Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #1

[steve richardson]

Hand was definitely bandaged I have screenshot of it taken 16 July

 

[Amee]

July 27, 20161:19pm

Karen Ristevski has been missing for almost a month as police step up search

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...h/news-story/576fcd9759456e1326308d6308d3b3e2

 

[DaisyGirl66]

The hand pic was July 16 at 3:47am - just looks like a very thick bandage to me. I'm not medical though.

I think bandage too. Wasn't on in the herald sun photo shoot !

I saw that pic too and agree it was posted to FB in the very early hours of Saturday 16th July. I also remember above the photo about a FB 'check-in' to Bunnings at West Footscray. I remember thinking that's a strange time to go shopping, but maybe he couldn't sleep? But that store doesn't open til 7am every day of the week - https://www.bunnings.com.au/stores/vic/west-footscray. No way could he have been in-store at that hour as a customer. It looked like the photo was taken inside somewhere. Was well lit up. If he hurt his hand the day before on the Friday 15/7, that's the day he had the interview at Sunshine Police Station (in the afternoon) over a supposedly 'unrelated matter' (yet posted a pic of the police interview CD), but then 'came to the attention of detectives'. Was the interview something to do with the hand injury? (eg. an assault?) or was it about Karen all along and he hit the couch in a moment of anxiety at home following the interview? Who knows. I recall the interview with the Herald Sun newspaper was done on Sunday 17/7 - and yes, no bandage on then but his left hand does look a bit swollen in one of the pics and the journalist wrote 'He [Rickard] points to a blue, swollen hand, an injury he says he got from punching the side of his couch in a moment of anxiety.' The subsequent interview at his Diggers Rest home with Missing Persons Detectives (where his Aunt and ex-GF were also present) regarding Karen was later on on Friday 15/7 wasn't it? Why was the Aunt contacted by detectives on Wed. 13/7 (in the evening) if AR only came to the 'attention of detectives' after the interview at Sunshine Police Station on the 15/7? I'm confused...

 

[moreinfo]

I wonder if Bunnings footscray have any footage of him. in the store or around store, AND i wonder what he bought?

 

[Amee]

[h=1]Karen Ristevski: Police refuse to say if they have suspects in missing person case[/h] Updated 33 minutes ago

Neighbours told police her husband, Borce Ristevski, asked a few homeowners if they had CCTV footage of the day his wife went missing.
One neighbour said he wanted to know which way she had gone so the family could look for her.
Police would not speculate if there was any CCTV vision of Ms Ristevski in the area but confirmed they were reviewing some CCTV footage

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-...fuse-to-reveal-suspects-missing-woman/7663652

 

[sleepinoz]

I wonder if Bunnings footscray have any footage of him. in the store or around store, AND i wonder what he bought?

He could work as a Night Filler - would help explain his posting at odd hours.

 

[ScottKam]

To know the state of play, we must ask ourselves ONLY the following question: if the police feel like it is a random perpetrator (Jill Meagher style) wouldn't they be telling the public that and warning women to be safe? Rather, they're not saying jack, other than the usual, keep safe, blah blah. SURELY, if they police were REALLY concerned about a random perp they would be doing more to get the word out and keep women safe. It seems that women are not in general danger. Rather, we have the Herald Sun telling us a person of interest is not cooperating. VERY INTERESTING!! So, rather than telling us to watch out for the stranger who took Karen, they are telling us Borce is shutting up.

 

[Amee]

[h=2]'Still a missing person's case'[/h]
Detective Inspector Dennis said her disappearance was still being treated as a missing person's case.


"I'm sure any family would be holding out hope in the circumstances to make sure a loved one is still alive," he said.


"We are treating it as a missing person case but the longer she remains missing the more difficult it becomes."

