Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #10

[Oona]

Yes, I wasn't sure as I couldn't find a specific SLK picture ... just SL series.

However, it appears that the object is in the middle. Not on one side or the other where headrests or hoops would be.

Maybe the rear view mirror?
I like to think it is a shovel handle :thinking:

 

[JLZ]

On this photos i think you can see on the passenger side it is the headrest that is visible.

(snipped)

Probably. I see a kind of alarmed face with glasses and frizzy fairish hair. Surely an illusion.

 

[Armchair snoop]

Sorry to disappoint emirates, just a law student here who is just as interested in the case as you are

Stick around hollyfield we may have a client for you

 

[SouthAussie]

Maybe the rear view mirror?
I like to think it is a shovel handle :thinking:

I think it is too big for the rearview mirror. And I think it is too thick/wide for a shovel handle. :dunno:

We sometimes wondered if Karen was transported in the car itself. Particularly with rigor complications. Which is what made me look closer. I also wanted to see if it was possible for the police to enhance that license plate (I think that maybe with the right sophisticated equipment they may be able to distinguish one or two numerals/letters perhaps).

I am also wondering if they want eye witnesses to the car's travels to see if anyone else saw more than one person inside the car.

So many questions!!

https://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz/slk-class/2014/used/vin/?vin=WDDPK4HA8EF088786

 

[Itsapuzzle]

In the ACA promo grab of VR his trousers and top look dirty to me, like he's been on the ground digging around 🤔 ..... need to see his hands ..... pockets are positively bulging with God only knows what - possible he was retrieving something to plant on someone else, or just looking for something ..... nonetheless it's all so suspicious 🤔 MOO

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[JLZ]

If there were rigor complications death must have occurred quite a while before the alleged argument.

 

[SouthAussie]

If there were rigor complications death must have occurred quite a while before the alleged argument.

Yes. I don't know about anyone else, but I question everything that comes out of that man's mouth. He lied about staying home that day, he apparently lied about how far he drove, he apparently lied about the fuel gauge fixing itself, he appears to have lied about the financial situation, he appears to have lied about Karen going for a walk ....


Starting between two and six hours following death, rigor mortis begins with the eyelids, neck, and jaw.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigor_mortis

 

[sosocurious]

If there were rigor complications death must have occurred quite a while before the alleged argument.

Recalling the moment she got the text, Ms Hili told 9 News that she immediately called Sarah, but discovered the 21-year-old was 'too devastated to speak.'
Ms Hili said her next stop was at Ristevski's boutique, but she could find no sign of her there either.
So she called Borce, Ristevski's husband, to ask whether the couple had a 'tiff' the previous evening.

She said: 'He told me "we did have a bit of a disagreement" and he just said that she hasn't come home.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-Ristevski-s-went-missing.html#ixzz4kFp3v5y5

The evening before maybe.

 

[Amalgam]

I'm quite sure that LE have been watching VR repeatedly visit the site and said 'next time he makes a move, we'll send ACA up there'

Too much of a coincidence to be an accident IMO


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My initial thoughts were along similar lines - the police have eyes/tracking on Vasko & tipped off ACA when he visited the site.

However when I read that Charlie Bezzina was along for the ride with ACA, it sounds like something ACA had organised in advance, not a case of "quick, get up to Mt Macedon, Vasko's there!"

Also, the police would be potentially compromising useful evidence (his pocket contents) by having the media intercept Vasko rather than a couple of detectives.

 

[JLZ]

Recalling the moment she got the text, Ms Hili told 9 News that she immediately called Sarah, but discovered the 21-year-old was 'too devastated to speak.'
Ms Hili said her next stop was at Ristevski's boutique, but she could find no sign of her there either.
So she called Borce, Ristevski's husband, to ask whether the couple had a 'tiff' the previous evening.

She said: 'He told me "we did have a bit of a disagreement" and he just said that she hasn't come home.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-Ristevski-s-went-missing.html#ixzz4kFp3v5y5

The evening before maybe.

But the message was sent the day following Karen's disappearance. So BR is assenting to disagreement on the day she disappeared but apparently not commenting on the time.

I find it strange, to put it mildly, that SR asked to be contacted if someone had seen Karen but then wouldn't deal with the call, which was only what she was asking for. You'd think she'd be relieved--oh thank God! you've seen her? And even when Ms Hili hadn't, Karen had only been missing one day and night, why should SR be so distraught as to be speechless? I suggest that SR sent the message knowing that nobody had seen Karen and so not expecting any calls. When the call came, it was terrifying, like a ghost and the threat of discovery.

 

[Amalgam]

Regarding the front on footage of the Mercedes from the CCTV footage - perhaps the shape visible towards the middle of the car is simply the driver leaning towards the left of the car for some reason?

The other camera angles only seem to resemble the presence of a driver, any other contents of the car being out of view.

 

[Oona]

But the message was sent the day following Karen's disappearance. So BR is assenting to disagreement on the day she disappeared but apparently not commenting on the time.

