Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #16

[TootsieFootsie]

I feel like he has inserted himself into the case, when he could have probably avoided it all by just denying it ...

Yes I don't really understand why he admitted to knowing Marion when I don't think he had to admit to anything,

It seems to me that if he denied knowing Marion they can't prove that he did.

Unless he likes being the centre of attention and enjoys playing cat and mouse with the police.

 

[insanity]

Yes I don't really understand why he admitted to knowing Marion when I don't think he had to admit to anything,

It seems to me that if he denied knowing Marion they can't prove that he did.

Unless he likes being the centre of attention and enjoys playing cat and mouse with the police.

My feeling is he is concerned he can be linked to Marion in some way.

 

[lrb66]

Yes I don't really understand why he admitted to knowing Marion when I don't think he had to admit to anything,

It seems to me that if he denied knowing Marion they can't prove that he did.

Unless he likes being the centre of attention and enjoys playing cat and mouse with the police.

I think he remains unidentified only if there are many FN Remakels in Australia.
We know there was only one one the world that age and he ‘loaned’ his identity with subtle changes.
If there were another story which I am sure he would spin!
As we all know that isn’t the case
Once the police linked him to this name they found all the other aliases and some of his history of deception.
They also linked the real Remakels ex wife to him.
Impossible to deny also

 

[Podcast Tragic]

I am just wondering if there would be anything in place to prevent RB from disappearing ???

 

[mishy66]

My feeling is he is concerned he can be linked to Marion in some way.

Yes like when SL saw Marion and 'a very tall man' in her car at the servo for one...

 

[mishy66]

I am just wondering if there would be anything in place to prevent RB from disappearing ???

Well he can't fly anywhere, so unless he 'disappears' at the hands of someone else....I think it is safe to assume he will be here for the next installment.... hopefully a trial!

 

[lrb66]

I find it interesting that RB admits to knowing Marion but denies knowing about her name change to Florabella Natalia Marion Remakel. I think somewhere in Europe in 1997 lies a trail of “The fake Remakels” registration whilst travelling.
IMO

 

[KiwiNZ]

Yes I don't really understand why he admitted to knowing Marion when I don't think he had to admit to anything,

It seems to me that if he denied knowing Marion they can't prove that he did.

Unless he likes being the centre of attention and enjoys playing cat and mouse with the police.

Agree - I think he likes the attention, can talk himself out of it, front foots things, so he looks like he has nothing to hide, I think that it's probably part of his modus operandi when conning women as well, address it before they address it with you so you come across as honest and nothing to hide .... a run of the mill criminal would just say "I know nothing"

It didn't work for him this time .. shoved himself right in it!

 

[KiwiNZ]

I think he remains unidentified only if there are many FN Remakels in Australia.
We know there was only one one the world that age and he ‘loaned’ his identity with subtle changes.
If there were another story which I am sure he would spin!
As we all know that isn’t the case
Once the police linked him to this name they found all the other aliases and some of his history of deception.
They also linked the real Remakels ex wife to him.
Impossible to deny also

None of this links him to Marion, it only confirms he stole someone's identity that he used in the 90's

The ex-wife really means nothing - it only links the story of identity theft to him not to Marion disappearing

A standard criminal would say I have no idea who Marion is and they would have had a hard job linking them, they still can't link him to Marion (only coincidences), he gave them the only solid link by admitting he knew her and had met her, why ? he didn't need to lol

 

[TootsieFootsie]

A standard criminal would say I have no idea who Marion is and they would have had a hard job linking them, they still can't link him to Marion (only coincidences), he gave them the only solid link by admitting he knew her and had met her, why ? he didn't need to lol

Maybe the police said something like, "we have evidence that you knew Marion Barter", without saying what that evidence was. So he lost his nerve.

 

[Belleandsebastian]

Personally I think they could have met through Marion's love of antiques. He knew about JO through her husband being involved in coins and he sought her out. Maybe he met Marion at an antique show or knew about her through those circles. He knew she had valuable antiques at her house and that she was single and that's all he needed to know to set her in his sights.

