Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #3

[Bohemian]

Taking some time out over the last few days ive had a chance to think over some points ive had not entirely considered.

From the outset im not privvy to AR's FB posts, so over the whole time i haven't been swayed by this.

Without any of the FB posts there is the MSM articles to consider. AR has gone to the media in the first place?

Most had quessed he'd been in prison before he admitted it in the 2nd interview.

Interesting a self confessed Ice addict on the front page and every other day busting an Ice lab.

If i go with a theory that Karen walked out and was abducted or assaulted which may be probable.

Then in this respect i come back to AR and why he would come out and say what he as in MSM and FB?

I'm not sure if AR approached MSM or it was the other way around as I don't have a subscription to The Australan where the original articles were printed. Instead, I've had to rely on snippets posted here and from other sources.

I think your theory about Karen being abducted or assaulted after 'walking out' is worthy of consideration.

Aa for AR, I don't know what his deal is. Amphetamine psychosis, personality disorder such as narcissism, need for notoriety, 'fame' or revenge. His weird behaviour could be due to any number of reasons. My guess is it's fuelled by his ice addiction but I'm not a medical professional.

http://au.reachout.com/ice

 

[Oz Jen]

Can this be confirmed?

Good spot OzJen.

Hi Unit, I've been trying to find the article to link but so far nothing. I know I read it in the early days after KR went missing but it could well have been incorrect msn reporting. I'll try to find it again tomorrow. Makes sense though that an employee would phone to ask where KR was, if indeed she was expected at the shop that day. Like others have said, I am also wondering when and to whom the call was made - and the time lapse between that call and the call to police.


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[moreinfo]

Also, ive noticed the Bella Bleu facebook page has not had any posts since 24 June. One of the last posts was "school formal registry is now open"..
No ones maintaining the facebook page so im assuming this was Karens department. She has over 1000 followers and I would imagine this would be a big deal to capture the hearts of school girls in the area with her dresses and having regular photos of dresses is a sure way to show off what you offer. Why hasnt anyone updated with new posts, do you think they will wind down the shop?

 

[ozazure]

Tonight I tried to delve back into an early timeline. The initial media appearance, Borce in the blue shirt, outside what I believe is the AH police station, is pretty hard to find. All I can find of it now is this 4 minute ACA compilation:http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/07/14/08/49/aussie-actor-calls-for-missing-mums-safe-return

There's no footage of Sarah speaking there. Patricia is at that interview, in the background with a young woman who looks like she could be related. There is an earlier clip of Patricia being interviewed in front of the garage, and VR as well. The 3AW appearance of Sarah is completely gone except where she is quoted in articles.

I didn't hear about her disappearance until about 2 weeks in when it hit the media again because Borce was interviewed. So I don't know what was said by Sarah at the outset, except for the "ballistic" quote, which also appears to have disappeared now ... it really is strange. No more mention of her "health problem" after the start of July either.

So we don't even know when Borce reported her missing.

 

[Acidtear]

So we don't even know when Borce reported her missing.

He door knocked locals about a week before the news report...that's all I know in that timeline.

 

[moreinfo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...olice-say-disappearance-highly-irregular.html
just found this under comments after article,
"tooright, Melbourne, Australia, 1 month ago
I have known Karen over 10 years. She and her family are lovely people and they are very much loved by their friends. She would never leave her daughter like this. I am hoping and praying she is found and is safe. Please, everybody, look out for her and call the police if you have seen her."
Another reason why i don't believe the possibility that she just left her family.

 

[moreinfo]

Im also wondering if it was Karen that normally opened the shop at 9am?
and..... her employee called from their own mobile phone to see where she was because they could not get in? We dont know if she rang from within the store or not? And if the shop traded that day either.

Also, did SR actively ask for help to find her mum via a social media platform ie facebook. I never saw her page and don't know when she shut it down and if anything was there. Or if it was closed becuase of negative comments.
I would imagine she would loose alot of contact with friends/family and her mums friends (that Sarah wasnt friends with), that might want to contact her via facebook. What if Karen was taking time out or had said something to a friend and this friend is not able to connect with Sarah.
And what would be her reason for shutting it down her FB page? does she assume no one can help her b/c it is a family member?

Ok, i did find out about her fb approach. It was published on 3rd July. She did reach out to her mums fb friends. But why has she closed it down,
The daughter of missing Avondale Heights woman Karen Ristevski has made an emotional plea for public help to find her mother.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/d...-for-help-finding-mother-20160703-gpxclz.html
"Sarah Ristevski, 21, told 3AW she had reached out to her mother's friends on Facebook but to no avail.
"There's no leads at all, no sightings, nothing," she said. "I've logged onto her Facebook and contacted all of her friends. No one has seen her.""

