Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #16

[MrsEmmaPeel]

I'm listening to the new TLV Catch-Up Episodes which recap the entire case. It's like being a TV detective when they go to the white board and go back to the beginning. So many pieces pop up in a clearer way. Like this:

If it wasn't MB who returned to Australia, why would an imposter say the return was only for 3 days? Why would the imposter give details about life in Luxembourg and being married? These are very specific things which call attention to themselves. I assume MB's passport in the new Florabella name also flagged Marion. (Link between the two identities.) If an imposter wanted to keep a low profile, it would have made sense to say that the trip was a RETURN to Australia, not a jaunt of just 3 days which would be on record if MB didn't leave Australia in 3 days. It also would have made sense to be vague in personal details which would not draw attention to anything. Like naming an Australian residence and calling herself a "Teacher."

For this reason I'm 100% sure it was MB who returned.

 

[mishy66]

Wow if he is responsible for this on 1st wife I wonder if it was accident he kept trying to avoid again (by checking when it showed up in liver tests) or a deliberate repeat offence?

It wasnt his first wife

 

[Getro callum]

I'm listening to the new TLV Catch-Up Episodes which recap the entire case. It's like being a TV detective when they go to the white board and go back to the beginning. So many pieces pop up in a clearer way. Like this:

If it wasn't MB who returned to Australia, why would an imposter say the return was only for 3 days? Why would the imposter give details about life in Luxembourg and being married? These are very specific things which call attention to themselves. I assume MB's passport in the new Florabella name also flagged Marion. (Link between the two identities.) If an imposter wanted to keep a low profile, it would have made sense to say that the trip was a RETURN to Australia, not a jaunt of just 3 days which would be on record if MB didn't leave Australia in 3 days. It also would have made sense to be vague in personal details which would not draw attention to anything. Like naming an Australian residence and calling herself a "Teacher."

For this reason I'm 100% sure it was MB who returned.

I agree, unfortunately I also think there is (hidden in the middle somewhere) is a kernel of truth in the fact someone (bank manager) did actually confirm that it was her in the early stages of her return… it would make sense to the reasons there was SO much confusion in the year's after…

… I mean not impossible but the probability that everything went according to plan for RB to get her disposed OS, get an imposter to take her flight home etc and have had someone in australia do every single Australian bank withdrawal from the start is so high… there would have had to have been a LOT of good luck for that …

 

[Getro callum]

I agree, unfortunately I also think there is (hidden in the middle somewhere) is a kernel of truth in the fact someone (bank manager) did actually confirm that it was her in the early stages of her return… it would make sense to the reasons there was SO much confusion in the year's after…

… I mean not impossible but the probability that everything went according to plan for RB to get her disposed OS, get an imposter to take her flight home etc and have had someone in australia do every single Australian bank withdrawal from the start is so high… there would have had to have been a LOT of good luck for that …

I think she came home and started the moving of money from her account and something untoward has happened to her with RB knowing this & fraudulently taking the rest of out via accomplice..

 

[VisitorDog]

If she came back and intended to take out her money, and anticipated only three days, I wonder why she then removed it so slowly.

 

[Getro callum]

I think she came home and started the moving of money from her account and something untoward has happened to her with RB knowing this & fraudulently taking the rest of out via accomplice..

I think she may have been deceased around the end of august…after her dr visit (possibly before the death of princess Di)

RB current wife could have continued taking funds out throughout September/October.

 

[Getro callum]

It would be way to hard to try and take the identity of an Australian women when you are not a born English speaker.. everything of Marion’s was as an Australian who has gone to live o/s not the other way around..it anyone it would have to be Diane or an associate of hers (sister? Etc)

Name change is only that..the whole identity of the person remains the same…

 

[Getro callum]

If she came back and intended to take out her money, and anticipated only three days, I wonder why she then removed it so slowly.

I think it wasn’t her after the first couple of transactions.

Sometimes smaller branches you have to organise before hand to get large sums out… I think because she possibly arrived back in a hurry and they wouldn’t do a big withdrawal on the spot or even that week.. they only allowed her to take the branch maximum for that day.. or something in her documentation prevented her from taking out more than 5k for security concerns..

The wire transfer 80k was stopped much later in sept I think this was RB trying to get the bulk out..getting impatient at his wife having to go in everyday..

Why MB didn’t wire transfer the whole lot? Perhaps she had clocked him and he knew the Barclays details (but she didn’t know he couldn’t get it) or maybe Barclays were so strict (they were when I was there) that she didn’t want the hassle (just in case) …

She may have only intended to get one or two lots of 5k out at all and RB just kept going & got the rest after he knew she was ‘gone.’

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

If she came back and intended to take out her money, and anticipated only three days, I wonder why she then removed it so slowly.

Maybe she came back because of the money / change of name ID issue in accordance with or at the suggestion of RB because Marion had been asked to give documentary evidence in person to her bank - paperwork that they had both stored in a safety deposit box in Australia. Him thinking he could abandon her in the UK and strip all her assets then realising there's a glitch with the bank and actually needing Marion to return to do the thing. Marion realising at that point of course her name change and passport change had caused her a complication in transferring her own fund. So once she / he / they both realised that, it was necessary for Marion to nip back to Australia in person.

However, I would suggest that if she did that, as soon as she had provided the necessary paperwork in person to her bank, that is when she met her demise at RB's hands as no doubt the idea of travelling back again to Europe with her was really not something he wanted to do, probably he was feeling fed up at a tedious flaw in the plan. Once the ability to transfer funds had been sorted, that was the end of Marion. If that sort of thing happened, I don't think any of the withdrawals were Marion.

 

[Getro callum]

I think she came home and started the moving of money from her account and something untoward has happened to her with RB knowing this & fraudulently taking the rest of out via accomplice..

