Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #16

[Getro callum]

Wondering then why she was taking out 500 at a time over weeks instead of closing it altogether....

Wasn’t it 5k out at a time?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Wasn’t it 5k out at a time?

It was stated as $5k at first and then reported as $500. I don't know which is the error but if the amount was $500, then that could have been ATM withdrawals.

 

[Getro callum]

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It was stated as $5k at first and then reported as $500. I don't know which is the error but if the amount was $500, then that could have been ATM withdrawals.

Theres no way the bulk of the house money could disappear if it was only 500 a day..

 

[Getro callum]

T

Theres no way the bulk of the house money could disappear if it was only 500 a day..

If it was just via atm it could have been any atm and no need for bank management/ security to be involved? It had to be 5k

 

[Getro callum]

If it was just via atm it could have been any atm and no need for bank management/ security to be involved? It had to be 5k

He said she came back to collect tea chests for a few weeks??! Mmm suggests he was privy to her trip home .(that was meant to be temporary)..

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It was stated as $5k at first and then reported as $500. I don't know which is the error but if the amount was $500, then that could have been ATM withdrawals.

I remember back then, needing to withdraw $1400 over the counter to pay my rates and I was told the daily limit was $1000.

Til then I didn't even know there was a limit
I presumed as the money was yours you could get out as much as you wanted, whenever you wanted to.

The rates were due that day.
Anyway I started to say make it $1000 and I'll get the $400 tomorrow.
They then said that it would be fine for me to get $1400 as they knew me as a regular.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

His testimony about teachests was picking up prior to departure not on return. If you listen to the inquests on YouTube you will hear it all

He said she came back to collect tea chests for a few weeks??! Mmm suggests he was privy to her trip home .(that was meant to be temporary)..

 

[Getro callum]

He said she came back to collect tea chests for a few weeks??! Mmm suggests he was privy to her trip home .(that was meant to be temporary)..

Marion staying with her friend before flying out suggests to me he was already overseas (weather true or not) & “waiting for her”.. this would make her speed up all her plans to get to him quickly to “start their life.”

..in her haste she may not have come with the correct documentation to purchase a “school” (ie withdraw large sum of money)… it would have raised many red flags in security conscious Barclays or her home bank in OZ..considering her name change was approx only 4 weeks ago..

I know in uk they needed address with IDs and the longer the established address the more “secure” the client is.. she would have been in quite the pickle with RB breathing down her neck to get it sorted…I could imagine he would have got extremely frustrated..

If she got back and their was an argument/confrontation I think it may well have been quite soon after returning..

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

It was

If it was just via atm it could have been any atm and no need for bank management/ security to be involved? It had to be 5k

$500 not $5k as per inquest. She did not have a card therefore had to withdraw via the bank not a machine

 

[Getro callum]

Marion staying with her friend before flying out suggests to me he was already overseas (weather true or not) & “waiting for her”.. this would make her speed up all her plans to get to him quickly to “start their life.”

..in her haste she may not have come with the correct documentation to purchase a “school” (ie withdraw large sum of money)… it would have raised many red flags in security conscious Barclays or her home bank in OZ..considering her name change was approx only 4 weeks ago..

I know in uk they needed address with IDs and the longer the established address the more “secure” the client is.. she would have been in quite the pickle with RB breathing down her neck to get it sorted…I could imagine he would have got extremely frustrated..

If she got back and their was an argument/confrontation I think it may well have been quite soon after returning..

Knowing the problems she may have encountered with Barclays.. and possible security alerts he may have known about this account but written it off as unattainable & not worth the risk..

 

[Getro callum]

W

It was

$500 not $5k as per inquest. She did not have a card therefore had to withdraw via the bank not a machine

wow okay…

 

[mishy66]

Marion staying with her friend before flying out suggests to me he was already overseas (weather true or not) & “waiting for her”.. this would make her speed up all her plans to get to him quickly to “start their life.”

..in her haste she may not have come with the correct documentation to purchase a “school” (ie withdraw large sum of money)… it would have raised many red flags in security conscious Barclays or her home bank in OZ..considering her name change was approx only 4 weeks ago..

I know in uk they needed address with IDs and the longer the established address the more “secure” the client is.. she would have been in quite the pickle with RB breathing down her neck to get it sorted…I could imagine he would have got extremely frustrated..

If she got back and their was an argument/confrontation I think it may well have been quite soon after returning..

Huh?

The TVPodcast and NSW inquest into MB which is on Youtube, would be a great place to start so you can gather some already known facts about the case.