 

[Makara]

Karen Ristevski’s close friend does not believe she would run away

AUGUST 17, 201612:55AM
Andrew Koubaridisnews.com.au@akoubaridis

A CLOSE friend of missing Melbourne woman Karen Ristevski doesn’t believe she would have run away — and can’t understand why anyone would harm such a “kind, gentle soul”.

Ms Ristevski hasn’t been seen in more than six weeks after she apparently left her Avondale Heights home after an argument with her husband Borce Ristevski over money.

Since then, speculation has grown about where the 47-year-old could be, and who could be to blame. One of the leads being investigated by police is speculation Ms Ristevski may have run away from home.

But someone who has known Ms Ristevski for many years told news.com.au she didn’t believe Ms Ristevski was hiding away.
“No, she wouldn’t do that. She wouldn’t do it to her daughter, number one,” she said.

Ms Ristevski’s inner circle has tried to keep to themselves as the case exploded daily in the media and speculation, accusations and gossip boiled over in social media.

However, the friend told news.com.au the gossip had been hurtful.
“That’s the thing that really distresses me. It’s like a nightmare … Or a book you can’t put down.”

BBM.

Read more at link.

 

[inkpink]

She last saw her long-time friend a few weeks before she disappeared. They met for a regular catch-up, and there was no hint whatsoever of the calamity that was coming.

“Everything was normal, there was nothing out of the ordinary at all, that made me think, what’s going on here?”

She’d heard the stories about the financial issues Ms Ristevski had but didn’t think she appeared troubled by it.

“She never seemed stressed about money in my eyes anyway.”

There has been speculation too about the state of her marriage.

“I didn’t get that from her — she never complained about (her husband) at all, or said anything bad.”

Even the presence of Ms Ristevski’s stepson Anthony Rickard, who has admitted battling ice addiction, wasn’t something the two friends discussed.


If this was a close friend then it illustrates just how private Karen kept her life.

 

[sleepinoz]

She’d heard the stories about the financial issues Ms Ristevski had but didn’t think she appeared troubled by it.
“She never seemed stressed about money in my eyes anyway.”


There has been speculation too about the state of her marriage.
“I didn’t get that from her — she never complained about (her husband) at all, or said anything bad.”

“I was aware he (Mr Rickard) had issues. But I don’t want to pass judgment, I don’t even know him.”

From these statements from her 'long-term' friend - it seems to me not only that Karen was very private, but her friends didn't know her very well at all.

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...y/news-story/9d6c14402c28f6677ac7e5b9d9139ff8

 

[SouthAussie]

So, perhaps Karen was reported missing the following day? As I would think that the family would have called all friends and checked everywhere that could be checked prior to calling the police, because Karen was an adult that could have been taking some time to cool down.


“When her daughter asked me to let her know if I heard from her because she ‘didn’t come home yesterday’, I thought maybe she is cooling down.

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...y/news-story/9d6c14402c28f6677ac7e5b9d9139ff8

 

[Hbayne]

Karen Ristevski’s close friend does not believe she would run away

AUGUST 17, 201612:55AM
Andrew Koubaridisnews.com.au@akoubaridis

A CLOSE friend of missing Melbourne woman Karen Ristevski doesn’t believe she would have run away — and can’t understand why anyone would harm such a “kind, gentle soul”.

Ms Ristevski hasn’t been seen in more than six weeks after she apparently left her Avondale Heights home after an argument with her husband Borce Ristevski over money.

Since then, speculation has grown about where the 47-year-old could be, and who could be to blame. One of the leads being investigated by police is speculation Ms Ristevski may have run away from home.

But someone who has known Ms Ristevski for many years told news.com.au she didn’t believe Ms Ristevski was hiding away.
“No, she wouldn’t do that. She wouldn’t do it to her daughter, number one,” she said.

Ms Ristevski’s inner circle has tried to keep to themselves as the case exploded daily in the media and speculation, accusations and gossip boiled over in social media.

However, the friend told news.com.au the gossip had been hurtful.
“That’s the thing that really distresses me. It’s like a nightmare … Or a book you can’t put down.”

BBM.

Read more at link.

