Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #6

[ozazure]

It's locked out (the link). Can you please post the text?

Open it incognito, it usually works for me by doing that.

 

[Oona]

Enjoyed the article. Hopefully Karen will be found soon.
This paragraph stood out to me:

"If and when anyone is arrested over the disappearance and likely killing of Karen Ristevski, one thing is likely: detectives will be surprised if the suspect does not eventually lead them to some spot he (or she) knew."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...k/news-story/18e67718c36c1ba72e1d527b6c0d146d

 

[Unit45]

VR and his statement.

Didnt' give the family much hope, and that was some months ago!

 

[Makara]

According to Andrew Rule's article, Karen was last seen on Wednesday 29 June and her daughter didn't report her missing until the following Saturday! Where did BR and SR think Karen had gone? So Karen doesn't come home on Wednesday night, doesn't turn up at her shop on Thursday, doesn't come home on Thursday night and it's the same thing all over again on Friday! SR finally chose to report her mother missing on the Saturday!! Unbelievable!!!

I found reading between the lines of Andrew Rule's article very interesting and he reveals quite a lot.

 

[Oona]

Also, if someone isn't reported missing for three days then the movements of any POI are of relevance during that whole time period not just on the 29th.

 

[Makara]

Interesting. I think quite of few of us think this is the most likely scenario.

The most reasonable alternative scenario is she had left by car — but, again, there is no usable security footage to support that. Which meant investigators were left wondering if, in fact, she had been taken away hidden in the boot or back seat of a car.

If so, which car — and who was driving?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...k/news-story/18e67718c36c1ba72e1d527b6c0d146d

BBM.

 

[Unit45]

If this is the case have the police got CCTV prior to said dates?

 

[Wonky1]

that puzzles me a bit. I went away on Saturday 2nd of July, returning Sunday 3rd. I'm sure I heard helicopters prior to that weekend and someone posted on local facebook page what are those helicopters for and others were saying they're looking for a missing woman. I'm sure that was before the Saturday press conference....but I guess my recollection is wrong.

 

[sweetcaro]

Very interesting article indeed and I agree Makara, interesting to read between the lines. I think he echoed a lot of what we are thinking. Very surprised to see the delay in her being reported missing. I wouid LOVE to see Borce's phone records for that time, did he call Karen often as any concerned husband would? Hmm.

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[Oona]

Very interesting article indeed and I agree Makara, interesting to read between the lines. I think he echoed a lot of what we are thinking. Very surprised to see the delay in her being reported missing. I wouid LOVE to see Borce's phone records for that time, did he call Karen often as any concerned husband would? Hmm.

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Good point about the phone records. Prior to the "ping" information being released all we were told was that Karen's phone was switched off. So was it switched off (and when) or did the battery run flat?

 

[Makara]

Good point about the phone records. Prior to the "ping" information being released all we were told was that Karen's phone was switched off. So was it switched off (and when) or did the battery run flat?

It was not until late last month that police jogged Borce Ristevski’s memory, divulging that on the day his wife vanished, her mobile phone had been traced to the Gisborne area, 40km from Avondale Heights.

On the same day, Mr Ristevski’s phone was also detected on the Calder Highway near Diggers Rest, but, oddly, it had been turned off for two hours that day.

BBM: In Andrew Rule's article he states that BR's phone had been turned off. I read that as being past tense, ie, that is had been turned off prior to pinging near Diggers Rest. It may be that BR's phone battery had run flat and two hours is not unreasonable to re-charge it but if he was charging it in the car on 12V, it would have taken longer. Someone who knows more about mobile phones could probably shed more light on this.

 

[Makara]

Another gem from Andrew Rule.

It’s not giving away secret law enforcement “methodology” to state the obvious: police will have studied vehicle and mobile telephone movements.

CAR movements and phone use are the basic tools that can show if there are any holes in the stories of people who interest investigators most.

Such as, for instance, whether anyone has neglected to mention when and where they travelled around the key times on June 29.

Stress plays tricks with people’s memories.

BBM: Another way of saying person or people of interest perhaps? And people who've just committed murder would obviously be under a huge amount of stress, especially when talking to police.

