Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #16

[mishy66]

And this thread here on Websleuths is a mine of information.

Oh Yes @TootsieFootsie !!! <3 Goes without saying doesnt it lol.

So much has been unearthed right here, takes a village

 

[*juniper*]

I am re-posting a comment made in an earlier thread by @KiwiNZ, referring to a post on the MPMB facebook page, confirming Sally's belief that MB had 2 bank accounts.

"I just wanted to mention one thing that’s on the timeline; it states Chris and I went to Byron Bay on Wednesday the 22nd October 1997. This is only based on the cops event being written up on the 22.10.97. I disputed this during the inquest as Chris and I drove to Byron the very next day after speaking to Owen on the 19th October 97. So from my memory it should read 20.10.97 we drove to BB and reported concerns for her well-being, something was wrong.

One other thing I wanted to mention aswell.

We were able to find out that mum DID NOT sell her home in Gerringong for almost 12 months after buying the property at Merinda Crt in Southport. This means she had two properties in 1994/ 1995. I also want to mention that I have always claimed I called the commonwealth bank on the 19.10.97 and that the bank teller on the phone who I called only 4 DAYS AFTER THE $80,000 was transferred from mums account to another from the Colonial State bank branch in Ashmore on the Gold Coast on the 15th October 97, told me $5000 a day over approximately three and a half weeks had been withdrawn from my mums account at Byron Bay then in the middle three days from Burleigh Heads then back down in Byron. At no time did she mention Ashmore or $80,000 to me in that call. Which only confirms to me mum had two bank accounts. 1. With the Commonweath Bank (who we’d banked with my entire childhood) 2. With the Colonial State bank in Ashmore. My guess being we have the contract of sale of merinda crt and the bank account given on that states CSB that mum had a small mortgage with CSB. (I have more information that I’m not sure if I can share here yet- but I will when I can). That will give you all some clarity on exactly how much money my mum had. A lot!!"

 

[mishy66]

F

From one lot of evidence given by RB:

Final time he saw Marion was when she turned up at his wollongbar home in June (obvious possible date change) with a man to collect some boxes he was storing for her..
Last time he saw her was “in my home”…

He talks BS.


He is a criminal, has been all his life. His first crime back as a teen.

He is a crminal, makes up BS to suit his agenda.

 

[Getro callum]

She never went to his address - it is all BS - he was justifying why it was that some of her things were at his house IF the police were to search it.
He helped her pack at her house and took some valuable things home with him " for safe keeping", and organised the shipping container.


HE would NEVER let any of his victims go to his house! He isnt going to risk his family or neighbours seeing another woman at his own home.

The podcast is a great way to gather facts known and what has already been unearthed.


IMO

Not necessarily…he was always on the con, storing things for money or other dodgy activity can’t be ruled out.. I just don’t think he was that clever..he would have also had a lot of false confidence on not getting caught..

 

[Getro callum]

I am re-posting a comment made in an earlier thread by @KiwiNZ, referring to a post on the MPMB facebook page, confirming Sally's belief that MB had 2 bank accounts.

"I just wanted to mention one thing that’s on the timeline; it states Chris and I went to Byron Bay on Wednesday the 22nd October 1997. This is only based on the cops event being written up on the 22.10.97. I disputed this during the inquest as Chris and I drove to Byron the very next day after speaking to Owen on the 19th October 97. So from my memory it should read 20.10.97 we drove to BB and reported concerns for her well-being, something was wrong.

One other thing I wanted to mention aswell.

We were able to find out that mum DID NOT sell her home in Gerringong for almost 12 months after buying the property at Merinda Crt in Southport. This means she had two properties in 1994/ 1995. I also want to mention that I have always claimed I called the commonwealth bank on the 19.10.97 and that the bank teller on the phone who I called only 4 DAYS AFTER THE $80,000 was transferred from mums account to another from the Colonial State bank branch in Ashmore on the Gold Coast on the 15th October 97, told me $5000 a day over approximately three and a half weeks had been withdrawn from my mums account at Byron Bay then in the middle three days from Burleigh Heads then back down in Byron. At no time did she mention Ashmore or $80,000 to me in that call. Which only confirms to me mum had two bank accounts. 1. With the Commonweath Bank (who we’d banked with my entire childhood) 2. With the Colonial State bank in Ashmore. My guess being we have the contract of sale of merinda crt and the bank account given on that states CSB that mum had a small mortgage with CSB. (I have more information that I’m not sure if I can share here yet- but I will when I can). That will give you all some clarity on exactly how much money my mum had. A lot!!"

He must have thought he hit the jackpot

 

[Getro callum]

He talks BS.


He is a criminal, has been all his life. His first crime back as a teen.

He is a crminal, makes up BS to suit his agenda.

