Australia Australia - Lynette Dawson, 34, Sydney, Jan 1982 *Arrest*

[Cliff Hardy]

There would seem to be no good reason why excavation shouldn't begin almost straight away at Bayview.

Pretty sure I heard in a recent podcast there are funds on offer to reimburse the current owners for any inconvenience. In fact I thought I heard Hedley say they had enough money pledged that the Bayview property could be purchased with the express intention of extensive excavation.

 

[k-mac]

Hedley in his interview on Studio 10 this week still states Joanne moved in 2 days after Joanne’s disappearance

the police statements of chris and joanne state the 15th.
which is what I base that all on.

interestingly vanessa who went up the coast with joanne by plane contradicts those dates totally.
but she is very blazay about it all with the exception that the 15th is her birthday.



so maybe c&l Hedley discounts the police statements?????

aah everytime I think something is settled boom!!!! muddied up again.

here is vanessas statement.
https://theaustralianatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/vanessa-worrall-statement.pdf

 

[Cliff Hardy]

going back thru the podcasts, it was mentioned that the Dawson family were Catholic, and it occurred to me that there must have been some heavy rope pulling to get these two men into the Catholic school system after their eventual bad odour with the State system, which has to be how Chris Dawson got the job at an all girls boarding college .

Again, putting the fox in charge of the henhouse, but in those days, and probably still , it seems to be a requirement that in order to advance thru the Catholic teaching system, there has to be some illegal sexual activity with children in the background... runs on the board, so to speak.

And interestingly, the third Mrs Dawson didn't get on with Paul and Marilyn, ( whoda thunk ? ) which is why Chris was living 9 hours away up in Yeppon, I think.

That Chris and Paul are now living 9 hours apart was a huge revelation.

It seemed for decades they were literally joined at the umbilical cord. It is hard - perhaps impossible - to believe that Chris' partner could have been the sole reason for their separation.

Perhaps the heat of inevitable legal action became too much for Paul & Marilyn - perhaps Marilyn in particular?

 

[Cliff Hardy]

How Peter Dawson was able to hi jack that inquest , although, as things turned out, he didn't hi jack the coroner, who summed it up as murder of Lynnette by Chris in no uncertain terms is, I can only think , was because the Sim's family didn't have a solicitor , or even better, a barrister to represent them , who would have thrown out Peter Dawson as being too close, and still legally related to the Sims family, (his nieces were their nieces and grandchildren, divorce doesn't sever that tie )

And that tie would have been enough , so it's a pity they didn't engage one.

It was very clever of Chris and Paul and Marilyn ( Marilyn particularly ) to stay as far away from each inquest as was possible. To turn up would have put each of them in the position of being compelled onto the stand, by the coroner, who has terrific power in his/her own court. Paul Dawson would have been able to do nothing about that, so it was probably his advice that kept them well and truly absent.

But ,you know, an innocent bloke would want to know! that 's what you'd reckon.

Just the fact that no curiosity seemed to have bothered them , about Lynn and her disappearance, that the flimsy fact of perhaps a religious guy in the neighborhood going door to door was enough for the three of them to accept deeply and so very very quickly, that Lynn had left them forever , never to return, no matter what, …. such a strange and strong belief based on such flimsy and unsubstantiated evidence ...

I have no doubt Peter Dawson would have insisted Chris, Paul & Marily didn't attend the inquests.

I think it was in ep12 that Marilyn said during questioning by the police words to the effect of : Of course I would be willing to attend and offer what I know but I don't want to incriminate Chris.

Marilyn mentioning "incriminating Chris" really had my attention.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Listening to the replay of Peter Dawson, the solicitor brother, at the inquest, and re reading his letter to the author of the book, etc.. I am struck at how aggressive and declarative and absolutely certain Peter is about Lynnette's voluntary exit.

When all he has to go on, is third hand ….. he didn't see or hear about the religious cult bloke , he only heard about him thru Paul and Marilyn and Chris.. he didn't see or know about Lynn's use of her bankcard, he heard about it from Chris and Paul and Marilyn . He didn't see, or hear Lynn go to the bus stop, Chris told him about that. Things of that nature.

Actually, all of Peter's definitive and firm claims, which he used as an officer of the court were third hand claims, there were none of his own volition. Except, and rather telling, I thought , was his unasked for declaration of brotherly love for Lynnette, which is odd, considering the rest of his declarations in regard to Lynnette.

Families can be thick as thieves, and perhaps none more so than this Dawson tribe.

In my opinion Paul not only knows exactly what happened to Lyn, he may well have been directly , even physically involved.

As for Peter, like any defense mouth piece, he couldn't give a damn if his client is as guilty as sin, and being Chris' brother that applies even more so. His behavior at the inquests was appalling, by with hindsight, almost totally predictable.

