I think so. I think he originally wanted not guilty to murder, and instead guilty of manslaughter - OPP refused to downgrade to manslaughter, and i think, instead agreed to drop 2 of 3 rape charges so long as he pled guilty to murder.
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I think so. I think he originally wanted not guilty to murder, and instead guilty of manslaughter - OPP refused to downgrade to manslaughter, and i think, instead agreed to drop 2 of 3 rape charges so long as he pled guilty to murder.
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Up for parole: weighing up when to set free
It starts with the arrival of a bulging file of documents in the mail - hundreds of pages detailing the behaviour, psychology and background of men and women serving time in the state's jails.
The five members of the NSW Parole Authority selected for that week's meeting are expected to read every document before reaching a decision that has the potential to affect dozens of lives - whether or not to set a convicted criminal free.
"You couldn't do it full time - it'd muck up your head too much," says Martha Jabour, the sole victim's representative on the NSW Parole Authority. For decades the authority has been quietly working, deciding whether offenders, from petty drug pushers to serial murderers, should be allowed back into the commun-ity, and in what circumstances.
- Sydney Morning Herald
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/8830442/Justice-served-or-is-it
It starts with the arrival of a bulging file of documents in the mail - hundreds of pages detailing the behaviour, psychology and background of men and women serving time in the state's jails.
The five members of the NSW Parole Authority selected for that week's meeting are expected to read every document before reaching a decision that has the potential to affect dozens of lives - whether or not to set a convicted criminal free.
"You couldn't do it full time - it'd muck up your head too much," says Martha Jabour, the sole victim's representative on the NSW Parole Authority. For decades the authority has been quietly working, deciding whether offenders, from petty drug pushers to serial murderers, should be allowed back into the commun-ity, and in what circumstances.
- Sydney Morning Herald
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/8830442/Justice-served-or-is-it
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Thank you for clarifying. I'm interested to hear all your views on this? Im sort of in two minds about it, half of me thinks well yes it saved the family having to suffer though a trial...the other part wants him punished for everything he did. If he had of received the same 15 years for each rape, sentence would be a lot longer.
Plus the evidence was so overwhelming..why let him get away with anything?
Look forward to reading others thoughts on this!
I understand what you mean, Sleuthilicious. He did cooperate which enabled Jill to be found and did stop her family having to go through a trial. I don't agree though.
He has REPEATEDLY hunted down women to rape. This was not his first offence. He has shown despite being 'rehabilitated' and set free that he is unchanged and his crimes escalated to murder. The system did not work for him, his treatment did not work and he should never have been set free. He is a sadistic predator and the prison service could not see that and allowed him to have another chance.
I understand the benefit of having parole as you mentioned but I don't understand it for this type of crime and when the individual has reoffended so many times. Poor Jills family will have to cope with his application for parole, I feel so terrible for them.
He has REPEATEDLY hunted down women to rape. This was not his first offence. He has shown despite being 'rehabilitated' and set free that he is unchanged and his crimes escalated to murder. The system did not work for him, his treatment did not work and he should never have been set free. He is a sadistic predator and the prison service could not see that and allowed him to have another chance.
I understand the benefit of having parole as you mentioned but I don't understand it for this type of crime and when the individual has reoffended so many times. Poor Jills family will have to cope with his application for parole, I feel so terrible for them.
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Seems to be some confusion over the other rape charges, I know I'm still a bit confused anyway. According to a recent Herald Sun article the suppression order was lifted following Bayley's guilty plea to the additional rapes of three separate victims. The below article is the only one I read which even mentioned the other offences, but I can't see why the suppression order would have been lifted if it wasn't the case.
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-...-strangle-fetish/story-fni0ffnk-1226662201379
"Bayley's long history of violent crimes, predominantly against women, can be revealed after a suppression order was lifted following his guilty plea to the rape of a woman in 2000 and two other women in the months before raping and murdering Ms Meagher."
I assume this means the other offences will go straight to sentencing (ie. no trial).
Like others posting here I feel the only outcome even remotely close to some kind of justice would be to have people like Bayley locked away indefinitely. I think the Justice department is basically trying to use the high profile nature of this case to reaffirm the message that entering a guilty plea may result in some leniency, whereas going to trial and being convicted anyway will only result in the key being thrown away.
