Australia Australia - Lynette Dawson, 34, Sydney, Jan 1982 *Arrest* #2

[SouthAussie]

God knows , Joanne perhaps is owed this day, all things considered.

But I honestly think it isn't Joanne, mainly because her testimony is tainted ( in the legal sense, not in a personal sense ) by her divorce and custody affidavits to the courts back in the day. And her subsequent marriage , albeit fraught, with Chris, is a handicap in this manner of charge.

I think it's someone else, maybe that young lady who was the prefect at Cromer, .. I think she was a prefect, I might have that a bit off..

She was in the podcast, she was also a babysitter at one stage unless I am combining two girls, and was a superb testifier, with a razor sharp recall and a real sense of the long lasting horror of the dubious reign of the Dawson Bro's at Cromer, and, as is now well known, at other high schools , and private schools as well.

I think it might be someone else, as well. Joanne has a child born in wedlock with him, then divorced him, and has assisted in providing evidence for Dawson's arrest for Lyn's murder.

I think these things could prejudice any court case of historical sex charges.

And what would it do if she was called as a witness in Dawson's murder trial? Would it prejudice her testimony there, as well? "Don't you have a current case against Mr Dawson? Are you out to get him?"

 

[Gardenista]

God knows , Joanne perhaps is owed this day, all things considered.

But I honestly think it isn't Joanne, mainly because her testimony is tainted ( in the legal sense, not in a personal sense ) by her divorce and custody affidavits to the courts back in the day. And her subsequent marriage , albeit fraught, with Chris, is a handicap in this manner of charge.

I think it's someone else, maybe that young lady who was the prefect at Cromer, .. I think she was a prefect, I might have that a bit off..

She was in the podcast, she was also a babysitter at one stage unless I am combining two girls, and was a superb testifier, with a razor sharp recall and a real sense of the long lasting horror of the dubious reign of the Dawson Bro's at Cromer, and, as is now well known, at other high schools , and private schools as well.

I'm not familiar with the laws there, but if they have evidence other than her testimony, I don't see a problem.

 

[they'll get you]

Chris Dawson was charged over allegations of sexual intercourse with a student in 1980

detectives from Strike Force Southwood charged Mr Dawson with carnal knowledge by a teacher of a girl between the ages of 10 and 17.

"He has been given strict conditional bail to attend the Downing Centre [Court] on August 8."

The charge relates to a female Cromer High student who was 16-years-old in 1980, he said.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/chr...elationship-with-student-20190620-p51znt.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Chris Dawson was charged over allegations of sexual intercourse with a student in 1980

detectives from Strike Force Southwood charged Mr Dawson with carnal knowledge by a teacher of a girl between the ages of 10 and 17.

"He has been given strict conditional bail to attend the Downing Centre [Court] on August 8."

The charge relates to a female Cromer High student who was 16-years-old in 1980, he said.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/chr...elationship-with-student-20190620-p51znt.html

This bloke just keeps getting bail for everything. Though I guess historical charges can't put him away without bail.

Is there a chance that he was mucking around with another youngster as well as Joanne, in 1980? I am trying to remember the podcast. His former babysitter seemed to allude to some kind of hanky panky with him. Would she have been around in 1980? Before Joanne moved in and took over babysitting duties.

One thing is for sure, karma has finally reached out to grab him. His golden years are proving to be mighty tarnished.

 

[they'll get you]

‘It’s expected he’ll plead not guilt on the new charges as he says he met the girl when she was 16 but didn’t sleep with her until she was of legal age of 17’

Seven Nightly News.

 

[they'll get you]

This bloke just keeps getting bail for everything. Though I guess historical charges can't put him away without bail.

Is there a chance that he was mucking around with another youngster as well as Joanne, in 1980? I am trying to remember the podcast. His former babysitter seemed to allude to some kind of hanky panky with him. Would she have been around in 1980? Before Joanne moved in and took over babysitting duties.

One thing is for sure, karma has finally reached out to grab him. His golden years are proving to be mighty tarnished.

I’m pissed to think he’s had so many years of freedom!

I hope he doesn’t have a heart attack before justice is served.

 

[SouthAussie]

‘It’s expected he’ll plead not guilt on the new charges as he says he met the girl when she was 16 but didn’t sleep with her until she was of legal age of 17’

Seven Nightly News.

I just had a quick look at a timeline from The Australian.

