Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #2

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  • #421
Ol' Borce described Karen and he had a heated argument.

Google describes it as a "yelling/screaming argument that is getting out of hand".

I'm sure Ol' Borce would slightly downplay the argument to police, right?

IMO he's a hothead.

Sarah immediately knew how to diffuse him in front of those reporters. She's used to it.
 
  • #422
One thing i just realised is that possibly Borce was telling the media the police told him not to speak about the case publicly as a way to get the media off his back- especially now as he might have been deemed a formal suspect. It would look horrible for the Herald Sun to whip out another story where a reporter asks Borce directly if he is a suspect, and he is caught between a rock and a hard place- not wanting to publicly acknowledge he is a suspect, though also not wanting to offer the dreaded 'no comment' response, which is damning. So Borce preempts it all by saying the police told me not to speak LOL. Ingenious tactic. Perhaps his lawyers thought it up for him. Some lawyers are worth their weight in gold, aren't they? hehehe Just my opinion, of course.

I think puggle and someone else talked about this business of Borce saying the police told him not to speak to the media, and the police saying they can't tell people what to do; I agree with puggle and co. that both statements could be correct: the police can't stop anyone talking to the media- true; and, the police might have told Borce to be wary of what he says to the media lest he slip out some vital details that are being kept secret. Although, referring to the previous paragraph, i think it is more likely that Borce's lawyers told him to keep quiet, which is troubling because he is saying police told him to keep quiet. Surely he can't just be making things up. Something doesn't quite add up. There is some trickery going on here. Everyone seems to be playing little word games: the media, the police, Borce perhaps, etc. I think the police told Borce to be cautious and not let information slip unnecessarily, while his lawyers told him to zip it. That sounds reasonable.

What would anybody do in his situation. .....

his every word, every facial espression, every action or non action dissected by a thousand x plus people with individual opinions..

Its a real hard one.

He may very well be guilty ....... 4 me personally there's just not enough information out there yet to form an opinion...

Tom Meagher put himself front and centre in the media spotlight and started up his own FB for Jill........and still everyone was saying he killed her.

Learning from cases such as Bayden Clay .... and Jill Meaghers..... well lesson for me anyways...never simply assume.

I was gutted when I realised I was one of the throngs of people voicing my opinion that Tom had killed Jill..... horrible feeling...really horrible.
 
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I'm looking into the body language when the reporter asked 'did you kill your wife?'
That question did NOT warrant that reaction.

3 photos show...

The evil eye given to the reporter showed me Borce wanted to bob him, Sarah immediately placed her hand on his chest and ushered him away. That reaction was not necessary. He's a hothead and Sarah anticipated it. She knows.

Take a look how Sarah is holding his arm as they walked away, she's literally leading him away.

There is a video which truly shows the reaction.
 

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  • #425
I look at Sarah here and think she looks scared, not worried...or am I reading to much into it?
 
  • #426
What would anybody do in his situation. .....

his every word, every facial espression, every action or non action dissected by a thousand x plus people with individual opinions..

Its a real hard one.

He may very well be guilty ....... 4 me personally there's just not enough information out there yet to form an opinion...

Tom Meagher put himself front and centre in the media spotlight and started up his own FB for Jill........and still everyone was saying he killed her.

Learning from cases such as Bayden Clay .... and Jill Meaghers..... well lesson for me anyways...never simply assume.

I was gutted when I realised I was one of the throngs of people voicing my opinion that Tom had killed Jill..... horrible feeling...really horrible.


Wise sentiments Puggle
 
  • #427
I'm looking into the body language when the reporter asked 'did you kill your wife?'
That question did NOT warrant that reaction.

3 photos show...

The evil eye given to the reporter showed me Borce wanted to bob him, Sarah immediately placed her hand on his chest and ushered him away. That reaction was not necessary. He's a hothead and Sarah anticipated it. She knows.

Take a look how Sarah is holding his arm as they walked away, she's literally leading him away.

There is a video which truly shows the reaction.

Is he Sarah's stepfather? I was wondering that the other day - for no particular reason whatsoever. Maybe because I always seem to see Sarah referred to as 'her' (Karen's) daughter in the media.
She certainly seems like a peacekeeper, and she looks very dazed and confused and numb to me.
 
  • #428
What would anybody do in his situation. .....

his every word, every facial espression, every action or non action dissected by a thousand x plus people with individual opinions..

Its a real hard one.

He may very well be guilty ....... 4 me personally there's just not enough information out there yet to form an opinion...

Tom Meagher put himself front and centre in the media spotlight and started up his own FB for Jill........and still everyone was saying he killed her.

Learning from cases such as Bayden Clay .... and Jill Meaghers..... well lesson for me anyways...never simply assume.

I was gutted when I realised I was one of the throngs of people voicing my opinion that Tom had killed Jill..... horrible feeling...really horrible.

I got Tom wrong as well.

