GUILTY Australia - Jamie Gao, 20, murdered, Padstow, NSW, 20 May 2014

[FigTree]

Is anyone else asking himself why the public has been shown the CCTV of Arab Rd but so far none of the CCTV in front of the storage unit?

Interesting thought.
:seeya:

 

[FigTree]

From my understanding: The 2 Asian guys were with Jamie in his car. Jamie then got in the White car with GM leaving the 2 Asian guys with his car - Dodger followed GM and Jamie in the silver car. They went to the Storage unit 3 went in 2 came out.

So Gao, who had contact with McNamara by phone prior to them meeting, gets into a car (I assume) he knows - (he walked straight to McNamara's car in the driveway). Goes off with McNamara - possibly thinking that there is only one person he is dealing with.
RR follows in his car.

So far - only by msm feed - if the CCTV wasn't available to include RR, this would imply McNamara was the contact, the pick-up, the remover of the body (as it was in his car), the dumper of the body (as it was in his boat).
(JMO) Tells me RR shot Gao.

msm said the storage unit owner wasn't connected to the crime - it didnt say the storage unit owner was not connected the those involved.
Who's storage unit was it?

And who owned the gun?
Where is the gun?

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[Mrs G Norris]

Can I just add to the confusion? I thought Jamie was still wrapped in the surfboard bag and tarp when recovered, but a surfboard was collected as evidence from McNamara's home?

Also so now there are two white cars (one each) and a silver car (Rogerson) and a blue car (McNamara) .. I thought there was only one white car for McN?

Yes, I agree RR did the shooting and JG didn't expect to see him there JMO.

 

[Amee]

Oh boy Im getting confused as well. I thought Jamie white car, GM white car and blue car and RR silver car.

I also read it as THE surfboard bag found at NM's as being the one they transported Jamie in. I also wonder if the plastic sheeting was also wrapped around Jamie under the tarp?
But Im not very certain of anything anymore with this lot! The way Ive been interpreting MSM lately who knows lol

Jamie Gao twice in the chest before placing his body in a silver surfboard bag in a rented storage room,

loaded Mr Gao's body wrapped in the surfboard bag and blue tarpaulin into the car.

Officers later seized the surfboard bag from McNamara's Cronulla home as well as clothing he was allegedly wearing in the security footage.

Mr Gao, wrapped in a blue tarp with ropes and chains off Cronulla beach

Read more at http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national...efore-dumping-body-at-sea#EX6wyq55e5lSuabD.99

http://www.news.com.au/national/jam...-across-the-city/story-fncynjr2-1226932430754

Is it wine o'clock yet?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Talked to a friend today who knows a few 'colorful characters' from Sydney and he says Rogerson will be looked after in jail, all the other crims will love him because he's 'always been bent' and that there will be guys in there looking after him because there'll all be scared he will take a deal so will want to 'keep him sweet' and his debts (currently standing at the wholesale value of 3kg worth of meth) will be waiting for him when he gets out. Not sure what that means if he's not coming out, and didn't have time to ask him his thoughts in regards to Jamie doing a deal on his own with no backup.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I'm not sure if this has been posted -

RR tells a good story, definitely an interesting character, but obviously crooked to the bone. He says "he loved being a detective and fitted in nicely", pfft. :facepalm: He's "critical of today's police, in the old days people feared the police, today it's all moddle coddle and bs, no loyalty and run by yes men."

He wants "to be remembered for the good things he did, and he did plenty." haha


The Life and Times of Roger Rogerson - Part 1

http://www.smh.com.au/tv/crime/show/the-life-and-times-of-roger-rogerson/life-and-times-of-roger-rogerson--part-1-4311802.html


The Life and Times of Roger Rogerson - Part 2

http://www.smh.com.au/tv/Crime/show/The-Life-and-Times-of-Roger-Rogerson/The-Life-and-Times-of-Roger-Rogerson--Part-2-4311804.html

 

[sleepinoz]

Oh boy Im getting confused as well. I thought Jamie white car, GM white car and blue car and RR silver car.

