Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #7

[mishy66]

Just this part alone in Diane's testimony says a lot about his lies, which by now, after years and years of leading a life of deceit, should show how she was caught up in his story:

"Just prior toFeb 1976 marriage, he changed his name to Frederick David de Hedervary. He claimed it was his biological family’s name. His father was a 'de Hedervary' and his mother a Coppenolle, first names unknown, and they died in WW2. He was adopted by his aunt Maria Coppenolle and Andre Wouters. When Casselden pressed her if it was Andre or another name such as Abdel [did he mean to say Abel?], she said no, it was definitely Andre."

The Andre part being correct.

 

[Seriallyaddicted]

Their children are well educated and switched on - if my mother was clearly been taken advantage of I would have done something - but they may also be estranged from their children, some people cant be helped and you end up having to remove yourself.

Diane referred to being told by her daughter about the podcast last year, so there seems to be some kind of contact between them. I think they mentioned that the lawyer representing Dianne was also representing the daughter and son.

 

[StrangerDanger]

Diane referred to being told by her daughter about the podcast last year, so there seems to be some kind of contact between them. I think they mentioned that the lawyer representing Dianne was also representing the daughter and son.

I know a few women who would behave similarly, in spite of such a serious (and mysterious) circumstance placed in front of them, they just stick their heads in the sand. I did wonder though, when she said she ‘hadn’t really listened’ to the podcast and Casseldon honed in on that- did you or didn’t you listen to it- about whether she had listened to a little bit but didn’t want RB to know.

 

[Estelle]

After they married, she said he became a wedding photographer. so did he ever show her the photos he took? In those days, would he have had to develop them at home in a dark room?

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

ok Perth by ship 1970 Nope.

Unless he flew back and came in on a different name via ship in 1970

1969 ( 24 May ) QFF 736 from London to Perth.

View digital copy

 

[Estelle]

Just this part alone in Diane's testimony says a lot about his lies, which by now, after years and years of leading a life of deceit, should show how she was caught up in his story:

"Just prior toFeb 1976 marriage, he changed his name to Frederick David de Hedervary. He claimed it was his biological family’s name. His father was a 'de Hedervary' and his mother a Coppenolle, first names unknown, and they died in WW2. He was adopted by his aunt Maria Coppenolle and Andre Wouters. When Casselden pressed her if it was Andre or another name such as Abdel [did he mean to say Abel?], she said no, it was definitely Andre."

The Andre part being correct.

I thought Casselden suggested the name, Abdul Floreant Wouters.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Used to be that any pharmacy/chemist could have developed photos

That's where we got all our photos developed then. Or some shop like Camera House. I think they're not around any more but there were other places like that around then.

Big W and Harvey Norman were not yet into film developing at that time, at least not in my area.

After they married, she said he became a wedding photographer. so did he ever show her the photos he took? In those days, would he have had to develop them at home in a dark room?

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

I thought Casselden suggested the name, Abdul Floreant Wouters.

I wrote down Abdal so I’m with you I didn’t hear Abel

 

[mishy66]

I agree with your opinion on his character and record of behavior , however i can not see any reason to have her believe they were cousins when and if they were actually brothers .. sorry i cannot find any sense or reasoning in this as a lie when she is in their home and it would be easier for them to not have to cover up his story when it fact it most likely is the case .

Unless you can provide me with a good reason for him to lie about being cousins or brothers ?

He is a master at lies and manipulation.

One could argue the same with his account of never having been married prior to Ilona or that he was a multi millionaire as told to JO

 

[mishy66]

I know a few women who would behave similarly, in spite of such a serious (and mysterious) circumstance placed in front of them, they just stick their heads in the sand. I did wonder though, when she said she ‘hadn’t really listened’ to the podcast and Casseldon honed in on that- did you or didn’t you listen to it- about whether she had listened to a little bit but didn’t want RB to know.

Agree. She is possibly torn between wanting to know what is going on but also completely overwhelmed that her partner of all these years is a criminal and wanted in the investigation of a missing person, fraud and his whole life a lie.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Ok so perhaps… Maria did adopt.. raised/adopted by aunt and uncle.. so I shall look at Maria’s siblings who perhaps passed away late 30’s early 40’s.?

 

[Deleted member 249471]

I know these are hard to read, but here's a brief timeline to give today's claims some context, DW is in blue:

1968 – a business is formed between Frederick de Hedervary, Willy David-coppenolle, Ric Blum
24 May 1969 – WW flies London to Perth on 3 month visa, claims Never Married
26 May 1969 – WW applies for Aus residence, now claims he is married, 10 May 1969 in Belgium to wife IK
2 Oct 1969 – WW granted residence status due to marriage status to IK

15 Feb 1970 – WW departs Aus with wife IK, claims they are now divorced
1970 – IK marries MJR
1970 – WW DW meet on ship from Southampton to Aus, she's 19, he's abt 31.

