Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #11

[Jay_Tec]

I’d say because the card was pre-signed, and she did not know what name was being written on the card. The thing that will never make sense is WHY her baby did not travel with her. It just doesn’t add up. So perhaps another person left and IK did fly with baby. OR another person impersonated IK and flew with the baby under the married name Wouters. Meaning perhaps IK had a passport for both names?
I don’t believe they were married… due to her marrying someone else so quickly UNLESS it was a transaction marriage… she comes here to hide pregnancy and give birth… returns to marry the real father. And RB or whoever the heck WW is gets residency in exchange for putting his name to birth certificate. Marriage annulled OS??? Hence being able to marry straight away in return.??

I've taken my eye off the ball when it comes to IK and the baby - but could it possibly be the baby was adopted to a new family ? A hidden pregnancy and an adopted baby ?

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

There is a UK newspaper article in April 1971 showing the ports of call of the SS Chusan and also an article about a bit of drama onboard in March 1971 at the time the ship was arriving near Sydney with our infamous couple.

I should add looking at old newspaper articles from the early 1970s the SS Chusan also sailed out of Amsterdam.

 

[KiwiNZ]

I've taken my eye off the ball when it comes to IK and the baby - but could it possibly be the baby was adopted to a new family ? A hidden pregnancy and an adopted baby ?

I don't think so since we have located her and she has used both IW ( her birth name ) and ER ( the last name of her step father(? MJR) and her middle name as her first name) in official paper work. She lives in Australia

My guess over RB's hesitation in some responses and his willingness to claim her as his own is that they can possible check with her to confirm whom her father is, and possible she can fill some gaps.

 

[Jay_Tec]

I don't think so since we have located her and she has used both IW ( her birth name ) and ER ( the last name of her step father(? MJR) and her middle name as her first name) in official paper work. She lives in Australia

My guess over RB's hesitation in some responses and his willingness to claim her as his own is that they can possible check with her to confirm whom her father is, and possible she can fill some gaps.

Ah OK, I understand, thanks. Yes he 'forgot' her name after all - never supply the enemy with evidence to use against you type thing.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

He lists as David de Hedervary and lives at Top of the World!

Haha no… it’s his son - top of the world is a swimming pool
Top of the World Pool, Dynnyrne, Hobart.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

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[Itsapuzzle]

Is anyone able to put up the NAA link for the IW and baby cards so we can see the date stamp on the back? I'm having trouble finding them, probably looking in wrong series. Much appreciated if anyone can help out.

 

[centred]

I did a lot of European genealogy research and found the hooked 9's to be a common trait in Germany, the Baltics and other countries nearby. It think it might be how they are taught in school.

Yes thank-you i recall this information previously , but my point was these cards are different people but same hand writing at different times . The post wasn't just about the 9 s per say .

 

[Jamaha]

Is anyone able to put up the NAA link for the IW and baby cards so we can see the date stamp on the back? I'm having trouble finding them, probably looking in wrong series. Much appreciated if anyone can help out.

View digital copy
page 207 = WW
Page 215 = IW
Page 217 = IEJW

The front page has a date of embarkation but the back/other side of the card has no date stamp.

 

[Itsapuzzle]

View digital copy
page 207 = WW
Page 215 = IW
Page 217 = IEJW

The front page has a date of embarkation but the back/other side of the card has no date stamp.

Fabulous, thanks Jamaha, totally indebted .... I was looking in the A1196 series
Drats, no date stamp on back .... sorry @Estelle, I thought it would be like the other cards. Alas and woe.
Wonder what the M.304 in handwriting stands for on back of IW's card.
And the back of WW's card, RMO A189573.

 

[1965school]

Fabulous, thanks Jamaha, totally indebted .... I was looking in the A1196 series
Drats, no date stamp on back .... sorry @Estelle, I thought it would be like the other cards. Alas and woe.
Wonder what the M.304 in handwriting stands for on back of IW's card.
And the back of WW's card, RMO A189573.

There is a MJR b 69 arrived in aus. 15/12/72 with his 2siblings and parents from Belgium. I wonder if this family is connected. If you. search the surname and put in year then click the date up top it pits them in date order to make it easier.

 

[mishy66]

Thanks mishy66 ..Except I made a mistake in that post ... it should have read 'she may have signed IK but her card said IW, matching her passport'.

Yes I understood what you meant. All good

 

[mishy66]

Not on this thread. But I am trying to find it. I will let you know.

That would be great, Thanks.
It helps everyone with this case.

 

[Liselle]

Series

Is anyone able to put up the NAA link for the IW and baby cards so we can see the date stamp on the back? I'm having trouble finding them, probably looking in wrong series. Much appreciated if anyone can help out.

@Itsapuzzle NAA Series #1198. Unfortunately, there is no reverse side of card on display. (Search: 1970/Worthy to Wright.)

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

View digital copy
page 207 = WW
Page 215 = IW
Page 217 = IEJW

The front page has a date of embarkation but the back/other side of the card has no date stamp.

I wish they would group the flights together so we could search all passengers on those flights.

 

[mishy66]

There is a MJR b 69 arrived in aus. 15/12/72 with his 2siblings and parents from Belgium. I wonder if this family is connected. If you. search the surname and put in year then click the date up top it pits them in date order to make it easier.

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This family yes?

 

[gymtonic]

Article on 17/04/1963

Three Dead In Overtaking Accident

......in the second car, the driver, M. Freddy David, was also killed instantly following a fracture of the cervical spine........

but that's just my translation - French-speaking sleuths step up!

Sorry I have been away for a while and am catching up. Yes the article says the Freddy David in the article he died of a broken neck. my quick reading was that one car was overtaking another and hit FD car coming the other way (ie in oncoming traffic).

 

[gymtonic]

Interesting that Ilona would be leaving on a wouters passport…. Considering she was here for a short time. But long enough to have a baby… and it appears long enough for her job skill to move from Domestic in her arrivals card to Hairdresser by the time she departed?

edit: Also her nationality changed from Hungarian when arriving to Belgian when leaving.

would she have a routers passport to travel on? Arrived on IK… left on IW?

Just a quick one here. Both cards had hairdresser (Fr Coifeusse) but it was falsely translated as domestic by someone?

 

[gymtonic]

I could have missed it long ago when looking through IK files but when the NAA files were updated last week on this case, I noticed IK had an extra medical form in it - stating heart - normal.
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I think this one was there from the beginning was translated a while ago...normal heart, dental work and scoliosis.

 

[gymtonic]

I know in some earlier posts that it was surmised that Mr aka’s leg injuries were sustained in a road traffic accident and nothing to do with being dragged by a horse. Knowing as we do that he arrived in Australia in 1971 as FD are we saying above this case involves 2 separate RTAs?

A while ago now I translated a document about the history of the Belgian Gendarmerie that stated that horses had been phased out of use by the time Aka had joined and had been replaced by mobile units using faster bicycles, so I have long doubted the horse injury story (which was also reported in later NAA documents to have been in 1960)!