I also read it as THE surfboard bag found at NM's as being the one they transported Jamie in. I also wonder if the plastic sheeting was also wrapped around Jamie under the tarp?
But Im not very certain of anything anymore with this lot! The way Ive been interpreting MSM lately who knows lol

Jamie Gao twice in the chest before placing his body in a silver surfboard bag in a rented storage room,

loaded Mr Gao's body wrapped in the surfboard bag and blue tarpaulin into the car.

Officers later seized the surfboard bag from McNamara's Cronulla home as well as clothing he was allegedly wearing in the security footage.

Mr Gao, wrapped in a blue tarp with ropes and chains off Cronulla beach

Read more at http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national...efore-dumping-body-at-sea#EX6wyq55e5lSuabD.99

http://www.news.com.au/national/jam...-across-the-city/story-fncynjr2-1226932430754

Is it wine o'clock yet?

BBM - Well past me thinks

 

[FigTree]

Talked to a friend today who knows a few 'colorful characters' from Sydney and he says Rogerson will be looked after in jail, all the other crims will love him because he's 'always been bent' and that there will be guys in there looking after him because there'll all be scared he will take a deal so will want to 'keep him sweet' and his debts (currently standing at the wholesale value of 3kg worth of meth) will be waiting for him when he gets out. Not sure what that means if he's not coming out, and didn't have time to ask him his thoughts in regards to Jamie doing a deal on his own with no backup.

Throwing Rogerson in jail is about the same as having a welcome home party.
I'm sure he'll do nothing more than make new friends and say hello to some old ones.:facepalm:

 

[Ausgirl]

msm said the storage unit owner wasn't connected to the crime - it didnt say the storage unit owner was not connected the those involved.

Somebody's wife?

 

[FigTree]

RR's FB Page - Last post December 2009
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Roger-Rogerson/158145721237

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[sleepinoz]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ie-gao-for-years/story-fni0cx4q-1226938490233

Police kept an eye on Jamie Gao for years

DESPITE his image as a straight-A student, murder victim Jamie Gao had been in the sights of federal police as a suspected drug importer for years, it can be revealed.

The clean-cut 20-year-old UTS business student had been a ‘person of interest’ since 2011. Federal officers had even provided a 20-page document to NSW authorities detailing his activities.

That Gao was able to obtrain 3kg of ice signals he was a highly ranked and trusted member of the drug syndicate, believed to be a Hong Kong-based Asian organised crime group.

 

[sleepinoz]

Pic's from tomorrows Sunday Tele:

 

[Mrs G Norris]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ie-gao-for-years/story-fni0cx4q-1226938490233

Police kept an eye on Jamie Gao for years

DESPITE his image as a straight-A student, murder victim Jamie Gao had been in the sights of federal police as a suspected drug importer for years, it can be revealed.

The clean-cut 20-year-old UTS business student had been a ‘person of interest’ since 2011. Federal officers had even provided a 20-page document to NSW authorities detailing his activities.

That Gao was able to obtrain 3kg of ice signals he was a highly ranked and trusted member of the drug syndicate, believed to be a Hong Kong-based Asian organised crime group.

OK that's interesting considering the fact there is a tiling business connected to his family. He's a very young man to become involved in such a lucrative and dangerous business isn't he? The Jamie myth has now been effectively shot down.

 

[IBR]

IBR, I would assume it's to do with evidence crucial to the case or something, maybe stuff that's to be used in court?

What are your own thoughts on it?

I'm starting to wonder whether at least part of the story might be made up by crooks inside the police force to pay back GM and to make him quiet forever. I mean, I'm all new to WS and I'm not experienced at all but all the 'facts' about the crime we are given by the media just fit too nicely together to be true. On the other hand, they suggest that two former seasoned cops, that couldn't be more different from each other, all of a sudden became partners in a debt collecting business and then of a drug deal and murder that has been conducted with such an obvious stupidity that it's hair raising.