- In 1980, Dawson and his brother were playing rugby league with the Belrose Eagles.
- Joanne, 16, was in Dawson's Year 11 class ... Dawson having altered the roll to make sure she was in his class, he had noticed her the prior year.
- In July 1980, Dawson becomes Joanne's friend and 'protector'. Asked her to start babysitting his kids.
- Towards the end of 1980, he first had sex with Joanne at his parents house. Then that continued in his own house while Lyn while sleeping.

NoCookies | The Australian
From 1965 to now - Thursday, June 20, 2019


How old was the babysitter that they had before Joanne? She was a young one, too, wasn't she?
Was Joanne still 16 towards the end of 1980?

Not saying that these historical charges are not by Joanne, because we just don't know.
I am just apprehensive because I can see his lawyer vehemently putting doubt on her testimony during the murder trial, if she has started historical charges against Dawson at this point in time.
I don't want any doubt in a jury's mind. He needs to finally pay the price for Lyn's murder and everything else.

 

[DRT]

A couple of comments are the last podcast before Hedley had a break to let the DPP get their act in order Hedley mentioned the Clairvoyant and basically said they provided no information that wasn't already available at the time from memory.

With regard to the charges about the 16 year old, they can't mention the name because she was a minor but I would have to think he married the victim. The difference now with the meeting of former students there are many witnesses so it is not an ex-wife's word against the ex-husband.

I just hope "Alice" is around to keep the twins together. Paul will have to take a second thought before he goes shopping over the border.

 

[DRT]

I’m pissed to think he’s had so many years of freedom!

I hope he doesn’t have a heart attack before justice is served.

Yes the carnal knowledge was mentioned in the 1st inquest in 2001.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes the carnal knowledge was mentioned in the 1st inquest in 2001.

Carnal knowledge with Joanne? With others?

 

[DRT]

Carnal knowledge with Joanne? With others?

I'll have to check if it was others as well. The catalyst from the first inquest was from Joanne. They were certainly aware at the age that she moved in as babysitter. She made statements to police as soon as she got back to Sydney because she feared for her life. The focus on the article Hedley Thomas wrote for the Courier Mail in 2001 was about Lyn's murder not specifically about carnal knowledge.

There was a 1991 interview as well with Chris which was on the Australian website. His story was different to Joannes.

 

[SouthAussie]

I'll have to check if it was others as well. The catalyst from the first inquest was from Joanne. They were certainly aware at the age that she moved in as babysitter. She made statements to police as soon as she got back to Sydney because she feared for her life. The focus on the article Hedley Thomas wrote for the Courier Mail in 2001 was about Lyn's murder not specifically about carnal knowledge.

There was a 1991 interview as well with Chris which was on the Australian website. His story was different to Joannes.

Thanks. I am particularly interested in the age of the previous babysitter (in 1980), as I think she babysat for the first half of 1980, at least.
Not able to find that info myself, did a quick look... in case you happen to stumble on it.

 

[SouthAussie]

I have been waiting to see what The Australian says about these historical charges, seeing that they are the initiators (and owners?) of the podcast. Here are some snippets .... (it also speaks about his not guilty plea for the murder charge, and how his lawyer released "selected" parts of the evidence on the court steps outside afterwards, with a spokesperson from the Law Society refusing to comment on his lawyer releasing evidence).


"Former star footballer Chris Dawson was charged yesterday with a sex offence against a 16-year-old girl when he was a teacher on Sydney’s northern beaches, within hours of pleading not guilty to murdering his wife."

"Detectives from Strike Force Southwood charged the 70-year-old with carnal knowledge.
The strike force was established last July to investigate allegations in The Australian’s podcast series The Teacher’s Pet of sexual assaults and student-teacher relationships at northern beaches schools in the 1970s and 1980s."

"NSW police say the investigation is ongoing, raising the prospect that further charges could arise against either Mr Dawson or other teachers."

"The Australian understands at the time it was an offence punishable with up to 14 years’ imprisonment for teachers to have sex with female students under 17."

"Former Cromer High School vice-captain Robyn Wheeler was the first to raise concerns in the podcast about teachers preying on students.
“I’m delighted that women who were girls at the time are now being heard and taken seriously,” Ms Wheeler said yesterday."

"Law firm Maurice Blackburn has been instructed to act for six people over allegations of historical abuse at schools on Sydney’s northern beaches, The Australian revealed last month."

"Police had arranged with the man’s lawyers for him to be brought to the police station after a court appearance earlier in the day, he said."

"Mr Walsh yesterday twice asked for Mr Dawson’s bail to be varied so he could visit his stepson and another family member on the Gold Coast."