Obviously. But he would be in jail now if he wasn’t able to somehow keep track of his lies..which I’m trying to say are fabricated around loose truths…

 

[mishy66]

I am re-posting a comment made in an earlier thread by @KiwiNZ, referring to a post on the MPMB facebook page, confirming Sally's belief that MB had 2 bank accounts.

"I just wanted to mention one thing that’s on the timeline; it states Chris and I went to Byron Bay on Wednesday the 22nd October 1997. This is only based on the cops event being written up on the 22.10.97. I disputed this during the inquest as Chris and I drove to Byron the very next day after speaking to Owen on the 19th October 97. So from my memory it should read 20.10.97 we drove to BB and reported concerns for her well-being, something was wrong.

One other thing I wanted to mention aswell.

We were able to find out that mum DID NOT sell her home in Gerringong for almost 12 months after buying the property at Merinda Crt in Southport. This means she had two properties in 1994/ 1995. I also want to mention that I have always claimed I called the commonwealth bank on the 19.10.97 and that the bank teller on the phone who I called only 4 DAYS AFTER THE $80,000 was transferred from mums account to another from the Colonial State bank branch in Ashmore on the Gold Coast on the 15th October 97, told me $5000 a day over approximately three and a half weeks had been withdrawn from my mums account at Byron Bay then in the middle three days from Burleigh Heads then back down in Byron. At no time did she mention Ashmore or $80,000 to me in that call. Which only confirms to me mum had two bank accounts. 1. With the Commonweath Bank (who we’d banked with my entire childhood) 2. With the Colonial State bank in Ashmore. My guess being we have the contract of sale of merinda crt and the bank account given on that states CSB that mum had a small mortgage with CSB. (I have more information that I’m not sure if I can share here yet- but I will when I can). That will give you all some clarity on exactly how much money my mum had. A lot!!"

Yep, we have all worked over this and after this past weeks info from SL about the $500 withdrawals (and not the $5000 ones SL was told about) her dad took down when he first started investigating MB disappearance, it keeps showing just how INCOMPETENT the banks, police and other authorities were/ still are on MISSING PEOPLES CASES!

 

[Getro callum]

Obviously. But he would be in jail now if he wasn’t able to somehow keep track of his lies..which I’m trying to say are fabricated around loose truths…

The school, the belly dancing etc these are the ‘loose truths’ he embellishes, creating his fiction

 

[mishy66]

Obviously. But he would be in jail now if he wasn’t able to somehow keep track of his lies..which I’m trying to say are fabricated around loose truths…

Him not being jailed back in the 1960s shows how imcompetent the Australian Police, Border Control, Overseas authorities are.

 

[KiwiNZ]

I am back at the FN Remakel driver's license

I am wondering how they linked this NSW driver's license to RB, was it as simple as him admitting to it ? In 1997 we didn't have photos on our D/L so you couldn't ID him via that, did he use his actual address, (kind of dumb for a conman) How did he get it in the first place without any further ID ?

That brings me to why even admit he placed the ad ? As far as I can see they had nothing on him placing the add other than the link to the P/O box - just say it wasn't him - unless he used his real address on the D/L which would give 2 pieces of (flimsy IMO) evidence pointing towards him.

I feel like he has inserted himself into the case, when he could have probably avoided it all by just denying it ...

 

[*juniper*]

I am back at the FN Remakel driver's license

I am wondering how they linked this NSW driver's license to RB, was it as simple as him admitting to it ? In 1997 we didn't have photos on our D/L so you couldn't ID him via that, did he use his actual address, (kind of dumb for a conman) How did he get it in the first place without any further ID ?

That brings me to why even admit he placed the ad ? As far as I can see they had nothing on him placing the add other than the link to the P/O box - just say it wasn't him - unless he used his real address on the D/L which would give 2 pieces of (flimsy IMO) evidence pointing towards him.

I feel like he has inserted himself into the case, when he could have probably avoided it all by just denying it ...

The FN Remakel DL - good point. I have wondered if it was a Qld address that somehow linked back to RB?

As to the FNR ad - there were 2 contact options given in the ad. Either a PO Box in Lennox Head or a phone number - I believe the phone number was associated with Ballina Coins?

ETA - link to details of the ad from Le Courrier Australien:

‘Looking for love’ ad in Le Courrier Australien could solve 25yo Mystery - LCANews

A tiny personal advertisement placed in Le Courrier Australien in 1994 may hold the key to solving Australia’s most infamous missing person case. A new 7News.com.au podcast, titled The Lady Vanishes, has registered nearly three million listens and has ignited global interest in this baffling...

www.lcanews.com

 

[Getro callum]

I am back at the FN Remakel driver's license

I am wondering how they linked this NSW driver's license to RB, was it as simple as him admitting to it ? In 1997 we didn't have photos on our D/L so you couldn't ID him via that, did he use his actual address, (kind of dumb for a conman) How did he get it in the first place without any further ID ?

That brings me to why even admit he placed the ad ? As far as I can see they had nothing on him placing the add other than the link to the P/O box - just say it wasn't him - unless he used his real address on the D/L which would give 2 pieces of (flimsy IMO) evidence pointing towards him.

