Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #6

[Armchair snoop]

It was not until late last month that police jogged Borce Ristevski’s memory, divulging that on the day his wife vanished, her mobile phone had been traced to the Gisborne area, 40km from Avondale Heights.

I find it strange that police jogged BRs memory on a number of issues on the day KR was reported missing. The phone pings, taking her car for a drive to fix the sticky fuel gauge etc. I still know where I was when man landed on the moon, when Princess Di was killed and when September 11 happened, and I'm old and my memory is supposed to be fading. Certain moments in history that have an impact on your life seem to take longer to fade.

 

[Armchair snoop]

I wish we could figure out what Andrew is trying to say. How did the police tweet on 1st July come about? Was it others who reported to police first, and not family? Is that what he is trying to say? :thinking:

Or did Sarah go to the police late at night on the 1st July, and by the time she signed a report it was officially 2nd July but still the same night? Nah .. that seems a bit not-right. lol


ETA: Sarah probably Facebooked her mother's friends before she reported to police, if there was social media talking about Karen being missing prior to the police talking about it or knowing about it.

I would say that Andrew Rule would have information that is 'off the record' and as such has to be careful in what he is able to publish. As Makara says I think you need to read between the lines.

 

[Unit45]

I would say that Andrew Rule would have information that is 'off the record' and as such has to be careful in what he is able to publish. As Makara says I think you need to read between the lines.

Too true.

 

[Makara]

If I'm reading it correctly then the writer of that article seems convinced that BR is responsible for Karen's disappearance. I just wonder how he can make such assertions in the absence of any solid proof - to do so, he is running the risk of being sued for libel.

It's standard practice for the newspaper's legal eagles to advise on whether or not to publish a particular article, or certain parts of an article. It looks like Andrew Rule got the go ahead.

 

[Makara]

I wonder if Rule is correct or incorrect about the date police interviewed BR. If it wasn't until nine days after Karen's disappearance, it's a little more plausible that he didn't remember his trip up the Calder.

"The last time Mrs Ristevski was seen was June 29, a Wednesday. It wasn’t until July 2, the following Saturday, distraught daughter Sarah told police and made a plea for help to find her mother. Six days later, police interviewed Borce, who maintained he and Karen had argued at the house over finances before she left for a walk to “clear her head” about 10am."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...k/news-story/18e67718c36c1ba72e1d527b6c0d146d (same link as before)

From memory BR was interviewed by police on 5 July. That is six days after Karen disappeared on 29 June.

 

[SouthAussie]

Apparently, Borce was formally interviewed on Friday 8th July. Though I would imagine/hope that he provided the police with some 'relevant' info before that.


Detectives from the missing persons squad have confirmed they questioned Mr Ristevski about his wife's disappearance last Friday. He has since been released pending further inquiries.
"A 52-year-old Avondale Heights man was interviewed on Friday," a police spokeswoman said. "The investigation remains ongoing."

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/k...s-mother-karen-ristevski-20160711-gq3fw0.html
JULY 11 2016

 

[SouthAussie]

I would say that Andrew Rule would have information that is 'off the record' and as such has to be careful in what he is able to publish. As Makara says I think you need to read between the lines.

Agreed.
And what I read between the lines about the reporting to the police of Karen going missing is ... it was not done by Borce at all, Sarah reported it on Sat 2nd July, and an unspecified 'someone else' reported it prior to the police announcement late on Thursday 30th June (as per moreinfo's post and pic on previous page).


ETA: Correction. Sarah didn't report it at all, she 'told' police. So perhaps she told them when a police officer came knocking at the door to follow up further on the missing persons report.
Maybe the aunt reported it.

 

[Makara]

:thinking:

Apparently, Borce was formally interviewed on Friday 8th July. Though I would imagine/hope that he provided the police with some 'relevant' info before that.


Detectives from the missing persons squad have confirmed they questioned Mr Ristevski about his wife's disappearance last Friday. He has since been released pending further inquiries.
"A 52-year-old Avondale Heights man was interviewed on Friday," a police spokeswoman said. "The investigation remains ongoing."

