Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #15

[mishy66]

Put his name & photo on the front of page of every mainstream newspaper in the UK and rest of Europe.

100% !!!!

 

[Oodlesofnoodles]

My thoughts too.

What the actual f is wrong with the Aust Police system and the international system to allow a pig like this to get away with a life of crime when they had all the links under their useless noses!!!

We have ALL speculated that there would be dozens of Marions out there and now we have more coming out to share stories that are so familiar.

Marion went missing in 1997

He meets JO 1999 through her ex husband coin dealer and their mate Barry Cooper - she reports him 2000


Meets GGB through her advert in 1999 giving him her bank card and him stealing 30K from her to 'set up a business" and blackmails her by taking explicit photos of her naked and tells the inquest she thought he drugged her.


2006 - Meets GD Belgium through her advert - follows the same MO to try and swindle another innocent victim

2022:
While the police are useless in connecting the dots on these cases I ask this:

WTF is the Aust Government doing to investigate the FACT that we have a so called "Carers" pension being paid to a woman who's husband is capable of flying all over the world stealing from women, gathering up their family heirlooms to ship to his 'accountant' ( Hello V. Ware ) all these years, and including paying a pension to this pig of a human being!

I mean THAT alone warrants an arrest !!!! Both of them swindling the Australian Government since the 70s.
HOW did their families and friends expect all these trips OS to be paid for when they are getting tuppence on 2 pensions!?


WHEN are you ..... relatives of !!!! , going to step up and be truthful about what you all know!!!!

DdeH is as guilty as he is IMO. She would have to be blind deaf freddy not to know what the hell has been going on all these years!!!!!

He has a person helping him, I am convinced of that.

The centrelink thing alone by it's self, I would hope they will be looked into. I don't know if its always been the way but since I've been a carer I think 2012. You can only have a certain amount of days away from the person your caring for. You also can only work 20 hours a week thats including getting to and from the job.

Either his wife is actually aware of everything he's done and has just gone along with it or it's a DV relationship and shes to scared to do anything, but even then if it is DV just honestly wondering how is she still alive and hasn't been a victim of his?

Can someone clarify for me though because this is what confused me. Did the Belgium woman meet him in 2006 or is that when she was contacted by the police in regards to the other woman. Also the other woman I want to know more, I want to know why they said she was lucky she got away. What did he do to her? What country did she live in? Is she still alive today?

Also the passport thing being extremely illegal. How has he been able to get away with this?. How has he not been at least charged for that? Could he actually be charged for that before the coroner hands down her findings? Literally asking because this is the first podcast I've listened to about any missing person or true crime.

Sadly not that anything new that comes forward since the last court date can be used for Marion, as far as I'm aware.

 

[Deleted member 249471]

Oh god please don’t let be an organ harvest thing in Korea, Indonesia/ Bali. Drug people up in a foreign country to the point of over dose or near death and then sell their organs as you are their ‘next of kin’ - no hassle. Far fetched I know…

Oh my! He does like to milk every penny. He takes everything from these women, possibly even their organs.

 

[Deleted member 249471]

Is this the reason he goes to Japan? To make another AU$150 000 off his victims (cost of liver) while conveniently disposing of them?

Kidneys for $163,000: Inside the organ-trafficking trade

Patients desperate for a transplant are travelling overseas to get it, shelling out tens of thousands of dollars for another shot at life.

amp.abc.net.au

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

RB - what an absolute hideous man, he is just nauseating

What's with the liver scan - he sounds like Hannibal, checking his preys organs

If his family don't say what they know, and they know, then they are as bad as him

I think the more that comes out, the more hopeful it becomes that one of his children will decide to tell the truth of what they know. I feel quite sure they have been deceived and kept out of it all as much as possible but things must be starting to add up for them now. My own father was not dissimilar to RB and it's terribly traumatic when the penny finally drops.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Still conning vulnerable and lonely women when aged 67. When did this guy finally retire from conning women in Europe and Australia? How many Police jurisdictions have info on this guy but haven’t joined them up together? Put his name & photo on the front of page of every mainstream newspaper in the UK and rest of Europe.

NO wonder he probably thinks he's an invincible creative genius. Even if he was given a death sentence right this minute now (not gona happen obv), he's still led a privileged and charmed life off the back of the most horrific scams against vulnerable women and raised privileged children who have enjoyed the wealth of his crimes. It's heartbreaking.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Isn’t there enough evidence now that RB targets and deceives women for the purpose of financial gain? And has committed extensive immigration and ID fraud? And that Marion is deceased and he was her last contact, posing as her lover while actually scamming her? And after her money was withdrawn, she was never seen again?

Also, isn't there enough evidence to IMMEDIATELY DETAIN him? To prevent him fleeing or perpetrating yet one more of his scams.

 

[Oodlesofnoodles]

Also, isn't there enough evidence to IMMEDIATELY DETAIN him? To prevent him fleeing or perpetrating yet one more of his scams.

You would think so. Especially with the whole passport thing. Did they say when he used the passport in a different name?

 

[Estelle]

The Luxembourg Times has now published the English version. It has a paywall, but worth getting a subscription!


LUXTIMES.LU
Belgian scam victim case tied to Australian missing woman

 

[DerZuschauer]

Can someone clarify for me though because this is what confused me. Did the Belgium woman meet him in 2006 or is that when she was contacted by the police in regards to the other woman. Also the other woman I want to know more, I want to know why they said she was lucky she got away. What did he do to her? What country did she live in? Is she still alive today?

