Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #11

[mishy66]

I think "he " filled out both of these , have a look at the 9 with the distinctive tail and the other noticeable similarities IMO

Here are his own cards coming in and going out....

 

[ruby925]

My KISS scenario
WW pays for IK to go to Aus so that he can get residence, they do marry beforehand ..prob part of the deal, although she may have fallen for him at the beginning.
WW gets leave to remain, IK gets Belgian nationality by being married to WW and gets a new Belgian passport by producing the marriage certificate (win win). Baby EJ is born in Australia and therefore is Australian nationality, poss with her own passport. Despite the discrepancy on the departure cards of flight number and date, I believe IK flew with baby EJ and the flight number/date on IKs card were added on when it came to filing departure cards away. She may have signed IK but her card said IK, matching her passport.
Whether WW and IK were divorced when WW married DDH, I am not sure that would have bothered WW in the slightest. All IMO.

 

[Bagpus]

But in those days, both parents had to sign to give permission for a baby to go overseas and the baby was listed on the mother's passport. IMO

Not always. I had my own passport from birth in 73, due to being a different nationality from both my parents. I'm often regailed with stories of having to be wheeled off to a different immigration queue.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

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[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

@BonnieB If the print-out of your spreadsheet is as extensive as I imagine, I am keeping a lookout to see if is coming down my street yet!! [/QUOTE]
I decided to colour code mine.. so each name a legal name a different colour, alias are another… gawd it looks like a rainbow explosion lol

Yep gone through them all also.

have you tried walker lol

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Oh my I think I hold the record… I just had not a double post a quadruple!
And eyespywithmylittleeye is winning the annoying post race!

apologies… trying to go back and delete them

 

[mishy66]

[/QUOTE]
I decided to colour code mine.. so each name a legal name a different colour, alias are another… gawd it looks like a rainbow explosion lol

have you tried walker lol[/QUOTE]

Mine is a rainbow too and it is doing my head in ha!

Yes that was first on the list

 

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I think "he " filled out both of these , have a look at the 9 with the distinctive tail and the other noticeable similarities IMO

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@mishy66

sorry the last post didn't go to plan ....it was these i was curious about the 9 s in common. His and hers have the hooked 9 s

Did Ilona fill in his or visa versa ? or am i loosing the plot

 

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I decided to colour code mine.. so each name a legal name a different colour, alias are another… gawd it looks like a rainbow explosion lol

have you tried walker lol[/QUOTE]

Mine is a rainbow too and it is doing my head in ha!

Yes that was first on the list[/QUOTE]

Haha Walker was where i came to the realization that certain types of deaths 'do' run in families.
One line I followed at least 4 men died or maimed from "horse accidents " and turns out i know some of the descendants ....

Annnyway ...

 

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Marion was in 1997 law from 1985 marriage didn’t entitle you to a Belgian passport.

Belgian nationality law - Wikipedia

Hows about Luxembourg , I hear the living was easy ...especially in the day

luxemburg at DuckDuckGo

 

[mishy66]

My KISS scenario
WW pays for IK to go to Aus so that he can get residence, they do marry beforehand ..prob part of the deal, although she may have fallen for him at the beginning.
WW gets leave to remain, IK gets Belgian nationality by being married to WW and gets a new Belgian passport by producing the marriage certificate (win win). Baby EJ is born in Australia and therefore is Australian nationality, poss with her own passport. Despite the discrepancy on the departure cards of flight number and date, I believe IK flew with baby EJ and the flight number/date on IKs card were added on when it came to filing departure cards away. She may have signed IK but her card said IK, matching her passport.
Whether WW and IK were divorced when WW married DDH, I am not sure that would have bothered WW in the slightest. All IMO.

@ruby925 THAT makes perfect sense.

 

[BonnieB]

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@mishy66

sorry the last post didn't go to plan ....it was these i was curious about the 9 s in common. His and hers have the hooked 9 s

Did Ilona fill in his or visa versa ? or am i loosing the plot

I did a lot of European genealogy research and found the hooked 9's to be a common trait in Germany, the Baltics and other countries nearby. It think it might be how they are taught in school.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

sorry if someone has already done this - but while I am listening again ...

DDH testimony on where they have lived in order-

Mt Warren Park
Woodenbong
Glenbarra
Tasmania - Mid way point
Ballina (approx. 1996)
Wallanbah (approx. 1997)
Ballina
Sydney - Clare Valley (?)- with Daughter (approx. 2001)
Cessnock - near sister
Melbourne ( a few years with Son)
Miami - because son worked up there after Uni.
Suffolk Park NSW
Kurobell (? spelling)
Ballina

Other locations that were not given in chronological order
Bondi Junction - to look after daughters baby - lived with her and her first husband
Caringbah - with Daughter
Waterloo - with Daughter

I think we can add 1992 to Midway Point

Wayback Machine

 

[Estelle]

Sure KiwiNZ and that probably was a bit OTT on my part, but this whole thing is just one big conspiracy. Nothing is ever done here without some financial advantage. Women and babies (and the men, too) are constantly being moved across borders for no apparent purpose. Turns out there was a purpose with MB and JO, and so there will be with EWJ and probably DdeH's daughter way back when. As much as I'd like to believe it was to rescue EWJ in some way from what was going on in Aus, I can't help but consider it only would have been done if it was to some additional advantage.

Who is EWJ?

 

[Estelle]

I must have missed that note.
Where was that?
Is there a link to that info?

Not on this thread. But I am trying to find it. I will let you know.

 

[Estelle]

no worries - I do get what your saying and I am sure the trip was in some way part of a bigger scheme or plan, but I just don't believe they printed the departure cards themselves, I can see no reason too, unless you can and I am missing a reason to do so.

I also think they were all the same as far as the departure cards in Australia are concerned. You were given them before you passed through Immigration. The airlines only gave them out on the plane when you were arriving somewhere.

 

[Estelle]

Not his hand IMO

Just noticed the first one was printed in 1968 and the second one was printed in 1969.

 

[Estelle]

I think we can add 1992 to Midway Point

Wayback Machine

He lists as David de Hedervary and lives at Top of the World!

 

[Carovb5]

I did a lot of European genealogy research and found the hooked 9's to be a common trait in Germany, the Baltics and other countries nearby. It think it might be how they are taught in school.

If by ‘hooked’ you mean it has a hook underneath the circle, count Belgium in. It’s how it’s indeed learned at school.

 

[ruby925]

@ruby925 THAT makes perfect sense.

Thanks mishy66 ..Except I made a mistake in that post ... it should have read 'she may have signed IK but her card said IW, matching her passport'.