Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #7

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Summary so far, according to Dianne:

They are still married. They met on a ship that departed Hampton, UK to Australia around 1970. She was 19, he was about 31 [if 1939 is his real birth year].

At the time, he was Willy Wouters and she did not know him by any other name. However, she later claims she always called him Ric, even before his name change to Frederick, so... :oops:

He claimed to be a press photographer and later in Australia, he was a wedding photographer. That is how Dianne thought he made a living.

Just prior to their Feb 1976 marriage, he changed his name to Frederick David de Hedervary. He claimed it was his biological family’s name. His father was a 'de Hedervary' and his mother a Coppenolle, first names unknown, and they died in WW2. He was adopted by his aunt Maria Coppenolle and Andre Wouters. When Casselden pressed her if it was Andre or another name such as Abdel [did he mean to say Abel?], she said no, it was definitely Andre.

When asked if RB was born in Belgium, she said “that’s what they said”. [Interesting, who are 'they', why not 'that's what he said'?]

Prior to arriving in Aust, he was in the Belgium army, was on a horse during a demonstration, got pulled off and beaten up real bad. He spent two years in hospital. He has scars [the shin scars and broken nose, I assume], and still has trouble walking today.

After marrying they went overseas to Europe. First Belgium where they lived with his family and he worked at the family furniture business that made and sold furniture. The family had about three of these businesses in Belgium. They also spent 3 years in Luxembourg where he set up another business and managed it on behalf of his family. Then they spent a few months in Boudreaux, France. Then back to Belgium and UK.

It was alleged he had an affair with a woman named Monique Cornelius. But Dianne did not know about her, Marion or GGB and JO.

Dianne also claims there was just one family car that she had most of the time as she had to drive kids around, so whenever RB went to have his affair with Marion in QLD, he went by train.

[The car thing is interesting because RB never seemed to have a car, not even when visiting JO whose house was secluded and at the top of a long driveway. I wondered if someone was dropping him off. When Marion 'retuned to Aus' and they did all the trips between Brisbane, Byron, Burleigh, Grafton, etc, how did they get around? Surely a car was used? IMO] [Bracket are my own notes.]

Excellent summary!
I dont believe the de Hedervary father story he told her though
 
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I wouldn't necessarily believe anything that Diane says as she was either told lies by RB or he has coached her into what she should say.

For example, RB told her he had two cousins but they are stepbrothers. But why lie about that?

All this will be a mixture of truth and lies this week IMO.

Yes I think he lied to her also from the start and continued to do so all their married life
 
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What does it mean they are dealing with/hearing procedural applications? Can some explain in basic terms? And why can’t the public hear these along with everything else. I’m not familiar with coroner court proceedings etc
 
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What was Ilona's son's name?
There is a passenger card for Michael John Reid born 1969, signed by father Michael in 1972.

View digital copy

Sons name is listed as Christopher, interesting find though, maybe compare handwriting ?
 
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Oh thanks! :) That's good :)

I could never get a straight answer out of my Furby :)


I think she/ he means - it's really funny - which it is lol
 
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How many more women out there ?
 
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Via Mrs google I found a defence barrister in NSW called Paul Townsend who has worked on criminal cases
 
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He's 82yo now so that would mean she is 62yo now. She looks much older than 62yo to me today.

Diane was born in 1951 and RB was born 1939-07-09 so he is about 12 years older. On the ship, she said she was 19/20yo so he was about 32yo. Now he is 82yo and she is 70yo.

Diane said she met RB on ship coming to Australia from Southampton. His Arrivals Card said he arrived in Perth on a "vessel". I argued that it was a ship but others here claimed it was a Qantas flight. He put "never married" on that card and his address was Gosbell Street, Paddington which is in Sydney. Was that her parents' address? They owned a cafe probably in Paddington where he worked. Maybe they lived above the cafe. Why did he disembark from the ship in Perth? Was that so he could meet up with Ilona and become an Australian resident?
That Paddington thing is a lie. All through his NAA file he gives the address or suburb of Paddington. Both when he's in Australia and UK! Paddington is his 'go to' lie for his English speaking countries.
 
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two previous marriages before Ilona....
 
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Correction to my notes, the ship departed from Southampton not Hampton. Once again, RB loves to hang out on the seaside towns with passage to mainland Europe. What a surprise.
 
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Interesting watching bits back from this morning. My take of DW/DdH is that she’s not too dissimilar from JO. Both women don’t seem to ask a lot of questions of RB, they seem content to just take what he says on face value. Even G (sorry forget her surname) didn’t challenge RB on many things even though in hindsight she says she questioned it in her mind (Eg. What was his true nationality).
 
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D said she hasn't read brief of evidence, yet she has hired a criminal lawyer. mmmm
 
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D said she hasn't read brief of evidence, yet she has hired a criminal lawyer. mmmm

Yes odd. Hard to know yet if she is a naive victim or a tricky & oppositional associate!
 
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Double
 
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