1 out of 5 ain't bad.
Thats the way the Mercedes Benz.
 
  • #429
It seems to me, if the police are treating this as a murder investigation and have a suspect in mind, they are moving slowly.
Is it possible/likely that police believe Karen Ristevski is alive?
 
  • #430
It seems to me, if the police are treating this as a murder investigation and have a suspect in mind, they are moving slowly.
Is it possible/likely that police believe Karen Ristevski is alive?

To be honest its not how they usually work.

They are not giving out the indication that karen is alive .
 
  • #431
I look at Sarah here and think she looks scared, not worried...or am I reading to much into it?

I totally agree!
In the beginning she was genuinely crying, wiping tears away with a tissue but then frowning, looking downward, yes she then looked fearful.

Obviously there was dysfunction in that family but to what degree?
I truly feel so sorry for Sarah.
 
  • #432
To be honest its not how they usually work.

They are not giving out the indication that karen is alive .

And these things can literally take years. Unfortunately.
 
  • #433
Ol' Borce described Karen and he had a heated argument.

Google describes it as a "yelling/screaming argument that is getting out of hand".

I'm sure Ol' Borce would slightly downplay the argument to police, right?

IMO he's a hothead.

Sarah immediately knew how to diffuse him in front of those reporters. She's used to it.



Where did this come from?


Google describes it as a "yelling/screaming argument that is getting out of hand".
 
  • #434
It seems to me, if the police are treating this as a murder investigation and have a suspect in mind, they are moving slowly.
Is it possible/likely that police believe Karen Ristevski is alive?


Police believe missing Melbourne woman Karen Ristevski could have been murdered

THERE are still no answers into the mysterious disappearance of Karen Ristevski, but police now think she could be dead.


http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...d/news-story/cde39d2fb8120ae9484ac5217c1a3edf
 
  • #435
I'm looking into the body language when the reporter asked 'did you kill your wife?'
That question did NOT warrant that reaction.

3 photos show...

The evil eye given to the reporter showed me Borce wanted to bob him, Sarah immediately placed her hand on his chest and ushered him away. That reaction was not necessary. He's a hothead and Sarah anticipated it. She knows.

Take a look how Sarah is holding his arm as they walked away, she's literally leading him away.

There is a video which truly shows the reaction.

Whoahh..... like some esp going on between us TGY .... I was just looking at depth that exact interview today...

And this goes back to my comment to Scottkam about how people interpret ...well...dissect everything....and we can all come up with something different.

You articulated everything I noticed too .....his stare back at the reporter...Sarah appearing to take the lead by placing her hand on his chest.

But ...... you and I have come up with totally different opinions based on the same observation of body language.

I interpreted a totally disgusted Husband feeling total anger at that question being put to him. Disgust that someone would dare ask him that ....as he loves his wife and can't comprehend someone even suggesting it. I actually thought he wanted to hit the reporter too..

I interpreted Sarahs action as being protective and caring ...... I have also felt she comes across genuine.... Like her response was...C'mon Dad...he's not worth it. Protecting him from being seen in even a worse light than they probably are already aware he looks....given he was the last person to see her...the husband...all the usual.

Im not trying to convince you Im right.... or your wrong....simply point out how people can all form a differnt opinions even when presented with the same evidence .....in this instance a video interview.

Although having said that ....lol.....thinking about what I just said.....if I was trying to sway your thought....

Take a look at the footpath interview of Bill Spedding walking with his wife.....When put on the spot....asked directly questions about seeing William.....I noticed his wife almost paused and directly looked at him...... like she wanted the answers to those questions too..

I didnt see Sarah look up.....or pause in doubt...
 
  • #436
Is he Sarah's stepfather? I was wondering that the other day - for no particular reason whatsoever. Maybe because I always seem to see Sarah referred to as 'her' (Karen's) daughter in the media.
She certainly seems like a peacekeeper, and she looks very dazed and confused and numb to me.

We're assuming because Karen and Borce have been together for almost 25 years that he is her father.
 
  • #437

yep, i knoow ha, another news report came out on 1 july 2016 http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/...ge-prison-inmate-over-ristevki-murder/?cs=298

and previous to this with some background info on that case http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e/news-story/2a1cf29cc4d0d41e8baa8d588927abb9
but might not even be related.


This incident is why I was asking if BR and VR had a recently deceased male sibling last week:

Just curious, did the two Ristevski brothers, Borce and Vic(?), have a third sibling?


Still digging but haven't found a connection yet.
 
  • #438
Police believe missing Melbourne woman Karen Ristevski could have been murdered

THERE are still no answers into the mysterious disappearance of Karen Ristevski, but police now think she could be dead
.

I remember that police statement early on but about a week later they made a point of saying it was being treated as a "missing persons" investigation rather than a homicide investigation.
I guess suicide is also something that can't be excluded. Unless I have missed something.
 
  • #439
I dont think its relevant.
 
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