, so I hope what i've written here is fairly accurate.

BIG OOPS!
Forgot some main points:
- BTK liked to write letters to the police about his crimes. Taunting LE.
- BTK wanted the publicity and asked police to publish info about his crimes in the newspapers.
- He went quiet for 20 years, then sent a photocopy of polaroid photos of a deceased victim and her drivers license, from an unsolved cold case murder (that he committed decades earlier) to the police.

 

[petedavo.au]

South Perth where Cheryl lived is fairly close to Manning .....

The domestic airport had a hotel and that’s fairly close to Kewdale. There’s been two incidents, where the victim’s vehicle has been located within the airport’s car park. There was the garage which opened all night too.

1986 - 25 or 26 May - Cheryl Renwick - aged 33 - Cheryl lived in a South Perth Unit, and worked in North Perth. Cheryl’s car was found at the domestic airport car park, but she didn’t leave the state. thewest

1994 - 12 Jan - Nicola La Falce (male) – aged 38 - Nicola was last seen leaving a a pizza shop in Wembley. He was driving a blue ford courier – later located at Perth domestic airport. MP

(Wembley to North Perth - 5kms)

Wasn't BRE living in Osborne Park with his first wife before buying Fountain Way?

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[petedavo.au]

Can someone please tell me the exact location where Gerard Ross was:
a) abducted
b) found?
TIA

a) Kent St, Rockingham.
b) Stakehill Rd , Baldivis.
There was a previous murder in the street on someone's front lawn. Coincidentally that was the same address as the suspect with the model aeroplane collection.

http://wp.me/p3NAws-9Z

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[petedavo.au]

For some strange reason, in my mind I keep linking KT and JC.
Not sure why.

Something about Kerry Turner having a blue car come up behind her fast and then stopping (after which she got in) makes me think of the guy who chased Julie Cutler on Stirling Highway. Although I don't know what colour the car that followed Julie was. MOO

Hi Spooks - that's weird - so do I[emoji33]

That's weird, because every time I think about this car thing it keeps reminding me of an incident on Kwinana Freeway that ended at the Fremantle Police Station involving a Blue Gemini.

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[petedavo.au]

Hi CV - yes you did say that. You could be right. It's easy enough to hide in the back seat of a car. Just cover up with a dark coloured blanket or wear dark clothing. Certainly makes sense. MOO

Hmm. Small car. Not easy to hide in, unless you take out the bottom back seat, stick it in the boot, and then hide where the back seat bottom was with a blanket over you, I suppose.

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[meticulously]

Could S.C from Jolimont be in this bushland. Pretty close to her home. I see a lot of rubbish posted in the last 15 or more pages. Weather patterns won't find J.C. Searches will, but not for the lazy ones on here..

Please dont underestimate the importance of ocean weather forecasting.

Weather info is also important for entomologists who estimate time of death due to insect activity , decay rates and that includes weather temperatures.

Some history that shows the serious nature of this knowledge ;

Quotes :
"His early work forecasting wave patterns gave Allied forces a tactical advantage during World War II.
His expertise in ocean physics and acoustics gave the U.S. military the edge in submarine warfare through the Cold War."

"In 1942, worked with Scripps Oceanography Director Harold Sverdrup and the Pentagon on the prediction of surf conditions in support of planned allied amphibious landings in North Africa.
They developed a wave prediction method that was applied successfully to an allied landing in Oran, North Africa.
This wave prediction method would become the foundation for wave forecasts now made daily worldwide."

https://scripps.ucsd.edu/symposiums/munk100/about/
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"Their methods were so successful that the Allied forces used these to predict wave conditions for the D-Day landings at Normandy.
Based on those predictions, General Eisenhower delayed the operation, the largest naval invasion in history, until June 6, 1944.
Undoubtedly, Munk’s research saved thousands of Allied lives and helped bring about the end of World War II."

https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/s...-walter-munk-inventor-surf-forecast-turns-100
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"During World War II,*Walter Munk and his colleagues*developed several surf forecasting techniques that were used by the Allies for the legendary amphibious landings in the Normandy (D-Day), North Africa, and in the Pacific War battles.
Munk was particularly angry with Germany because Hitler had annexed his country of birth, and so he became an US citizen and decided to join the war effort."

https://www.surfertoday.com/surfing/13961-walter-munk-the-father-of-surf-forecasting-hits-100
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"During World War II, Munk and Harald U. Sverdrup, then director of Scripps, developed a system for forecasting breakers and surf on beaches, a technique of crucial importance in military amphibious landings.
It was widely applied in the Pacific and Atlantic theaters of war, and it correctly predicted high but manageable waves for the Normandy invasion."

http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/the-vetlesen-prize/past-recipients/walter-h-munk
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"I had already done some work on this subject. I later learned that (the United States) planned an amphibious landing in northwest Africa.
It was the first Allied initiative of the war. Up until then, we were responding to German initiatives.
So it was very important that we had success.