Sometime in coming back to sort out ID/ bank access etc… she may have found out his fraud…either by going to get ID that wasn’t now there or something else was missing …she may have clocked him and within the first couple of weeks she was home, she was either incapacitated through illness (not accidental) & lethargy …you wouldn’t have energy for police or telling anyone about your situation… and then possibly the death was accidental.. everyone’s medical reactions are different to low dose poisoning..

 

[Getro callum]

Maybe she came back because of the money / change of name ID issue in accordance with or at the suggestion of RB because Marion had been asked to give documentary evidence in person to her bank - paperwork that they had both stored in a safety deposit box in Australia. Him thinking he could abandon her in the UK and strip all her assets then realising there's a glitch with the bank and actually needing Marion to return to do the thing. Marion realising at that point of course her name change and passport change had caused her a complication in transferring her own fund. So once she / he / they both realised that, it was necessary for Marion to nip back to Australia in person.

However, I would suggest that if she did that, as soon as she had provided the necessary paperwork in person to her bank, that is when she met her demise at RB's hands as no doubt the idea of travelling back again to Europe with her was really not something he wanted to do, probably he was feeling fed up at a tedious flaw in the plan. Once the ability to transfer funds had been sorted, that was the end of Marion. If that sort of thing happened, I don't think any of the withdrawals were Marion.

YES I agree with this!! Definitely!!

I think she must have done something initially at the bank so they were comfortable with allowing her’ account to be accessed going forward…

I definitely agree RB would NOT have wanted to endure another trip with her… he would have been exhausted with the ruse… and wanted her ‘sick’ so she abandoned the travel plans… but something went wrong and she didn’t recover... hiding someone in australia would be so much easier..so much space..

 

[Getro callum]

I think it wasn’t her after the first couple of transactions.

Sometimes smaller branches you have to organise before hand to get large sums out… I think because she possibly arrived back in a hurry and they wouldn’t do a big withdrawal on the spot or even that week.. they only allowed her to take the branch maximum for that day.. or something in her documentation prevented her from taking out more than 5k for security concerns..

The wire transfer 80k was stopped much later in sept I think this was RB trying to get the bulk out..getting impatient at his wife having to go in everyday..

Why MB didn’t wire transfer the whole lot? Perhaps she had clocked him and he knew the Barclays details (but she didn’t know he couldn’t get it) or maybe Barclays were so strict (they were when I was there) that she didn’t want the hassle (just in case) …

She may have only intended to get one or two lots of 5k out at all and RB just kept going & got the rest after he knew she was ‘gone.’

I think it’s definitely possible she said something to the teller/manager along the lines of I don’t want anyone to know I’m here etc I’m starting a new life (which she was) and all this unfortunatey clouded the waters for when she did actually disappear …

 

[Getro callum]

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also there is much more risk involved having someone killed/knowing someone was killed overseas and living the other side of the globe with no control over the remains…
He would have been much more in control and relaxed (to keep scamming) if he knew for sure where she lay/was hidden..

Just a thought…

It looks like he spends money easily, never has enough and when he gets it he doesn’t invest it wisely.. (ie student accommodation) in his head he is some big shot wealthy guy but in reality he never has 2cents to rub together… I can imagine he organised some decent hotel for her the first couple of nights & when it was obvious it would take longer he took her to some cheaper hotel like somewhere in Grafton. He would definitely know these kinds of places (before internet search help) off the top of his head… she slowly gets sicker.. visits a dr near the motel.. after death he is able to dispose of the body in any number of remote places.. all he needs is a car..

I hope the police have checked any real estate he or his children or wife still have/hold or have sold.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I'm still baffled as to what this story that came up about the plot of land with trees on it is - the one he had to put weedkiller on? Is that right? What is this place, it is real? Does anyone have info on it. Sorry if I've got a bit muddled up

 

[Getro callum]

IK was his 3rd wife. We don't know what happened to wife #1st and 2nd.

O.k.a.y…

Well I hope the police know what became of them..

 

[Getro callum]

M

I'm still baffled as to what this story that came up about the plot of land with trees on it is - the one he had to put weedkiller on? Is that right? What is this place, it is real? Does anyone have info on it. Sorry if I've got a bit muddled up

Maybe someone at lands & titles could search property by all his aliases..

 

[MrsWattle]

I'm still baffled as to what this story that came up about the plot of land with trees on it is - the one he had to put weedkiller on? Is that right? What is this place, it is real? Does anyone have info on it. Sorry if I've got a bit muddled up

I misheard his reply at the inquest and only heard he had a weed plantation.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I misheard his reply at the inquest and only heard he had a weed plantation.

LOL they could lock him up for that!

 

[VisitorDog]

Cash would also be a strange choice for someone flying out again too presumably. So again seems strange.

- The three days suggests needing to make a transaction - ie: actually Marion.

- The end result of many smaller transactions, the money left in the UK and her pension etc, and her never leaving Australia again - not Marion.

Those two things together equal bad news for her. Add in that those things occurred during her alleged relationship with a conman - and it’s not rocket science.

 

[BabeBlues]

It looks like he spends money easily, never has enough and when he gets it he doesn’t invest it wisely.. (ie student accommodation) in his head he is some big shot wealthy guy but in reality he never has 2cents to rub together… I can imagine he organised some decent hotel for her the first couple of nights & when it was obvious it would take longer he took her to some cheaper hotel like somewhere in Grafton. He would definitely know these kinds of places (before internet search help) off the top of his head… she slowly gets sicker.. visits a dr near the motel.. after death he is able to dispose of the body in any number of remote places.. all he needs is a car..

I hope the police have checked any real estate he or his children or wife still have/hold or have sold.

If she visited a doctor there would be a Medicare record just like the optometrist, which is the last Medicare record associated with Marion.