I find it strange, to put it mildly, that SR asked to be contacted if someone had seen Karen but then wouldn't deal with the call, which was only what she was asking for. You'd think she'd be relieved--oh thank God! you've seen her? And even when Ms Hili hadn't, Karen had only been missing one day and night, why should SR be so distraught as to be speechless? I suggest that SR sent the message knowing that nobody had seen Karen and so not expecting any calls. When the call came, it was terrifying, like a ghost and the threat of discovery.

It seems that the "bit of a disagreement" was ongoing, if it happened the evening before Karen went missing but she also had to "clear her head" on the morning she is said to have left the house.

 

[Amalgam]

But the message was sent the day following Karen's disappearance. So BR is assenting to disagreement on the day she disappeared but apparently not commenting on the time.

I find it strange, to put it mildly, that SR asked to be contacted if someone had seen Karen but then wouldn't deal with the call, which was only what she was asking for. You'd think she'd be relieved--oh thank God! you've seen her? And even when Ms Hili hadn't, Karen had only been missing one day and night, why should SR be so distraught as to be speechless? I suggest that SR sent the message knowing that nobody had seen Karen and so not expecting any calls. When the call came, it was terrifying, like a ghost and the threat of discovery.

According to this link, Sarah did answer Ms Hili's call, but being too distressed to talk, passed the phone to Borce. This is a slightly different version of events to what is reported by the Daily Mail. https://www.who.com.au/article/news/karen-ristevski-case-dad-is-copping-a-lot

I'm not seeking to detract or disagree with your point, just pointing out another source of information, especially as it was asked earlier in the thread whether Sarah answered Ms Hili's call or not.

 

[JLZ]

It seems that the "bit of a disagreement" was ongoing, if it happened the evening before Karen went missing but she also had to "clear her head" on the morning she is said to have left the house.

My point was that BR didn't say anything about a disagreement on 28th. It's interesting though that Ms Hili apparently immediately guessed at a tiff. As if BR and Karen were known to be having a few.

 

[Amalgam]

It seems that the "bit of a disagreement" was ongoing, if it happened the evening before Karen went missing but she also had to "clear her head" on the morning she is said to have left the house.

It has been reported that there was a heated discussion the night before Karen went missing, where Karen allegedly "went ballistic" (according to Sarah) during discussion of a sale at Bella Bleu. (Night of 28th June)

Then there was an arguement "over finances" on the morning she went missing, over which Borce went to great lengths to explain that the arguement was merely over the previous days takings, their overall finances being very healthy. (Morning of 29 June)

 

[SouthAussie]

It is a bit pointed that Ms Hili questioned if an argument had ensued the previous evening. Specifically the previous evening.

Did she know that trouble may have been brewing? Aware, as Karen's best friend, that something was going to be discussed that night?

Or did she know that when arguments happened in that household, that they usually occurred in the evening ... perhaps alcohol-fuelled, or stress-fuelled?

 

[moreinfo]

First class :goldcrown:

1D ... 1F

Business class , wonder who is funding this. These tickets are about $4500 grand each, unless of course they were frequent flyer points.
Noticed SR bag is a Louis Vuitton also worth over $1,500. Suppose her mum had quite a collection.

 

[SouthAussie]

It has been reported that there was a heated discussion the night before Karen went missing, where Karen allegedly "went ballistic" (according to Sarah) during discussion of a sale at Bella Bleu. (Night of 28th June)

Then there was an arguement "over finances" on the morning she went missing, over which Borce went to great lengths to explain that the arguement was merely over the previous days takings, their overall finances being very healthy. (Morning of 29 June)

Oh. I don't recall a report about Sarah saying that Karen went ballistic the previous evening? I didn't think Sarah stated when the ballistic event happened.

Been here all this time and never noticed that. lol Will look for a link so I can get it straight.

I can see a WS post from Steve Richardson saying the ballistic thing was the previous evening ... still looking for an MSM link.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ne-Vic-29-June-2016-6&p=12820411#post12820411


If anyone can find an MSM link, I'd sure appreciate it.

 

[Oona]

My point was that BR didn't say anything about a disagreement on 28th. It's interesting though that Ms Hili apparently immediately guessed at a tiff. As if BR and Karen were known to be having a few.

Maybe it was Sarah's comments about Karen going ballistic the day before she went missing that made me assume there was a disagreement the day/evening before.

 

[JLZ]

It has been reported that there was a heated discussion the night before Karen went missing, where Karen allegedly "went ballistic" (according to Sarah) during discussion of a sale at Bella Bleu. (Night of 28th June)

Then there was an arguement "over finances" on the morning she went missing, over which Borce went to great lengths to explain that the arguement was merely over the previous days takings, their overall finances being very healthy. (Morning of 29 June)

I missed that . . . did Sarah say the "ballistic" event was on 28th?

I also thought we weren't sure whether or not she witnessed it.

Edit: Well, I'm too slow. Ignore.