 

[moreinfo]

According to Andrew Rule's article, Karen was last seen on Wednesday 29 June and her daughter didn't report her missing until the following Saturday! Where did BR and SR think Karen had gone? So Karen doesn't come home on Wednesday night, doesn't turn up at her shop on Thursday, doesn't come home on Thursday night and it's the same thing all over again on Friday! SR finally chose to report her mother missing on the Saturday!! Unbelievable!!!

I found reading between the lines of Andrew Rule's article very interesting and he reveals quite a lot.

Yes, what stopped SR from calling police the first day she went missing?
Her mums car was home that evening on 29 June? Not too many stories BR could give SR. If he told her the truth and said she went for a walk and didn't return, then SR would have instantly thought "oh no somethings happened on the walk, shes been taken etc, we need to call the police"
Did BR tell SR that her mum was going to be away for a few days and not tell her what he told police about her 10am walk to cool off?
Did he say ,look your mothers done this before, lets just give her a few days and she'll be back.
So i'd imagine there'd be 100's of missed calls from SR's phone to KR's phone trying to get a hold of her. Strange if there wasn't!
Why is KR's brother over every week? Is it to try and get BR to go over the last few days before KR disappeared to check the consistency of the story. Drinking pals with a motive to extract info under the influence?

 

[SouthAussie]

Wow ... things aren't looking too good for Borce, are they?
Andrew Rule is such a good writer. His articles are so informative.

It will be very interesting to hear what Borce told everyone. Was it the same story? Did he tell the shop staff that Karen had gone away on business for however long, and told Sarah that Karen was off in a snit and she'd be back (as moreinfo says)? Was his story consistent? Probably not, if he didn't want people to get concerned. How long did he think that could go on for??

If Karen is out there in a 'familiar' place, I sure as heck hope that AR is assisting police with where those familiar places may be. He has run his mouth off about everything else. And apparently Sarah is not going to be a big help in that regard.

 

[sleepinoz]

I think Mr Rule is incorrect in stating that Karen wasn't reported missing for 3 days.

Victoria Police tweeted about Karen being missing at 6:11 AM - 30 Jun 2016

[video=twitter;748504210023411712]https://twitter.com/victoriapolice/status/748504210023411712[/video]

ETA Pic of tweet as time changed when posting

 

[Itsapuzzle]

I think Mr Rule is incorrect in stating that Karen wasn't reported missing for 3 days.

Victoria Police tweeted about Karen being missing at 6:11 AM - 30 Jun 2016

[video=twitter;748504210023411712]https://twitter.com/victoriapolice/status/748504210023411712[/video]

ETA Pic of tweet as time changed when posting

Good heavens! Excellent pickup, Sleepinoz! That information re the 3 days before reporting to police I found to be the most important revelation in article, was gonna change a few of my theories .... and yet it seems to be not so, h'mm, how or why would he report that falsity - error or tactic🤔

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[SouthAussie]

I think Mr Rule is incorrect in stating that Karen wasn't reported missing for 3 days.

Victoria Police tweeted about Karen being missing at 6:11 AM - 30 Jun 2016

It is interesting, isn't it? Not like Andrew Rule to make a mistake like that. Especially when the tweet is out there for everyone to see. So I am looking at his wording a lot closer.

And it sort of has me wondering if someone else (shop staff?) notified police that they thought it highly unusual that Karen had suddenly disappeared without calling/texting/telling them she was going away. Possibly, police made a cursory wellness check (no, she's not here, she has gone off in a snit, she always comes back), tried to call Karen, sent out the tweet, and then Sarah followed up with the official report on the Saturday. Police may have said 'if she is not back in 48 hours we'd like to know' ???

I wish we could see the first police announcement about it on their website again ... but it is long gone.

 

[Wonky1]

Thankyou sleeping in oz. I thought i was losing my mind. I was sure i knew she was missing before that weekend. I was disturbed by it because of not taking kids to park that morning
and scanning internet for updates on the saturday. I wouldnt have thought if she was reported missing on the sat theyd have been straight to media appeal. Need to check phone and bank first.

 

[Wonky1]

There were helicopters looking for her sometime between wed and sat morning. I left melb sat morning

 

[SouthAussie]

There were helicopters looking for her sometime between wed and sat morning. I left melb sat morning

I have been googling to see if I can find the helicopters searching for her. Can't find anything. Sounds like MSM didn't get on it until the Saturday when the public pleas were made by family, as they didn't seem to take any pics of the helicopter search.