 

[Getro callum]

His testimony about teachests was picking up prior to departure not on return. If you listen to the inquests on YouTube you will hear it all

But there could be truth in the “dropped off by removalists” to his garage and equal truth to the visit she made to collect (something in them)..

We have a large garage on a property and ppl are always leaving their bits here.. he could have offered to help her out initially.. I don’t think this is implausible..but (I doubt he would have given his address) but if he thought she was going to the other side of the world it’s possible…

If she did pop back to retrieve something (she could have got address from the removalist company or through the ‘old man’ she may have known or some other means..?) she certainly wasn’t a dim lady..)
She would most likely have discovered everything gone (binned most likely) and a person who was a complete fraud…

She would definitely ‘have to go’ as she knew his home adresss..

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I doubt very much that she or any of his victims knew where he lived.

 

[mishy66]

It was stated as $5k at first and then reported as $500. I don't know which is the error but if the amount was $500, then that could have been ATM withdrawals.

Wasn’t it 5k out at a time?

From SL this past week on MB FB page:

• • The tellebanker told me $5000 a day over 3.5 weeks in Byron Bay and a few days in the middle at Burleigh Heads on the Gold Coast was withdrawn.
    I’m firm I called the Commonweath bank.
    My grandfather’s notes (which I gave to NSW police after being sent these from my cousin the night before the podcast launched on April 1, 2019) says $500 but notes the colonial state bank (CS are going off his notes cause it’s written down opposed to my memory). However here are the following facts:
    1. I found my mum had her mortgage with Colonial & also gave this information to police (after I walked the streets of Ashmore and called numerous people I found the real estate lady who sold mums house and she happened to have kept all the paperwork (thank goodness) and it had mums bank account number for the deposit on there).
    2. We have documents showing she had a savings account and master card with the Commonweath whilst living at Merinda crt in Southport.
    I believe she had two banks and she asked me to put the money from the car into her savings account- hence Commonweath not her mortgage account (on the house she just sold) being colonial.
    3. When I called the bank the day after Owens birthday (19th October) this was 4 days AFTER the $80,000 was transferred yet the tellebanker lady never mentioned anything to me about the $80,000 in that call!
  • The $80,000 was transferred from her colonial bank account (the sale of her house money)
  • We interviewed two ex Commonweath bank managers who worked in the BB branch at the time and both described the internals of the bank exactly as I described - which to me confirms I went into the commonwealth bank.​
  • Ms Hazletts description is not the same, eg the location of the managers office​
  • I’ve never said $500 ever.​
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  So the upshot of all of this, as I see it, again VERY POOR investigating by the authorities into a missing person!​

 

[Getro callum]

I doubt very much that she or any of his victims knew where he lived.

That are alive to tell the tale anyway..

 

[mishy66]

But there could be truth in the “dropped off by removalists” to his garage and equal truth to the visit she made to collect (something in them)..

We have a large garage on a property and ppl are always leaving their bits here.. he could have offered to help her out initially.. I don’t think this is implausible..but (I doubt he would have given his address) but if he thought she was going to the other side of the world it’s possible…

If she did pop back to retrieve something (she could have got address from the removalist company or through the ‘old man’ she may have known or some other means..?) she certainly wasn’t a dim lady..)
She would most likely have discovered everything gone (binned most likely) and a person who was a complete fraud…

She would definitely ‘have to go’ as she knew his home adresss..

She never went to his address - it is all BS - he was justifying why it was that some of her things were at his house IF the police were to search it.
He helped her pack at her house and took some valuable things home with him " for safe keeping", and organised the shipping container.


HE would NEVER let any of his victims go to his house! He isnt going to risk his family or neighbours seeing another woman at his own home.

The podcast is a great way to gather facts known and what has already been unearthed.


IMO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

The thing about the cedars at Nymboida.
I was thinking that he was just big noting himself (as usual).
But what if he did have some "trees" somewhere, at least on paper.

I'm not sure if any plans were going back then, but there were schemes where the government paid you to grow trees on your property.

What if he took up an offer like that, but there was actually no property or trees.

Or would he have been too honest for something like that

 

[TootsieFootsie]

The podcast is a great way to gather facts known and what has already been unearthed.

And this thread here on Websleuths is a mine of information.

 

[Getro callum]

F

That are alive to tell the tale anyway..

From one lot of evidence given by RB:

Final time he saw Marion was when she turned up at his wollongbar home in June (obvious possible date change) with a man to collect some boxes he was storing for her..
Last time he saw her was “in my home”…