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/k...s-mother-karen-ristevski-20160711-gq3fw0.html
JULY 11 2016

Thanks SA. I don't know where I got 5th July from. :thinking: :blushing:

 

[SouthAussie]

:thinking:

Thanks SA. I don't know where I got 5th July from. :thinking: :blushing:

I only knew because I looked it up just last night, after JLZ commented on the length of time until Borce was formally interviewed. I thought 'wow, that is a long time, I wonder what the hold up was?' I can never remember dates very well, and am constantly looking back at links to remind myself. :findinglink:

 

[JLZ]

The photograph of Karen with an athletic-looking man with his face blurred out, wearing an 'Elwood 96' T-shirt, source: Facebook. Who is that man? Is it SJ? The fact of the face distortion made me curious.

 

[sleepinoz]

The photograph of Karen with an athletic-looking man with his face blurred out, wearing an 'Elwood 96' T-shirt, source: Facebook. Who is that man? Is it SJ? The fact of the face distortion made me curious.

Brother - SW

 

[steve richardson]

I find it hard to believe that in a missing person situation BR could not fully detail his time line 100% correctly in his first statement to police.
Everyone knows that in a missing or homicide case of a woman who is married then the first prime suspect is always the husband as they are obviously
the closest person to them & usually last to have seen them. If I haven't done the crime I am making sure I don't leave out any detail in a time frame when interviewed. At the
second interview after finding out the police may have pinged mobile phones I suddenly remember a couple of things I did do. Not that taking the
wife's car for a 2 hour drive really matters! I also forgot to mention in that first interview that on the day she went missing I approached
neighbours for any CCTV recordings. That first interview police were told by BR that he spent the day at home. Must have been so busy at home he
just forgot to mention he actually did leave the home. No one forgets to mention they drove the wifes car on the day
she went missing unless you don't want it known for a reason.The only reason I believe BR asked neighbours if they had CCTV was to see
if he was shown driving Karen's car.
BR said in an interview after AR had made claims in the media "All I'm interested in right now is the facts" guess what BR so is everyone else
so why did you fail to mention vital facts from day 1?


That loss of time Karen went missing until police were notified is a big concern as they say the firsgt 48 hours is so vital for clues.


I have no doubt that SR knows a lot more than she has let on. The police have put in their messages "anyone with courage to speak to police should"
I wonder if the police actually know exactly what time SR left the home (through phone or CCTV) & if it mirrors her time recorded in her statement?
Usually police say anyone with 'information' to contact them so the word 'courage' replacing 'information' suggests they know someone has information
& someone is stopping them them from passing it on. Why would someone need courage?, unless your protecting someone maybe?
I think it's only directed at one person.


'SR' said "it's not like her to miss work as well".
Karen's aunty said 'It's not Karen, Karen would not leave us".
A friend of Karen's said on whether she was hiding "she wouldn't do that to her daughter" - strange no mention 'wouldn't do that to her daughter & husband
or just 'family'.


But then we hear:
BR said to family "an evil person may have adducted her".
VR said shortly after she went mising that Karens disappearance was out of character then two months later he said
"she is secretly hiding from her family overseas". Two very big contradictions & only proves VR had little to do with Karen on his two assumptions over
a period of weeks. Dissapearing was out of charachter then to hiding overseas??.
BR said no one knows what happened I wouldn't want to speculate". You wouldn't want to speculate but your prepared to say she was abducted
& VR thinks she did a runner to hide from family when family are saying she wouldn't do that??
Might have paid to tell VR not to speculate rather than the public & media to.


I doubt that the arguement was over a few hundred dollars missing from the previous days takings when your in a mountain of debt
and at risk of losing your home. Where was the unpaid rent money going? It must have been a lot of money in unpaid rent for a caveat to
go on the property. I think the arguement wasn't about a few hundred dollars but more about losing the home.


I think the police would love to nail someone right now & may have enough to go close but they want to find a body. That law 'no body information
from a convicted killer then no parole' should be in all states of Australia or any country. It's one way to ensure the info is given nearly 100%
of the time as often the convicted still maintain innocence. The most used final words at execution time isn't "I am sorry" or "give my love to my
family" but "I didn't do it I'm innocent".