NoCookies | The Australian
Teacher’s Pet case: Chris Dawson on teen sex charge - Friday, June 21, 2019

 

[Trooper]

I bet Mr Walsh, Dawson's barrister is rethinking his 'doorstep' activities, because there can be no greater trump card that the DPP can play in return volley than an extra charge, ( of a particularly repellent nature ) on your client within the hour of shooting off a denigrating comment on the Public Prosecutor's program.

There has to be a large degree of trepidation in the Dawson camp this morning, as to the incipient arrival of a few well shod constables with yet another swag of paperwork outlining the next lot of charges, of perhaps even more of a repulsive nature.

You wouldn't want to be a Dawson, today. Or, I suspect, a Dawson enabler, because I think there is going to be a bit of a fallout to all those enablers that cheerfully patted the Dawson twins on the back and encouraged them on their way.

 

[Trooper]

a shout out of thanks to South Aussie, re Robin Wheeler, who is, to my mind , a definite starter in the witness stakes.

 

[Trooper]

Thanks. I am particularly interested in the age of the previous babysitter (in 1980), as I think she babysat for the first half of 1980, at least.
Not able to find that info myself, did a quick look... in case you happen to stumble on it.

I thought that was Miss Wheeler, but I now think it was another girl, a well spoken and got-it-together Northern Beaches young matron who was the one who bought up Chris flicking Lynn with the towel, among other things. She felt quite strongly at the time, and certainly afterwards that she was being groomed persistently by Chris, and also, as an aside, Paul, as well.

She was also a student at Cromer, a student both of Paul and Chris, and let's not forget the outstanding personnel choice the head master made appointing Chris , and Paul as teaching Sexual Education. For years!... one year after the other.

It was from this pool that the high school boys who were a bit leery of the Dawson twins arose, and I hope one of them is a witness, also.

 

[SouthAussie]

a shout out of thanks to South Aussie, re Robin Wheeler, who is, to my mind , a definite starter in the witness stakes.

Yes, I always like to read these The Australian articles in this case. They have a lot of stake in this case, and are always super careful to be very factual ... I'm sure Dawson's lawyer would love to drag The Australian through court if they give him one iota of a chance to do so.

 

[Pi Thoughts]

Hallelujah, praise the lord! It’s happening at last. ( I haven’t converted, hubby and I on a music/concert hopping tour in mid USA atm. Gospel and blues the last few days)
Anyway, at the Bravehearts Q&A I attended earlier this year, from the innuendo and general feeling, I came away extremely confident that there would be more charges (plural). Let’s hope Police are stockpiling them, I’m sure this won’t be the end.
Then let’s see the testosterone driven twin wiggle out of this one. Not so funny now CD.
The woman who appeared with Hedley that day was a former student and she spoke of how CD would lock staff room doors with girls inside, drive students in his car etc...so plenty of opportunity for sexual activities and I bet he was not asking for birth certificates for proof of age.
All IMO and MOO

 

[Trooper]

Of course, laying down the extra charges, that directly relate to the murder of Lynn within an hour of Dawson's Not Guilty plea could be construed as a major contamination of the jury pool, etc.

No doubt, Mr Walsh will want the trial moved to Broome, or Hobart , just in case, but I think the DPP will get away with it. It was a master stroke of tipping the Defence cart over, but something of that nature was well overdue and certainly owed to Lynnette Dawson, all things added up.

 

[SouthAussie]

I bet Mr Walsh, Dawson's barrister is rethinking his 'doorstep' activities, because there can be no greater trump card that the DPP can play in return volley than an extra charge, ( of a particularly repellent nature ) on your client within the hour of shooting off a denigrating comment on the Public Prosecutor's program.

There has to be a large degree of trepidation in the Dawson camp this morning, as to the incipient arrival of a few well shod constables with yet another swag of paperwork outlining the next lot of charges, of perhaps even more of a repulsive nature.

You wouldn't want to be a Dawson, today. Or, I suspect, a Dawson enabler, because I think there is going to be a bit of a fallout to all those enablers that cheerfully patted the Dawson twins on the back and encouraged them on their way.

I think Mr Walsh was trying to deflect publication of what he knew was coming up, when he gave his little court steps spiel about a clairvoyant and a 99 year old witness (releasing evidence).

He had already arranged for Dawson to go into the police station after his not guilty plea and be arrested and bailed on the historical charge. Probably was hoping he could sneak Dawson in and out with no fuss, and that maybe the press wouldn't catch wind of the historical charge so quickly and blast it all over their MSM pages.
Maybe hoping that the evidence he released on the court steps about the murder trial would take precedence in the MSM publications, as the journos rushed back to get that story out. (Weak story that it is.)

It is all about manoeuvering and manipulation with these people. imo