Makes me wonder though, whether Sarah Cafferkey's killer will be given the same leniency based on this rationale simply for entering an early guilty plea? I would be completely bewildered and dumbfounded if he is not sentenced to life without parole considering the sickening lengths he went to to conceal the crime (plus the similar nature to the murder he was convicted for previously). Somehow I don't think the early guilty plea is going to advantage Steven Hunter.
And though Bayley deserves life without parole (at the very least) for his crimes against Jill Meagher, I think the Justice dept are well aware he won't ever be released with the additional sentencing he's due for the other rapes, and are simply trying to milk the situation to get their message out there regarding entering pleas.
Unless of course there was some "deal" made in exchange for Bayley's guilty pleas, relating to prosecuting the other rape charges? Something along the lines that any additional sentences could be served concurrently? Truly hope that's not possible.
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There is a photo of Jill on the RIP Jill Meagher facebook page, she is standing in between her parents, this is probably the first photo I have seen of Jill that actually shows how small and petite she is.
From this picture is easy to see how AEB over powered her.
From this picture is easy to see how AEB over powered her.
Didn't realise there was another more recent rape in the months before Jill Meagher, thought those subsequent charges were for rapes in 2000 and 2001. He is just revolting, and as Thomas says, nothing is ever enough for what he has done, we can't bring Jill back.
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I think it's strange how the media have generally indicated the attack was over with quickly, yet some of the evidence seems to suggest this was a prolonged and brutal series of rapes which "took place over time", as indicated by Justice Nettle in his sentencing remarks.
There was also the police interview in which detectives put it to Bayley that his phone was still in Brunswick an hour or so after the attack commenced.
I don't quite get why the media haven't come straight out and stated plain and simple that Bayley TORTURED that poor woman over a prolonged period! That this wasn't necessarily over with quickly and mercifully like everyone was hoping. Surely we as the community have a right to know how the sentence measures up to the crime so we can demand fitting punishments?
If they water down the facts and make sadistic monsters out to be less than they actually are, how can we as a community feel satisfied that the justice system is serving us as it should?
I have a feeling it's all been sanitised to limit the degree of public outrage to the fact that it was public officials, people who supposedly should know better, who permitted this twisted creature to be out there freely roaming the streets, completely unsupervised.
And concluding Bayley isn't a psychopath? That's a joke. There's a man who derives great enjoyment and a sense of power from inflicting pain and suffering on his victims and who clearly has an inability to experience empathy. That would make him a prime candidate for such a diagnosis in my un-learned opinion.
Victoria brings in stricter parole laws after Jill Meagher murder
PIA AKERMAN
June 25, 2013 1:19PM
It will now be an offence to breach parole, with penalties of up to three months in jail as well as a fine of up to $4200.
The changes follow a public outcry calling for stricter parole conditions, after it was revealed this month that Adrian Ernest Bayley murdered Melbourne woman Jill Meagher last September while he was on parole for a string of violent rapes.
The Australian. Retrieved 25th of June.
PIA AKERMAN
June 25, 2013 1:19PM
It will now be an offence to breach parole, with penalties of up to three months in jail as well as a fine of up to $4200.
The changes follow a public outcry calling for stricter parole conditions, after it was revealed this month that Adrian Ernest Bayley murdered Melbourne woman Jill Meagher last September while he was on parole for a string of violent rapes.
The Australian. Retrieved 25th of June.
I am amazed that this crime which shocked the country only brought parole reform to Victoria!
It did highlight also the the torture of sex workers. If their complaints of a sadistic ATTACK were more acknowledged, this offender would have had his parole revoked sooner.
It did highlight also the the torture of sex workers. If their complaints of a sadistic ATTACK were more acknowledged, this offender would have had his parole revoked sooner.
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I think it's only a matter of time for parole reform elsewhere Flinders. Seems like parolees implicated in violent crime is becoming a regular theme in the media.
But as others have said it's a bit late once a parolee has already raped or killed someone to conclude they are too much of a danger to the community to be free.
These people should be required to wear tamper proof GPS collars for a start so their movements can be closely monitored, and be subject to restricted movement, curfew and frequent random checks. And if it's too costly or complicated to monitor parolees with the scrutiny all criminal types deserve, easy... don't set them free. Community safety should be the only concern.