Maybe if daughter knew she was ok though ....... ( I doubt it but never know)

 

[Itsapuzzle]

Maybe AR suffers from paranoid schizophrenia, due to long-term drug use, and everything he's said is a figment of his imagination .... I mean, his posts read like something out of a Batman and Robin comic. He may even have KR hostage up the bush or something, in a farmhouse, who knows, wouldn't surprise me in the least.

 

[SouthAussie]

I still can't see Karen not letting her daughter know that she was okay, if she had run away from home. Karen is an adult. If she wanted to run away from home, there is nothing to say that she couldn't.
I know some may say that other mothers have done that. From what we have heard about Karen, I cannot see her being one of those mothers.

And I cannot see her putting the stress of such a secret on her devastated daughter, to carry with her day after day, and have her lie to police and everyone else.

 

[zeppa]

I have been following this case,but have been very reluctant to voice what I see and feel.
Of course from the start,Borce was number one suspect.But,what if,it was not him?.
Who would he cover for?.
Go back and watch the interview,with the aunty speaking to the media.
Focus on Sarah.What do you see?.
Lack of eye contact?.Remorse and sorrow?.Why no heart felt pleads,for her mother to return?.After all,she is her only child!.Sarah's own statement!.
Remember,she is 21.Why is she not making the pleas?.
Yes,Sarah has made pleas by radio,but,the body language is hidden,by doing so.


As for AR,once again,I see something very different.Step familys,intertwined,can make for toxic environments for some children.
Especially,if there is a golden child and a scapegoat situation.
Which is why I could see,AR,getting in first.Airing all the dirty laundry,warts and all.Putting everything out into the world.
I believe,he is being honest.
Drug abuse,self medicating his inner child-goes hand in hand.

 

[SouthAussie]

As for AR,once again,I see something very different.Step familys,intertwined,can make for toxic environments for some children.
Especially,if there is a golden child and a scapegoat situation.
Which is why I could see,AR,getting in first.Airing all the dirty laundry,warts and all.Putting everything out into the world.
I believe,he is being honest.
Drug abuse,self medicating his inner child-goes hand in hand.

RSBM
BBM - Agree with this statement. Although I do believe they tried very hard with AR ... giving him a home over and over again until he was 27.

 

[JLZ]

Maybe AR suffers from paranoid schizophrenia, due to long-term drug use, and everything he's said is a figment of his imagination .... I mean, his posts read like something out of a Batman and Robin comic. He may even have KR hostage up the bush or something, in a farmhouse, who knows, wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Difficult to keep someone prisoner for a month and a half without either guarding or going back to tend to them. And surely he's being tracked.

 

[insanity]

I have been following this case,but have been very reluctant to voice what I see and feel.
Of course from the start,Borce was number one suspect.But,what if,it was not him?.
Who would he cover for?.
Go back and watch the interview,with the aunty speaking to the media.
Focus on Sarah.What do you see?.
Lack of eye contact?.Remorse and sorrow?.Why no heart felt pleads,for her mother to return?.After all,she is her only child!.Sarah's own statement!.
Remember,she is 21.Why is she not making the pleas?.
Yes,Sarah has made pleas by radio,but,the body language is hidden,by doing so.

I alluded to something similar earlier in the thread. Perhaps an accident or argument gone wrong......

 

[Madge_Ick_Dike]

zeppa I want to like your comment a million times. Interesting and valid points.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

She’d heard the stories about the financial issues Ms Ristevski had but didn’t think she appeared troubled by it.
“She never seemed stressed about money in my eyes anyway.”


There has been speculation too about the state of her marriage.
“I didn’t get that from her — she never complained about (her husband) at all, or said anything bad.”

“I was aware he (Mr Rickard) had issues. But I don’t want to pass judgment, I don’t even know him.”

From these statements from her 'long-term' friend - it seems to me not only that Karen was very private, but her friends didn't know her very well at all.

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...y/news-story/9d6c14402c28f6677ac7e5b9d9139ff8

It sounds to me very much like what we have previously said, that Karen liked keeping up appearances. My best friend since 4 is like this, I heard of trouble in her life through third parties growing up, but never from her, then her entire world came crashing down when her husband was arrested for pedophilia (SHOCK) .. But she didn't even tell me about that for 10 years until she finally decided to divorce him, then she told me all the secrets she had kept for the sake of appearances over the years and it was devastating .. Cut to a few years in the future and she has a new man and she's the same exact way as she was, just keeping up appearances. It's very isolating for the person who feels like they have to live this way, my friend admitted if she'd been able to open up she'd have divorced her husband sooner and life would be better, but it's impossible to change it really.