Police said a number of people had contacted them since they first appealed for public help

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-...fuse-to-reveal-suspects-missing-woman/7663652

 

[Adrianna]

One of AR friends supporters posted on sm " Karen ristevski - websleuths would like to talk to you (with hand clapping emoticon)

We would like to speak to her, that would be great, we would know she is ok and her daughter would be over the moon.

 

[Amee]

:tyou:

 

[Puggle]

'Still a missing person's case'


Detective Inspector Dennis said her disappearance was still being treated as a missing person's case.


"I'm sure any family would be holding out hope in the circumstances to make sure a loved one is still alive," he said.


"We are treating it as a missing person case but the longer she remains missing the more difficult it becomes."

Police said a number of people had contacted them since they first appealed for public help

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-...fuse-to-reveal-suspects-missing-woman/7663652

Thank you for the Link Amee ....

Its rather interesting how different the tone is in this ABC article compared with what The Herald Sun has been putting out to the public over the last week.

It confirmed the cameras weren't working at the house.

Neighbours told police that Mr Ristevski had gone around asking neighbours if they had cameras, so he could see which direction Karen went in - so family could go look for her.

Police refused to say if the have any suspects..... yet other msm are saying the have a POI ..... and todays news says that POI has gone silent. On checking most of this msm stuff is getting recycled from Herald Sun ... * will check where the HS* is backing up its facts from...

That actually has me thinking...... has it been printed anywhere that the homicide squad has been brought in to take over?

Detective Inspector Dennis said they are still treating this as a Missing Persons Case ...... so where did the media get the headline police believe she's been murdered?

 

[Amee]

[h=1]Police pin hope on dressed-up dummy as hunt for Karen Ristevski drags on[/h]3:41pm

Police also doorknocked the area surrounding Ms Ristevski's house, handing out flyers and asking people for any information they may have seen in the days before her disappearance.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/p...karen-ristevski-drags-on-20160727-gqet08.html

 

[Oz Jen]

:tyou:

:daisy:

Thank you!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Borce asking neighbors if they had CCTV, combined with the cameras in his their own home not working is as sus as hell!

 

[ScottKam]

I am constantly flip flopping. I think THIS is the state of play:

The Herald Sun is pushing the angle that the husband did it, though, at the moment, i think there is no evidence for that. The husband is in the frame purely, simply because the last person to see a missing person is always a kind of suspect. Further, a husband, especially one arguing with his wife, is always of interest. But beyond those basic qualities, i am not sure the cops have anything solid, substantive on Borce suggesting he is a suspect.

Further, after reading the ABC article, this one:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-...fuse-to-reveal-suspects-missing-woman/7663652

I get the sense the police don't really have much evidence for anything. That the police are on horse-back and searching nearby fields is worrying, because it suggests to me it is a roll of the dice to find something on the off chance someone murdered Karen and dumped her body there or threw her handbag there. I thought the police were well advanced in their understanding of what happened; though, after today, i think they're almost as clueless as we are.

Finally, if police are not playing dumb to the media while following the suspect, then they truly have nothing. That is alarming. This means that all three scenarios are WELL AND TRULY in play:

1) the husband murdered Karen.
2) the stepson murdered Karen.
3) a stranger murdered Karen.

I am not even considering that she voluntarily disappeared as i believe that is fanciful. She could have purposefully disappeared to begin a new life under an assumed identity, though that is simply crap.

I would like to say that i am VERY ANNOYED at the Herald Sun for pushing the husband did it theory, as it is sensationalistic and it seems like there is ZERO evidence for it. Borce, most likely, lawyered up regarding the sexual molestation charges his son is levelling, which is the prudent thing to do. But the Herald Sun made it sound like he lawyered up because he is nigh on being arrested, which seems to be FAR from the truth.

This is how i am reading it currently. I, too, unfortunately, get sucked into the hype and believe the husband did it; though i am now thinking there is no evidence against him. That he asked neighbours for CCTV footage is something, I, at first, thought showed him to be innocent, but that could be staged. But i now distrust the Herald Sun and believe the police have ZERO evidence- not just against Borce, but against anyone. This seems to be truly open at the moment.