I wouldn't be surprised if, eventually, RR would walk away as a free man while GM would stay in prison for the biggest part of the rest of his life.

 

[FigTree]

Daily Telegraph - 31st May 2014. Read More:
Police kept an eye on Jamie Gao for years

“The money always comes to the drugs,” an experienced detective said. “The one with the drugs has the power; you would want to see the money before you show the gear — then you do the deal. But you never let the drugs out of your sight.”
It is clear Gao trusted who he was dealing with.

Yes, but how far along the chain was this deal?


Police kept an eye on Jamie Gao for years...
(Related to the heading) - So were they watching Gao that day?
Im still wondering about the video that was slated as being CCTV -
and there has been comment in MSN that Gao was working for the Australian Crime Commission - but that was denied


Daily Telegraph. 29 05 2014. Read More:

The Australian Crime Commission also took the unprecedented step late yesterday of issuing a statement to quash speculation sparked by a Channel Ten report that detectives were on the trail of Rogerson and McNamara so quickly after Mr Gao’s disappearance because the university student was working undercover.
“In light of the incorrect assertions in the media in relation to Mr Gao and growing public speculation, I am taking the unusual step of confirming that Mr Gao was not an informant for the Australian Crime Commission,” the statement said.
Senior officers in both NSW police and NSW Crime commission have also said the young man was not working for either organisation.

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[Mrs G Norris]

So the minute Jamie entered the storage shed and asked to see the money he was killed most likely. Yes, he must have trusted them, so we can assume a number of deals had gone down in the past, perhaps with ever increasing amounts. Maybe it was simply Jamie's practices that marked him for death, ie that he was happy to go alone to a secluded area with the drugs. Maybe all it took was a past deal where one of these cronies said 'you know we could have shot him then and taken the drugs without paying and nobody would have known' to sew the seeds of the worst planned crime in history.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Just twigged as to why Jamie left his phone in the car (which I found odd) .. as an experienced drug dealer, he'd know not to take a device with him to a drug deal which can be used as a listening device and a GPS tracker, ie he was protecting his own ar$e from potential future prosecution, if police were in his phone, he can say him and his mates were just buying cold cuts.

 

[FigTree]

Hong Kong News. Read More

Hong Kong men sought after Sydney drug deal ends in death of Jamie Gao

Australian media reports have suggested that the men supplied the drugs to Gao, whose mother was holidaying in Hong Kong at the time of his death.

According to UN data, most major shipments of methamphetamine to Australia originate in Guangdong, where mainland and Hong Kong organised crime groups dominate the illicit drugs market.

"Given that it was Ice, it is highly likely that it was sourced from your neck of the woods," said a source from Australian police circles.

"The fact that this recent investigation involved the three big Australian federal law-enforcement agencies - the Australian Crime Commission [ACC], the Australian Federal Police and Customs - indicates the seized drugs were part of a recent importation. Although several countries could easily be nominated, the involvement of Hong Kong-based criminals is a likely source."

So there were/are 3 crime agencies following these particular drugs...

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[Mrs G Norris]

According to authorities, the two Hong Kong men may hold important clues as to why a student with no prior record of drug offences was in possession - and selling - a 3.1kg consignment of methamphetamine.

I guess we can answer this one now, just because he had no prior record, doesn't mean he didn't have a lot of experience .. if it's true that Jamie was the importer, then these guys were HIS staff.

 

[FigTree]

Just twigged as to why Jamie left his phone in the car (which I found odd) .. as an experienced drug dealer, he'd know not to take a device with him to a drug deal which can be used as a listening device and a GPS tracker, ie he was protecting his own ar$e from potential future prosecution, if police were in his phone, he can say him and his mates were just buying cold cuts.

"3kgs of your best chops please"..
"Certainly, that will $3 million. Cash or card?"

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