 

[k-mac]

so
if vanessa's statement is correct (and that's what Hedley is working on ) chris drove up through the night Saturday and he and joanne returned to sydney sunday morning.
this actually fits better.
he was desperate to be with joanne (and joanne was desperate to be with him)so makes sense he flew up there immediately to get her.

why then have chris and joanne stuck to the 15th even after all this time?

thanks ( I thinklol...more worms in the can!) c&l for pointing hedleys continued timeline discrepancy out.

this is extremely incriminating for joanne.

 

[Trooper]

That Chris and Paul are now living 9 hours apart was a huge revelation.

It seemed for decades they were literally joined at the umbilical cord. It is hard - perhaps impossible - to believe that Chris' partner could have been the sole reason for their separation.

Perhaps the heat of inevitable legal action became too much for Paul & Marilyn - perhaps Marilyn in particular?

Chris has now moved a bit closer to Paul … Paul still on the Gold Coast, Chris at Noosa, but the 9 hours was , I gathered from Chapter 13, at the insistence of Mrs CD #3..

I don't find that as difficult to believe as perhaps you do, this was Chris's 3rd try at the marital stakes, a lot riding on it, and he may finally have had to pull his head out of his you know what and co-operate..

And I suspect, or speculate, that the reason for Mrs CD#3 's distancing was Marilyn. Welcome to the thread.

( I cant help it. Are you the REAL Cliff Hardy?.. ( faints ) …...

 

[Jennifer17]

Chris has now moved a bit closer to Paul … Paul still on the Gold Coast, Chris at Noosa, but the 9 hours was , I gathered from Chapter 13, at the insistence of Mrs CD #3..

I don't find that as difficult to believe as perhaps you do, this was Chris's 3rd try at the marital stakes, a lot riding on it, and he may finally have had to pull his head out of his you know what and co-operate..

And I suspect, or speculate, that the reason for Mrs CD#3 's distancing was Marilyn. Welcome to the thread.

( I cant help it. Are you the REAL Cliff Hardy?.. ( faints ) …...

I wonder what Mrs CD3 thinks about this. After 25 years she would have come to know him well.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Chris has now moved a bit closer to Paul … Paul still on the Gold Coast, Chris at Noosa, but the 9 hours was , I gathered from Chapter 13, at the insistence of Mrs CD #3..

I don't find that as difficult to believe as perhaps you do, this was Chris's 3rd try at the marital stakes, a lot riding on it, and he may finally have had to pull his head out of his you know what and co-operate..

And I suspect, or speculate, that the reason for Mrs CD#3 's distancing was Marilyn. Welcome to the thread.

( I cant help it. Are you the REAL Cliff Hardy?.. ( faints ) …...

Perhaps after 2 failed marriages, God knows how many flings and all these years, Chris has finally started thinking with his other brain?

Am I Cliff Hardy? Born and raised in working class Maroubra, ex-army, law student dropout, insurance company investigator, now turned Private Eye?

Now that would be telling, wouldn't it.

 

[Trooper]

Families can be thick as thieves, and perhaps none more so than this Dawson tribe.

In my opinion Paul not only knows exactly what happened to Lyn, he may well have been directly , even physically involved.

As for Peter, like any defense mouth piece, he couldn't give a damn if his client is as guilty as sin, and being Chris' brother that applies even more so. His behavior at the inquests was appalling, by with hindsight, almost totally predictable.

Bolded by me for clarity.

It took me a while to come to the same conclusion, re Peter. Because of his profession, but it's not unknown that an officer of the court, a barrister, a solicitor become entangled in high level crime.

Mainly based on the fact that he is SO adamant, SO utterly sure that Lynn's evaporation has nothing unusual or questionable about it, SO insistent , even for a solicitor, that she merely up and left her 1/2 million dollar home, her 2 beloved daughters, her wedding ring, her entire extended family, but then oddly and inexplicably ONLY rang the one person responsible for these major life-destroying events, leaving a marriage, leaving a home , leaving one's small children TO THE RIVAL!!

It shows a complete lack of logical thinking , in all totality, plus a peculiar perspective in believing the story would fly forever.

 

[Trooper]

Perhaps after 2 marriages, God knows how many flings and all these years, Chris has finally started thinking with his other brain.

Am I Cliff Hardy? Born and raised in working class Maroubra, ex-army, law student dropout, insurance company investigator, now turned Private Eye?

That would be telling, wouldn't it.

*hoots * ..

 

[Jennifer17]

Bolded by me for clarity.

It took me a while to come to the same conclusion, re Peter. Because of his profession, but it's not unknown that an officer of the court, a barrister, a solicitor become entangled in high level crime.