At this stage it wouldn't surprise me if they arrest Rickard tomorrow.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

The police have to show they are exploring all possibilities for fear of being accused of 'tunnel vision' at trial .. Remember the accusation of a 'rush to judgement' in the OJ trial? It's important that they follow all leads just in case their suspicion is wrong, and to show they remained open minded, and followed the evidence as opposed to proving their own theories right.

This is why they appear to be looking in a number of places at once, even when they have strong leads from the start.

 

[ScottKam]

The police have to show they are exploring all possibilities for fear of being accused of 'tunnel vision' at trial .. Remember the accusation of a 'rush to judgement' in the OJ trial? It's important that they follow all leads just in case their suspicion is wrong, and to show they remained open minded, and followed the evidence as opposed to proving their own theories right.

This is why they appear to be looking in a number of places at once, even when they have strong leads from the start.

I'm now suspecting the police have nothing. Today's developments are worrying in the sense that they seem to be rolling the dice because they have hit a dead end.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I'm now suspecting the police have nothing. Today's developments are worrying in the sense that they seem to be rolling the dice out of hitting a dead end.

I don't feel that way at all, there is nothing unusual in the way they are operating. They're thinking ahead to a trial is all.

They need to show they appealed to the public for help and explored the possibility that she did leave on foot, even if they have evidence to show she did not.

 

[emirates1957]

I went down Milleara Road an hour ago both right and left off Buckley Street......there was no truck insight. I did however swing past Oakley Drive again no lights, curtains were drawn there was a channel 9 truck around the corner in (I think it was) Brownview Court. Channel 9 news also indicated 5 minutes ago that Borce has decided to shut up.

 

[sleepinoz]

I am constantly flip flopping. I think THIS is the state of play:

The Herald Sun is pushing the angle that the husband did it, though, at the moment, i think there is no evidence for that. The husband is in the frame purely, simply because the last person to see a missing person is always a kind of suspect. Further, a husband, especially one arguing with his wife, is always of interest. But beyond those basic qualities, i am not sure the cops have anything solid, substantive on Borce suggesting he is a suspect.

Further, after reading the ABC article, this one:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-...fuse-to-reveal-suspects-missing-woman/7663652

I get the sense the police don't really have much evidence for anything. That the police are on horse-back and searching nearby fields is worrying, because it suggests to me it is a roll of the dice to find something on the off chance someone murdered Karen and dumped her body there or threw her handbag there. I thought the police were well advanced in their understanding of what happened; though, after today, i think they're almost as clueless as we are.

Finally, if police are not playing dumb to the media while following the suspect, then they truly have nothing. That is alarming. This means that all three scenarios are WELL AND TRULY in play:

1) the husband murdered Karen.
2) the stepson murdered Karen.
3) a stranger murdered Karen.

I am not even considering that she voluntarily disappeared as i believe that is fanciful. She could have purposefully disappeared to begin a new life under an assumed identity, though that is simply crap.

I would like to say that i am VERY ANNOYED at the Herald Sun for pushing the husband did it theory, as it is sensationalistic and it seems like there is ZERO evidence for it. Borce, most likely, lawyered up regarding the sexual molestation charges his son is levelling, which is the prudent thing to do. But the Herald Sun made it sound like he lawyered up because he is nigh on being arrested, which seems to be FAR from the truth.

This is how i am reading it currently. I, too, unfortunately, get sucked into the hype and believe the husband did it; though i am now thinking there is no evidence against him. That he asked neighbours for CCTV footage is something, I, at first, thought showed him to be innocent, but that could be staged. But i now distrust the Herald Sun and believe the police have ZERO evidence- not just against Borce, but against anyone. This seems to be truly open at the moment.

At this stage it wouldn't surprise me if they arrest Rickard tomorrow.

The Police would have heaps of evidence - they don't share very often, and so they shouldn't.