 

[KiwiNZ]

what really bugs me is the crime stopper tip - they linked the phone number to a house in Armidale - I don't know if the tip was related to MB I don't really have an opinion on that - but people don't break into your house to call crime stoppers, it had to be someone in the house. Most people would use a telephone box to remain completely anonymous ... I hope they have gone back to those people to see if anyone in that home (or related to the people in that home) has a link to RB

 

[lrb66]

None of this links him to Marion, it only confirms he stole someone's identity that he used in the 90's

The ex-wife really means nothing - it only links the story of identity theft to him not to Marion disappearing

A standard criminal would say I have no idea who Marion is and they would have had a hard job linking them, they still can't link him to Marion (only coincidences), he gave them the only solid link by admitting he knew her and had met her, why ? he didn't need to lol

The link was the use of a very unusual name and initials by both of them only in Australia uniquely coupled with his history of defrauding women. IMO
I find it interesting he denies knowing about her name change but he admits knowing Marion.

 

[mishy66]

Maybe the police said something like, "we have evidence that you knew Marion Barter", without saying what that evidence was. So he lost his nerve.

Yes @TootsieFootsie that and he wouldnt have known at the time that SL didn't really get a good look at ' the tall man' in MB car. He wouldnt have known that back then so that could be another reason why he was covering his tracks.

OR someone who knew Marion saw him with her... ?

 

[*juniper*]

None of this links him to Marion, it only confirms he stole someone's identity that he used in the 90's

The ex-wife really means nothing - it only links the story of identity theft to him not to Marion disappearing

A standard criminal would say I have no idea who Marion is and they would have had a hard job linking them, they still can't link him to Marion (only coincidences), he gave them the only solid link by admitting he knew her and had met her, why ? he didn't need to lol

Is the 'Looking for Love' ad placed in LCA, giving a phone number associated with Ballina Coins (a business set up by RB just before the ad was placed), sufficent to link RB to MB? Then there is also the Lennox Heads PO box number given in the ad, which can probably be traced back to him.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

what really bugs me is the crime stopper tip - they linked the phone number to a house in Armidale - I don't know if the tip was related to MB I don't really have an opinion on that - but people don't break into your house to call crime stoppers, it had to be someone in the house. Most people would use a telephone box to remain completely anonymous ... I hope they have gone back to those people to see if anyone in that home (or related to the people in that home) has a link to RB

That's right. I recall it was an older couple who were ruled out as knowing anything about the call.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

The link was the use of a very unusual name and initials by both of them only in Australia uniquely coupled with his history of defrauding women. IMO

Who's to say that Marion didn't know about the Remakel name through the world of soccer that she had once married into.

Even a rare name is not evidence that it's a slam dunk that it was anything to do with RB.
Something scared RB into admitting he had known Marion and I don't think it was because of the Remakel name.

My guess is he had kept something of hers. Maybe he took photos

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Personally I think they could have met through Marion's love of antiques. He knew about JO through her husband being involved in coins and he sought her out. Maybe he met Marion at an antique show or knew about her through those circles. He knew she had valuable antiques at her house and that she was single and that's all he needed to know to set her in his sights.

I wonder if Marion ever tried to sell any of her antiques ?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Only 15 days now to the Coroners findings. 30th November.

 

[Brown Alleycat]

2 women that we know of, associated with RB, had liver functioning tests
Marion Barter and Ghislaine Danlois

IK died of myocardial ischemia as per her death cert.

Three forms of phosphorus are available – white, red, and black. “Yellow phosphorus” (YP) is formed by a small amount of red phosphorus resulting discoloration of white phosphorus. YP is a general protoplasmic toxin and is used in the manufacture of fireworks, rodenticide, and fertilizers.

( RB stated he returned to Aust for a few days for weed eradication on his property..........yeah right)


Rodenticides are available as powders or pastes containing 2%–5% of YP.

The estimated dose of YP that is lethal to the liver is 1 mg/kg, and the ingestion of that amount results in death due to acute liver failure and cardiovascular collapse.


The only definitive treatment for acute liver failure due to the ingestion of YP is liver transplantation because no antidote or medical treatment is available to reverse the toxic effects on the liver.

Most deaths occur within 36 hours, reportedly secondary to “peripheral vascular collapse,” “cardiac arrest,” and “cardiac failure.



It has also been clarified that MR is not an alias of RB - MBFB page
This is so interesting ! More Qs than answers with that one.

I find IK's death a little suspicious as it didn't appear that she had any previous heart condition and she died at such a young age. I did note as well that myocardial ischemia can be the cause of poisoning. I hope the police are looking into this death given her association with RB. So sad that she lies in an unmarked grave.