I posted a while back that certain people were following sites such as this and social media sites with fake profiles to post from.
The message was cryptic, sorry if it was confuising to some but it achieved the desired result as two of the worst offenders 48 hours ago disappeared
along with all their postings as it became 100% evident who they were and they were advised of that.


I have my thoughts which haven't changed from day 1 and all that has changed since then is that after going through all the info online and
raeding how it is progressing it just makes me realise what a tough job the police sometimes have to try and get a sucessful conviction.

 

[sleepinoz]

Apparently, Borce was formally interviewed on Friday 8th July. Though I would imagine/hope that he provided the police with some 'relevant' info before that.


Detectives from the missing persons squad have confirmed they questioned Mr Ristevski about his wife's disappearance last Friday. He has since been released pending further inquiries.
"A 52-year-old Avondale Heights man was interviewed on Friday," a police spokeswoman said. "The investigation remains ongoing."

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/k...s-mother-karen-ristevski-20160711-gq3fw0.html
JULY 11 2016

I think Friday 8th would have been his first 'formal' interview at the Police Station - In a room with Detectives, being recorded..... - "He has since been released pending further inquiries".

No doubt he would have been informally interviewed when Police first knew Karen was missing, which would have been when he forgot to tell them about his little joy ride.

 

[Armchair snoop]

steve richardson, GREAT POST well said :goodpost:

 

[Unit45]

Whether Steve could answer this question?

Do you know if SR has a close relationship with Karen's Aunt?

 

[steve richardson]

Yes she was close and she was a typical caring Aunt she was at our Aunts wedding in March as was BR and Karen. The Aunty is a hard shot and doesn't take any crap believe me I know she used to babysit me ha ha. I was invited to the wedding but sadly let work get in the way. Sometimes no most times family should come first so a poor effort on my part and one I regret not doing now as it would be a few years since I had last seen Karen and unfortunately I won't ever get the chance again now to see her ever again. As soon as our Aunty heard Karen was missing she dropped everything and was on a plane 2 or 3 days later and stayed for a week so I think that shows how close she was to the family.

 

[Itsapuzzle]

Spontaneous thought. H'mm, AR says he talked with BR about the family 'secret' 10 years ago (SR would have been 10 and of course wouldn't have been privy to such conversation) but it was swept under the carpet. 10 years on, AR phones and has explosive phone call with KR - was SR in the house at the time hearing these accusations for the first time? Did they all head up to Diggers Rest on the fateful day? Or did something happen in the home when all this came out to SR for the first time! I think it's all about this and basically the jig is up, just a matter of time
now 🤔 in my opinion.

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[Itsapuzzle]

Yes she was close and she was a typical caring Aunt she was at our Aunts wedding in March as was BR and Karen. The Aunty is a hard shot and doesn't take any crap believe me I know she used to babysit me ha ha. I was invited to the wedding but sadly let work get in the way. Sometimes no most times family should come first so a poor effort on my part and one I regret not doing now as it would be a few years since I had last seen Karen and unfortunately I won't ever get the chance again now to see her ever again. As soon as our Aunty heard Karen was missing she dropped everything and was on a plane 2 or 3 days later and stayed for a week so I think that shows how close she was to the family.

I didn't realise the aunt came over from New Zealand, thought she lived nearby, what a lovely lady.

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[Pepper77]

Yes she was close and she was a typical caring Aunt she was at our Aunts wedding in March as was BR and Karen. The Aunty is a hard shot and doesn't take any crap believe me I know she used to babysit me ha ha. I was invited to the wedding but sadly let work get in the way. Sometimes no most times family should come first so a poor effort on my part and one I regret not doing now as it would be a few years since I had last seen Karen and unfortunately I won't ever get the chance again now to see her ever again. As soon as our Aunty heard Karen was missing she dropped everything and was on a plane 2 or 3 days later and stayed for a week so I think that shows how close she was to the family.

She could still be alive.

 

[emirates1957]

SR wore Gucci shoes to the press conference didn't she? She'd know which of her mum's shoes were missing, imo, if they're a Gucci and Coach kind of family.

In catch up mode at the moment from memory I believe they were a grey/black Coach brand shoe.