The lady from Brussels (GD) met him in 2006 after putting up an ad.
She was contacted by police in 2012 in regard to another victim from Tournai, Belgium (she doesn't know her name). This other woman was (according to GD) ditched in Bali, penniless, not speaking English, somehow managed to get back to Belgium.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Something slightly disturbing from the latest podcast about the lady placed in a hole next to him so narrow you could only stand up and her suffering an agonising death during his time in the Vietnam War with the Australian Army. While clearly he was never in the Vietnam War or in the Australian Army the story of the lady is a little more chilling. Is he recounting something he may have done?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

The Luxembourg Times has now published the English version. It has a paywall, but worth getting a subscription!


LUXTIMES.LU
Belgian scam victim case tied to Australian missing woman

Is it possible to briefly summarise the gist of it?

 

[Estelle]

Is it possible to briefly summarise the gist of it?

It says there is a paywall so you have to subscribe and the minimum amount was not in my budget. Perhaps our member from Belgium (Carob?) could access it more easily.

 

[poppypopcorn]

Something slightly disturbing from the latest podcast about the lady placed in a hole next to him so narrow you could only stand up and her suffering an agonising death during his time in the Vietnam War with the Australian Army. While clearly he was never in the Vietnam War or in the Australian Army the story of the lady is a little more chilling. Is he recounting something he may have done?

Given his past record, I'd say it was more likely that he saw it in a film or read it in a book.

There will be more people out there. Most likely in Luxembourg, Belgium, northern France. Or in Australia or England. His MO is the same - promise them a new life overseas. Whether that's promising the Aussies a new life in Europe, or the Europeans a new life in Australia.

What isn't part of his MO though is murder. The lady mentioned dumped in Bali, the podcast lady who was sent to a cousin in Manchester. Once he has the money/valuables, he returns to Australia (or back to Europe), and changes his identity again to cover his tracks. Wait 9 months - year, start again.

If Marion is to fit this pattern then we have to accept that he did manage to get her antiques and good stuff, and sold them. (I am fairly sure this is what happened). That they went off to England together. Then he invents some reason he has to go home right away, as he has done in the past.

So what happens next? Marion susses that "Fernand" has conned her - alarm bells start ringing. She is not a stupid woman and realises that he's fleeced her. She returns to Aus? Or do we believe that she didn't suss it out at all, and that even though this returning to Australia is something he's never done with other victims, they both come back? From RB's perspective, that''s pretty risky. Marion, back on home turf, the risk of her seeing someone she knows, or deciding to share her exciting news with family. Or would he have just cut his losses, sold her antiques, paintings etc, changed his name again and moved on to another victim?

The police have really screwed up this whole case. If they'd acted promptly in 1997 - or even in 1998, 1999 or 2000 - they could have saved a lot of people from being conned.

 

[KiwiNZ]

Oh god please don’t let be an organ harvest thing in Korea, Indonesia/ Bali. Drug people up in a foreign country to the point of over dose or near death and then sell their organs as you are their ‘next of kin’ - no hassle. Far fetched I know…

Thats the only thing I could think of as well, who needs to know you have a decent liver ?

why insist on medical tests ?

 

[KiwiNZ]

What isn't part of his MO though is murder. The lady mentioned dumped in Bali, the podcast lady who was sent to a cousin in Manchester. Once he has the money/valuables, he returns to Australia (or back to Europe), and changes his identity again to cover his tracks. Wait 9 months - year, start again.

so far Murder hasn't been part of his MO when he is known by the extended family, so far that's all we have, we do know he tried to persuade her not to reveal their relationship - if she had complied would he have murdered her ?

victims that haven't told their family about him and if they were murder by him won't be coming forward, that's the problem

 

[VisitorDog]

Sometimes his MO seems to be that he has the women sell the house and other times perhaps that he tried to sell it himself - as per JO’s account with the deeds. I wonder if there’s a way to check houses he has bought / sold / owned in the countries where it’s known he has frequented?

 

[VisitorDog]

Also wondering whether the coroner usually goes with her counsel’s advice? The piece about believing that the media attention didn’t relate to the case being pursued again is ridiculous.

 

[KiwiNZ]

The fact he used the DH name with her shows how brazen (or stupid) he is, there is only 1 DH in Aus.

Shows how little police actually work together internationally, Belgium police have the DH name at least twice for scamming women and they know he is living or has links to Aus.

For a man of many names, you would think he would have used an alias, these sort of amateur hour actions he makes along the way is why I keep on coming back to - is this organized crime or is he just a lone scammer that gets lucky most of the time - has he just been lucky due to the lack of police intelligence between countries? The lack of effort police put into scams crimes ?

He is roll out the same MO every time - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

The fact he used the DH name with her shows how brazen (or stupid) he is, there is only 1 DH in Aus.

Shows how little police actually work together internationally, Belgium police have the DH name at least twice for scamming women and they know he is living or has links to Aus.

For a man of many names, you would think he would have used an alias, this sort of amateur hour actions he makes along the way is why I keep on coming back to - is this organized or completely disorganized crimes - has he just been lucky due to the lack of police intelligence between countries? The lack of effort police put into scams crimes ?

If he is still scamming women when aged 67 perhaps he thought he was untouchable by then or didn’t care any longer to cover his tracks. He probably considers Australian Police and Government authorities as incompetent fools having managed to get away with it since first arriving in Australia in the late 1960s.

As a matter of interest do we know what passport name he was using in 2006 according to the inquest?