I feel like he has inserted himself into the case, when he could have probably avoided it all by just denying it ...

100% agree
He is no way as clever as everyone thinks he is… why admit to any of it ??? The holiday, the romances etc… he could have kept his mouth shut (if he was smart) most of it there is no actual proof of connection to him but he is stupid and a blagger and keeps tripping himself up on his lies..he really believes he has done nothing “really” wrong and is used to trying to talk himself out of sticky situations

…which points to an accident with Marion… and he draws of bits of truths when retelling his stories..Which is why I would forensically examine everything that comes from his mouth becouse he gives away much more than he thinks he does…

 

[Getro callum]

I

100% agree
He is no way as clever as everyone thinks he is… why admit to any of it ??? The holiday, the romances etc… he could have kept his mouth shut (if he was smart) most of it there is no actual proof of connection to him but he is stupid and a blagger and keeps tripping himself up on his lies..he really believes he has done nothing “really” wrong and is used to trying to talk himself out of sticky situations

…which points to an accident with Marion… and he draws of bits of truths when retelling his stories..Which is why I would forensically examine everything that comes from his mouth becouse he gives away much more than he thinks he does…

think it’s a mistake to
write everything off as bull+*>£

 

[Getro callum]

His testimony about teachests was picking up prior to departure not on return. If you listen to the inquests on YouTube you will hear it all

I realise that- but in retelling a version of events you draw on half truths to make it more believable

 

[Getro callum]

I am back at the FN Remakel driver's license

I am wondering how they linked this NSW driver's license to RB, was it as simple as him admitting to it ? In 1997 we didn't have photos on our D/L so you couldn't ID him via that, did he use his actual address, (kind of dumb for a conman) How did he get it in the first place without any further ID ?

That brings me to why even admit he placed the ad ? As far as I can see they had nothing on him placing the add other than the link to the P/O box - just say it wasn't him - unless he used his real address on the D/L which would give 2 pieces of (flimsy IMO) evidence pointing towards him.

I feel like he has inserted himself into the case, when he could have probably avoided it all by just denying it ...

I truly think if the police had the fortune of being able to talk to him near her disappearance he would have implicated himself and they would have got him on some kind of charge..

But I truly think the the police are not at fault for this -as I think I would have come to same conclusion becouse of the murky nature of her name change and return to OZ.

It was just a stroke of genius by the lady that found the remakel ad.. I think she should definitely get a medal of some sort.

 

[lrb66]

I am back at the FN Remakel driver's license

I am wondering how they linked this NSW driver's license to RB, was it as simple as him admitting to it ? In 1997 we didn't have photos on our D/L so you couldn't ID him via that, did he use his actual address, (kind of dumb for a conman) How did he get it in the first place without any further ID ?

That brings me to why even admit he placed the ad ? As far as I can see they had nothing on him placing the add other than the link to the P/O box - just say it wasn't him - unless he used his real address on the D/L which would give 2 pieces of (flimsy IMO) evidence pointing towards him.

I feel like he has inserted himself into the case, when he could have probably avoided it all by just denying it ...

Not sure if the case is the same in NSW and Queensland but in Victoria photos and addresses were on the licences at least since 1994 as I still have all my old ones in my wallet dating back to this time.
If photos weren’t mandatory at this time then there must of been an address to link him?

 

[chloborose]

I am so glad that that video has been made on youtube by Dark Curiosities, it has 300k views which is great in terms of the case reaching an international audience! Thought it would be worth some sleuthers investigating some of the commenters? Some of them are very insensitive and the mind wonders who could be commenting them ...

 

[KiwiNZ]

Not sure if the case is the same in NSW and Queensland but in Victoria photos and addresses were on the licences at least since 1994 as I still have all my old ones in my wallet dating back to this time.
If photos weren’t mandatory at this time then there must of been an address to link him?

yes your correct for Queensland, I can't find a history on NSW but I assume the same -

that would my blow my theory he couldn't be ID from the DL lol

 

[Liselle]

I still think that Marion may have figured out what was happening and rushed back, and was trying to get to her money before thingy did.

But why would MB bypass Brisbane and Ashmore (Gold Coast,Queensland) to do a lengthy round trip of at least 400kms, to withdraw her savings from Burleigh Heads, Queensland then Byron Bay, New South Wales? I presume MB (on her own) didn’t have access to a car and she wasn't in contact with family or friends to assist her with this extremely lengthy journey.

 

[mishy66]

But why would MB bypass Brisbane and Ashmore (Gold Coast,Queensland) to do a lengthy round trip of at least 400kms, to withdraw her savings from Burleigh Heads, Queensland then Byron Bay, New South Wales? I presume MB (on her own) didn’t have access to a car and she wasn't in contact with family or friends to assist her with this extremely lengthy journey.

Exactly.