Mainly based on the fact that he is SO adamant, SO utterly sure that Lynn's evaporation has nothing unusual or questionable about it, SO insistent , even for a solicitor, that she merely up and left her 1/2 million dollar home, her 2 beloved daughters, her wedding ring, her entire extended family, but then oddly and inexplicably ONLY rang the one person responsible for these major life-destroying events, leaving a marriage, leaving a home , leaving one's small children TO THE RIVAL!!

It shows a complete lack of logical thinking , in all totality, plus a peculiar perspective in believing the story would fly forever.

BBM. Maybe not forever, but it has flown thus far and that is quite a bit of time, despite two Coronial Inquests.

 

[Trooper]

For me the big mystery is, how long can the DPP hold out, and on what basis. ? How that has managed to roll on I do not know, without some kind of political fallout , of a particularly egregious nature.

Even among the best of compadres in burying uncomfortable matters, this one , from sleeping all those years , has erupted and wont lie down again.

So.... how long can the DPP keep this thing simmering without it boiling over?

 

[Jennifer17]

For me the big mystery is, how long can the DPP hold out, and on what basis. ? How that has managed to roll on I do not know, without some kind of political fallout , of a particularly egregious nature.

Even among the best of compadres in burying uncomfortable matters, this one , from sleeping all those years , has erupted and wont lie down again.

So.... how long can the DPP keep this thing simmering without it boiling over?

Good question. I think many people are asking that, or should be.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Bolded by me for clarity.

It took me a while to come to the same conclusion, re Peter. Because of his profession, but it's not unknown that an officer of the court, a barrister, a solicitor become entangled in high level crime.

Mainly based on the fact that he is SO adamant, SO utterly sure that Lynn's evaporation has nothing unusual or questionable about it, SO insistent , even for a solicitor, that she merely up and left her 1/2 million dollar home, her 2 beloved daughters, her wedding ring, her entire extended family, but then oddly and inexplicably ONLY rang the one person responsible for these major life-destroying events, leaving a marriage, leaving a home , leaving one's small children TO THE RIVAL!!

It shows a complete lack of logical thinking , in all totality, plus a peculiar perspective in believing the story would fly forever.

Honestly, I just put Peter's performance at the inquest down to him being a typical defence lawyer. They are paid story tellers after all and as we all know, they are paid to be convincing.

 

[Jennifer17]

Honestly, I just put Peter's performance at the inquest down to him being a typical defence lawyer. They are paid story tellers after all and as we all know, they are paid to be convincing.

I have served on two juries and I can tell you that they are piss poor actors. One had a barrister who did not even seem to know the details of the case.
They weren't murder trials. One was a bit more disturbing than a murder trial though.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

For me the big mystery is, how long can the DPP hold out, and on what basis. ? How that has managed to roll on I do not know, without some kind of political fallout , of a particularly egregious nature.

Even among the best of compadres in burying uncomfortable matters, this one , from sleeping all those years , has erupted and wont lie down again.

So.... how long can the DPP keep this thing simmering without it boiling over?

Often the DPP will hold back until confident the crown has compiled enough evidence that they are confident they can win the case. As we know, you usually only get one go at trying the suspect.

In this particular case, unless the body is found, the fruit isn't going to get any riper and hopefully public and media pressure will force the DPP's hand.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

I have served on two juries and I can tell you that they are piss poor actors. One had a barrister who did not even seem to know the details of the case.
They weren't murder trials. One was a bit more disturbing than a murder trial though.

I served on a jury years ago. 13 charges and it lasted 13 days. The defence lawyer, who succeeded in getting his client off, ran rings around the prosecutor. I was so impressed I had his name written down for years. Just in case I ever needed representation. I doubt I could have afforded him though.

Robert Redlich was his name. Say no more.

 

[Trooper]

Often the DPP will hold back until confident the crown has compiled enough evidence that they are confident they can win the case. As we know, you usually only get one go at trying the suspect.

In this particular case, unless the body is found, the fruit isn't going to get any riper and hopefully public and media pressure will force the DPP's hand.

I agree with all that, no reservations, but the NSW DPP has successfully prosecuted murderers without finding the body, ( and in some, no expectation of finding the body ever ) so the experience and previous performance knowledge is there within the Dept.

I would be so disappointed if this lingers on until next year, and particularly so if Lloyd doesn't recuse himself and start turning himself inside out in the interests of the public position of DPP head, before any more muddy water sweeps under the bridge.

I wouldn't mind of LB lost his career over this, it isn't his first major, major inexplicable mistake.

 

[Jennifer17]

I served on a jury years ago. 13 charges and it lasted 13 days. The defence lawyer, who succeeded in getting his client off, ran rings around the prosecutor. I was so impressed I had his name written down for years. Just in case I ever needed representation. I doubt I could have afforded him though.

Robert Redlich was his name. Say no more.

The juries that I served on the accused were both not bright men whom no lawyer could have got off, no matter how brilliant.