23 Jun 1971 – WW in French prison for a long list of charges
21 May 1974 – WW discharged from prison
1974 – WW suspected return to Aus but no entry record found

12 Feb 1976 – WW changes name to FDdH
20 Feb 1976 – FDdH marries DW
23 Feb 1976 – FDdH applies for Aus citizenship
25 Mar 1976 – FDdH Aus citizenship granted and Aus passport issued
28 July 1976 – FDdH and DW depart Aus. DW claims in the next few years they lived in Belgium,
3 in Luxembourg, a few months in Boudreaux France, back to Belgium, UK and Aus
Oct 76 - Feb 77 – FDdH arrested in Luxembourg as Roger Lauzoney from Morocco born 1945

13 Aug 1978 – FDdH and DW return to Aus
2 Apr 1979 – FDdH DW son born in Sydney
6 Feb 1980 – FDdH departs Aus
23 Apr 1980 – DW and son depart Aus

21 Jan 1980 – DW and son return to Aus
2 Apr 1981 – FDdH issued Aus passport issued Germany
17 Apr 1981 – FDdH DW daughter born in Luxembourg
18 Nov 1981 – FDdH returns to Aus
4 Dec 1981 – FDdH departs Aus, no apparent re-entry into Aus for 6 years

29 Jan 1985 – FDdH issued NSW licence as Chaim FD Dehedervary

2 Jan 1986 – FDdH returns to Aus after after 6 years absence
Sept 1986 – FDdH departs Aus
6 Oct 1986 – FDdH returns to Aus

24 Aug 1988 – FDdH issued QLD licence as Fernand Remakel
10 Dec 1994 – Le Courrier ad as Mr FN Remakel, ph associated with Ballina Coin and FDdH
1997 – known as Richard Lloyd Westbury, has passport
1989 – known as Ric West, meets JO
1999 – deed poll name change to Rich Richard, meets GGB as De Hedervary
mid 2010s – know as Willy David Coppenolle per CBA documents
2020s – known as Ric Blum

 

[Estelle]

Could Diane have got her dates wrong accidentally or deliberately? IMO he was married to Ilona in 1970 (allegedly married Ilona in 1969).

1974-05-21 Willy Wouters discharged from prison but where he was is unaccounted for.

May 1974-February 1976?? Willy Wouters must have returned to Australia but no records can be found say immigration dept.

1974 -1975 Is this when he caught a ship to Australia and met Diane? What name did he use then? Diane has always called him Ric.

1976-02-12 Willy Wouters changes name to FD de Hereditary

1976-02-20 FD de Hedervary marries wife #3 Diane Walker

1976-02-23 FD de Hedervary applies for Australian citizenship. No mention made about being absent from Australia and WW claims his passport was lost in 1970

1976-03-25 FD de Hedervary Australian citizenship granted but obtained by fraudulent means as entry permit invalid.

1976-03-25 FD de Hedervary residence 303 old south head Road, Bondi NSW

1976-03-25 FD de Hedervary Australian passport issued

1976-06 Willy Wouters false impersonation, Paris, 1 year sentence

1976-07-28 FD and Diane depart Australia

 

[mishy66]

I thought Casselden suggested the name, Abdul Floreant Wouters.

Yes, I was just quoting someone elses post

 

[mishy66]

I know these are hard to read, but here's a brief timeline to give today's claims some context:

mid 2010s – know as Willy David Coppenolle per CBA documents

He finally uses his family name

 

[Carovb5]

I haven’t got the chance to look at the courtvideo yet, but i know wedding photographers, and they do need a car, as they have to get to a lot of venues and places!

Maybe our Belgian members can tell us what this uniform is? Was it common for Belgians to join military back then , like it's compulsory in Switzerland these days. This profile photo of Willy wonkers

I’m not done catching up here as it’s early morning here now, but in Belgium you had to join the military for a few years. I’ll search for an article or info on my lunch break!

After they married, she said he became a wedding photographer. so did he ever show her the photos he took? In those days, would he have had to develop them at home in a dark room?

 

[Estelle]

Does that imply he finally used his real Birth Certificate to set up this CBA bank account?

 

[mishy66]

Does that imply he finally used his real Birth Certificate to set up this CBA bank account?

One of his many fake documents I would think.....

 

[Estelle]

This article is paywalled.

Secret lover in missing teacher case said affair was ‘wrong’
The alleged secret lover of a missing Gold Coast mother told his wife he broke off the affair because it was ‘wrong’. See what his wife said in court.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...dynamic-hot-test-score&V21spcbehaviour=append

 

[Estelle]

I thought I heard last week that RB had two marriages prior to Diane Walker.

1. Monique Cornelius
2. Ilona K
3. Diane Walker