This is definitely of concern, because if it is true, while on parole Bayley raped and murdered Jill and raped some other women, too. This is not something I have been aware of, though it tallies with the reports in the msm of Bayley’s parents approaching police to implore them to do something about him because of his concerning behaviour. Obviously those concerns of the parents were well-founded, as, if this report is correct, he raped other women besides Jill at that very time his parents were contacting the system about his behaviour- but that system wasn’t doing anything about Bayley, not even after he knocked someone out and received a 3-month jail sentence as punishment. They did not revoke his parole, because Bayley would have offered something along the following: if I am re-incarcerated, then my g/f cannot pay the rent and must leave, which will ruin my relationship with her; I will lose my job, and then in 3-months’-time I will be back outside facing the world without employment, without a place of residence, and possibly without a partner. So the system let him remain outside while his appeal against the 3-month sentence was taking place. Meanwhile, not only was Bayley knocking other people out, he was raping and murdering Jill- and potentially others, too!!! What a negligent system! Why didn’t they at least geo-monitor him with a gps ankle bracelet while he was appealing his conviction for assault WHILE ON PAROLE!!!!! It is just unbelievable!!!!! (At this point I refer your attention to Derryn Hinch who was monitored with such a device while on house arrest for breaching court ordered suppression in some paedophile case (quite separate to his current ttrial for breaching court ordered suppression relating to none other than he Jill Meagher case itself!). Our system treats the messenger worse than the criminals! Here is an article for reference on Hinch’s travails with justice (for himself and others):
http://www.humanheadline.com.au/Hinch-Says/utter-contempt
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I am not sure what to make of this possibility raised by the Herald Sun that Bayley raped other women leading up to the Jill tragedy; it seems odd to me because if it is true, then surely it would have been trumpeted all across the media that he raped multiple women while on parole. I don’t trust that the system would be honest and open with us about the facts if this were true, however. That is, they would hide the fact that he is responsible for multiple rapes while on parole- after having already served two prior lengthy stints in jail for that very-same crime. It’s just unfathomable if that is the case, which is why the system would have more reason to cover it up. I wonder if the Herald Sun is offering us secret messages (the truth)- where, if approached by the courts/police for publicly revealing suppressed information, the writer could just pass it all off as errors, a simple misstatement, mis-phrasing. This is very worrying. Either
1) the Herald Sun is reporting facts- which appear nowhere else; or,
2) there is a misprint in the article leading to false impressions on the readers part.
Perhaps the article means:
‘…guilty plea to the rape of a woman in 2000 and two other women in the following months before raping and murdering Ms Meagher [over a decade later]’. This is what I had been led to believe. The new interpretation, however, is something I am not familiar with- and I find it extremely disturbing because not only do we have more victims by a perpetrator on parole, but we then have a system covering, suppressing the details to defuse any further public outrage at the systemic failures. I don’t know what to make of all of this. I wonder if all this is truly the case, and whether these matters were revealed in court- with journalists present- such that those present now know, but were barred from publicly reporting the information. This is despicable. It’s a cover-up pure and simple- a further cover-up compounding the original one of the actual details of the Meagher case itself. We haven’t heard anything of the details of that case- I personally have espied at least one disturbing piece of information relating to that aspect- through a discrepancy I noticed between differing reports on the case, which led me to question the whole sanitisation, presentation, stage-managing, crafting and editing of what we’ve heard. We’re all snookered; they’ve kept us in the dark! (This is a link on a topic unrelated to the Jill Meagher case, though it goes to the heart of sanitisation in western media reporting of crime and war: http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4771612.html)
Remember the purple-hoodie bike-path flasher? Perhaps his parents identified him in those attacks and alerted the cops to that behaviour as being of concern. That makes sense. I remember there was talk of the purple-hoodie guy in these forums, though I cannot remember what was concluded about the matter. It wouldn’t surprise me if bayley was flashing- his parents found out about it and approached the police- the police in turn approached the parole board whereon they, true to form, did what is their essence: nothing. Bayley then went on to rape and at least kill Jill (and there might be more crimes suppressed). In the fallout, the parole board/judiciary did what they seem to do best: cover up their mistakes and inaction which lead to criminal harm wrought on the public. Talk about the wolves guarding the henhouse! But, here, in what might be an error in reporting, the Herald Sun might instead just be giving us the unvarnished truth.
That the public are questioning the system- that it's even remotely plausible to a member of the public's mind the system could be covering anything up- is nothing but a reflection on the appalling record of the system! The trust is gone!!!