We went down to South Carolina to watch the practice exercise.
They were using LCVPs (landing craft vehicle personnel).
Whenever the LCVPs turned into the breakers — and the waves got above about five feet — the boats would broach and turn parallel to shore.
Waves would break into them.
People would get hurt.
They called it a day and said we’ll continue the practice landing when things calm down a little.

I went back and tried to find information about wave heights in northwest Africa.
I found that at certain times of year, the waves exceeded six feet.
I thought that a catastrophe was about to happen.
The only way to do something was to learn to predict waves, then pick two good days for a landing.
That had not been done.
There had never been a wave-prediction attempt.

In my agony, I called Sverdrup and said, “Could you please come help?” He had a global reputation. People would listen.

We spent about a month together thinking about how to predict waves.
We ended up doing a prediction for the northwest Africa landing using a very, very crude method.
It turned out to be a successful prediction.

We then got permission to start a wave prediction school here at Scripps. Every month, we’d get about a dozen officers who’d come work with us so that they could do predictions.
Those 100 or so students ended up predicting landings, mostly in the Pacific and mostly with success.

Question:*Where were you when the D-Day landings occurred at Normandy?

Answer:*I was at Scripps and was not told of the landings. But two of our students helped predict the waves, and did a very good job.

Their first prediction was that the waves would be incredibly high, and that a landing would be impossible.
Gen. (Dwight) Eisenhower postponed the landing 24 hours.
The next prediction said the surf would still be rough, but that a landing was possible. Eisenhower decided to go for it because he didn’t want to lose the element of surprise."

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...raphy-scripps-navy-tides-2016jul01-story.html
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This relates to the mystery of JCs car being in the ocean imo .

 

[Pandit]

This article points to vital clues that were missed. With Ciara it was an "item" that was overlooked, I could take a guess at what that might be but just a guess.

Just as disturbing is the CSK "handled" the KK rape victim's license, so he's very interested in who his victims are. (refer to keeping their handbags?) I realise it's been reported the KK rapist didn't speak throughout a prolonged attack but I have to wonder if he did at the end threatening her or her family with the knowledge he knew where she lived and had all her personal details. Or if he indicated it to her.

How many others could he have threatened after an attack that have been too scared to come forward? I'm not buying for one second that the Karrakatta rape in all it's efficiency, was his first abduction/rape. It wasn't good policing that eventually saw a charge but advances in science he may not have been able to anticipate. This attack should have indicated that there was a very, very dangerous sexual predator stalking the Claremont area.

And given his interest in his victims personal details, as Don Spiers had thought could it have been the CSK who was calling the Spiers household?

The Karrakatta rape victim lived, there could be more out there that did because they had a hood over their heads. Could it mean the reason the girls died was because they saw his face and could identify him?

His liberty more important than their lives.

[FONT=&quot]The western suburbs paper, which has followed the case closely for 20 years, yesterday reported that the missed leads included clues left on the driver’s licence of a 17-year-old girl who was abducted and raped in 1995, a crime which police now believe was committed by the same offender.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]They also included car upholstery samples recovered from the body of second murder victim Jane Rimmer sent to the wrong Chemistry Centre department in 1996 and lost, and a “critical item” overlooked from the body of third victim Ciara Glennon.

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/vital-clues-missed-in-hunt-for-claremont-serial-killer-ng-b88342709z[/FONT]

There's also DNA in hair, sweat, blood, skin cells and saliva too. Evidently there's only a small amount needed. There was DNA on CG, so something was there, we just don't know what.

 

[Pandit]

I haven't seen it confirmed but could easily have fallen out of the ignition if they weren't and buried in inches of sand.

Reason why I think the keys were in it is because the police didn't indicate the column had been broken into, so it hadn't been hotwired. Yet the ignition was on. No pointers either that the steering had locked, which they do off straight if the car was in neutral and rolling/being pushed. So, the police could probably dismiss pranksters thinking it would be hilarious to push it into the sea. No indication either of what gear the car was in.

Yes drunk group of ppl could over turn a car. But all the way into ocean?

Was key in car confirmed?


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[Canning Vale]

Wasn't BRE living in Osborne Park with his first wife before buying Fountain Way?

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PD,

According to the spreadsheet compiled by either Grok, Sutton or Spinnaker&#8230;

1990 EC and BRE Relationship During 1990s
1991 BRE & EC Living Albert St Osborne Park
1991 April - 10 Fountain Way Huntingdale Purchase
BRE & ECE Married
1991 15 May - BRE on Madora Bay EROLL