Thank you Paulie for your post. I am just wondering if the SMH report the story in different ways?
The Sydney Morning Herald - Emotions high on paroles and pleas, but system works
http://m.smh.com.au/comment/emotions-high-on-paroles-and-pleas-but-system-works-20130620-2olpr.html
The Sydney Morning Herald - Emotions high on paroles and pleas, but system works
http://m.smh.com.au/comment/emotions-high-on-paroles-and-pleas-but-system-works-20130620-2olpr.html
i did not know that cretin was still in brunswick one hour post the footage of them together. Disgusting.
This will still make no difference if the breach of the parole mean another person is raped or worse, murdered, as jill was. It's not just a parole issue, sentencing, e.g. life if you have previously committed 21 rapes (AEB) or life if you have murdered by stabbing someone multiple times (SJHunter), parole shouldn't even come into it. If these two were still sentenced as they should have been, both girls would be alive.
A GANG rapist who took part in a series of sickening, sexual assaults which caused national outrage is being groomed for jail release.
Mohamed Sanoussi was a member of the notorious Skaf gang which went on a four-week rampage of sexual assault before the Sydney Olympics 2000.
A prison source has told news.com.au that Sanoussi is in a minimum security wing of Sydney's Long Bay Jail in Sydney on a pre-release program called Ngara Nura and has already qualified for weekend release into the community.
Sanoussi could be back into the community in as little as 29 days.
One of the victims was raped 25 times by a total of 14 men at Bankstown, in Sydney's west, in an ordeal that lasted six hours, during which the attackers called her an "Aussie Pig" and told her she would be raped "Leb-style".
Two 16-year-old girls were raped repeatedly over five hours and told "you deserve it because you're Australian".
Victims of Crime Assistance League campaigner Howard Brown said the current parole system may be insufficient to properly supervise Sanoussi on his release.
http://mobile.news.com.au/national-...for-jail-release/story-fncynjr2-1226671333856
Mohamed Sanoussi was a member of the notorious Skaf gang which went on a four-week rampage of sexual assault before the Sydney Olympics 2000.
A prison source has told news.com.au that Sanoussi is in a minimum security wing of Sydney's Long Bay Jail in Sydney on a pre-release program called Ngara Nura and has already qualified for weekend release into the community.
Sanoussi could be back into the community in as little as 29 days.
One of the victims was raped 25 times by a total of 14 men at Bankstown, in Sydney's west, in an ordeal that lasted six hours, during which the attackers called her an "Aussie Pig" and told her she would be raped "Leb-style".
Two 16-year-old girls were raped repeatedly over five hours and told "you deserve it because you're Australian".
Victims of Crime Assistance League campaigner Howard Brown said the current parole system may be insufficient to properly supervise Sanoussi on his release.
http://mobile.news.com.au/national-...for-jail-release/story-fncynjr2-1226671333856
No concerns about sex offenders in NSW
June 28, 2013, 1:43 pm
AAP
A review by the NSW government has found there's no ground for any major concerns about high risk sex offenders who are currently on parole in the state.
There are no "significant concerns" about high risk sex offenders currently on parole in NSW, a review has found.
It was carried out after a convicted murderer on parole allegedly tried to rape and kill a Sydney woman last week.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest...cerns-about-sex-offenders-in-nsw/?cmp=twitter
June 28, 2013, 1:43 pm
AAP
A review by the NSW government has found there's no ground for any major concerns about high risk sex offenders who are currently on parole in the state.
There are no "significant concerns" about high risk sex offenders currently on parole in NSW, a review has found.
It was carried out after a convicted murderer on parole allegedly tried to rape and kill a Sydney woman last week.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest...cerns-about-sex-offenders-in-nsw/?cmp=twitter
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Gosh I feel that that review is a whole load of bs ( hope I can say that!!)
How can they say that in light of recent events... oh wait we will hide behind the word "major concerns" however if something were to happen, no doubt someone will come forward stating there were "some concerns" how outrageous.
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The parole board is using FOI legislation to keep information from the government. Internal working documents are exempt under the FOI Act, so anything that is called 'internal working document' is able to be withheld and not subject to any scrutiny. Methinks much is being hidden here by the parole board in relation to the lack of action concerning AEB, prior to Jill's murder. No transparency!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...ult-parole-board/story-fni0ffnk-1226671886737
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